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Post by Bagheera on Mar 12, 2024 22:23:12 GMT
That was poor. Scene was set by a terrible first period followed by two periods of huffing and puffing. Only line that looked vaguely dangerous was the top line, the rest were anonymous. The line looked all wrong. Since Michaud and then Neilson got injured the lines look completely disjointed and lacking chemistry and it’s affecting individual performances too. Lunsjo was on fire with Michaud and Neilson and then with Henbrant too but now looks lost and anonymous. Also, why would you have Michaud and Paré on the same line and have Michaud take the face-offs?! Agreed entirely. I sat there all night just not liking the lines behind the top one. Lemay, Luciani, Welsh just felt all wrong too. Not easy with all the ins and outs, but tonight wasn't right at all. |
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Post by John Casey on Mar 12, 2024 22:33:18 GMT
Honking performance. There are contributing factors with top pair D out, 3rd game in 4 days after that terrible road trip, players in and out messing with lines, but not even all that should've resulted in a performance that bad. Rok showed exactly why he cant be retained next year. Too many freebies given away. Even at his best he can let one of those in at any time. It would be unfair to lay the blame for that result at his feet though. A few minutes left in a one goal game and you are looking to put pressure on you simply cannot have an error like that from him either. We were looking threatening at last, we had half a sniff & that mistake took it all away. As I mentioned before, there was a lot of contributing factors that didn't help, but it arguably looked like something may have gone on behind closed doors it was that bad. Oh, and plan B!! Pare has been good of late, however he was really needed to get somethimg going tonight. Ideally sooner, but at very least he should've been flying around throwing hits and looking for a scrap to start the 3rd. That's exactly the type of performance you need your fighter to bring something different. If Pare started throwing big hits, then probably the Official's arms will suddenly go upright rather quickly. Didn't think they appreciated getting booed off the ice at the end of the 2nd |
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Post by DMS on Mar 12, 2024 22:33:44 GMT
The complete lack of urgency we displayed in what was a must win game was so disappointing, absolutely not near the compete levels we have shown.
Been a while since I’ve left the rink with such a sense of dejection.
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Post by John Casey on Mar 12, 2024 22:37:27 GMT
I agree with the sentiments but I also believe we saw a team with only one period in them, they didn't have the energy after the 2 games at the weekend.
There was no Plan B attacking wise, it was virtually the same and you wasn't beating Owen like that. Should've put a body in front of him and screened him.
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Post by Higgy on Mar 12, 2024 22:38:07 GMT
Wow that was bad
Worst performance I've seen at home this season, looked a complete mess for most of it,disjointed,unable to pass and I lost count of the times our guys just fell over (Ryzek about 4 times).
We badly missed Neill and Caruso, just someone to bring the puck out the zone smoothly,the remaining D struggled with it all game. If they are long term and potentially season ending we are screwed.
8th looks to be out of reach now baring a miracle.
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 22:39:24 GMT
Honking performance. There are contributing factors with top pair D out, 3rd game in 4 days after that terrible road trip, players in and out messing with lines, but not even all that should've resulted in a performance that bad. Rok showed exactly why he cant be retained next year. Too many freebies given away. Even at his best he can let one of those in at any time. It would be unfair to lay the blame for that result at his feet though. A few minutes left in a one goal game and you are looking to put pressure on you simply cannot have an error like that from him either. We were looking threatening at last, we had half a sniff & that mistake took it all away. As I mentioned before, there was a lot of contributing factors that didn't help, but it arguably looked like something may have gone on behind closed doors it was that bad. Oh, and plan B!! Pare has been good of late, however he was really needed to get somethimg going tonight. Ideally sooner, but at very least he should've been flying around throwing hits and looking for a scrap to start the 3rd. That's exactly the type of performance you need your fighter to bring something different. If Pare started throwing big hits, then probably the Official's arms will suddenly go upright rather quickly. Didn't think they appreciated getting booed off the ice at the end of the 2nd The officials deserved that boo. Utterly clueless for both sides. The body check that laid Tetlow out was an absolute beauty of a hit and got called for elbows even though the replay showed his elbows tucked right into his body. Then missing the most obvious cross check against the boards at the end of the second was laughable |
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 12, 2024 22:39:56 GMT
Honking performance. There are contributing factors with top pair D out, 3rd game in 4 days after that terrible road trip, players in and out messing with lines, but not even all that should've resulted in a performance that bad. Rok showed exactly why he cant be retained next year. Too many freebies given away. Even at his best he can let one of those in at any time. It would be unfair to lay the blame for that result at his feet though. A few minutes left in a one goal game and you are looking to put pressure on you simply cannot have an error like that from him either. We were looking threatening at last, we had half a sniff & that mistake took it all away. As I mentioned before, there was a lot of contributing factors that didn't help, but it arguably looked like something may have gone on behind closed doors it was that bad. Oh, and plan B!! Pare has been good of late, however he was really needed to get somethimg going tonight. Ideally sooner, but at very least he should've been flying around throwing hits and looking for a scrap to start the 3rd. That's exactly the type of performance you need your fighter to bring something different. If Pare started throwing big hits, then probably the Official's arms will suddenly go upright rather quickly. Didn't think they appreciated getting booed off the ice at the end of the 2nd That call on the Fife player for the hit on Tetlow was probably the worst call or non of the night. Think they missed 2 or 3 we should've had tonight, but im not sure PPs help us at the minute. The only time we looked worse than in the 1st psriod was on the PP we had. |
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Post by John Casey on Mar 12, 2024 22:41:30 GMT
If Pare started throwing big hits, then probably the Official's arms will suddenly go upright rather quickly. Didn't think they appreciated getting booed off the ice at the end of the 2nd The officials deserved that boo. Utterly clueless for both sides. The body check that laid Tetlow out was an absolute beauty of a hit and got called for elbows even though the replay showed his elbows tucked right into his body. Then missing the most obvious cross check against the boards at the end of the second was laughable That's the problem, you don't know what they are going to call. At 2-1 down, you couldn't risk getting any Penalties |
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 22:42:59 GMT
I agree with the sentiments but I also believe we saw a team with only one period in them, they didn't have the energy after the 2 games at the weekend. There was no Plan B attacking wise, it was virtually the same and you wasn't beating Owen like that. Should've put a body in front of him and screened him. If they only had the energy for 1 period you’d expect that to in the 1st period not the 3rd |
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Post by float on Mar 12, 2024 23:09:58 GMT
I’ve not once questioned any of the players on this years roster, even during that long losing streak, I never felt there were any players not pulling their weight or performing (other than Farley and he was released). But tonight is the first time I came away annoyed and frustrated about some of the performances from those mentioned above. All teams are due bad games and bad performances, it’s a shame that it’s the biggest game of the season that they’ve chosen to do it on though. Massive effort needed now (and some luck) if we’re gonna get 8th. The fact Dundee and fife play each other twice in the last weekend of the season is making it more difficult for sure.
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Post by iginla on Mar 12, 2024 23:18:54 GMT
The complete lack of urgency we displayed in what was a must win game was so disappointing, absolutely not near the compete levels we have shown. Been a while since I’ve left the rink with such a sense of dejection. Comes from the coach that I’m afraid. Post match interview….Paredes absolutely clueless again,he says exactly the same thing after every defeat ! 🙄 |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 12, 2024 23:21:20 GMT
I’ve not once questioned any of the players on this years roster, even during that long losing streak, I never felt there were any players not pulling their weight or performing (other than Farley and he was released). But tonight is the first time I came away annoyed and frustrated about some of the performances from those mentioned above. All teams are due bad games and bad performances, it’s a shame that it’s the biggest game of the season that they’ve chosen to do it on though. Massive effort needed now (and some luck) if we’re gonna get 8th. The fact Dundee and fife play each other twice in the last weekend of the season is making it more difficult for sure. To be fair Panthers are not in tenth place by fluke. There are a few good players on the roster but that doesn’t make a team. I think the Panthers have punched above their weight in a few games lately but tenth place is there for a reason unfortunately. I don’t question effort with them but when the chips are down it’s a struggle |
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Post by yeti on Mar 12, 2024 23:22:34 GMT
That was truly shocking. Ok we have had a tough weekend travel wise but Fife played at the weekend and travelled down today with a short bench.
I said before the game we would be ok if the forward lines worked well. Which they didn't. Not sure if it was the coaching or the players but the moment they saw Fife's short bench they should of come out flying with the forwards forechecking. Instead they came out flat.
Owen also always plays well in our barn. By not coming out forechecking and getting lots of shots on him early we allowed him to turn in one of his good performances. Especially with some really good saves in the third when we eventually decided to have a few shots on him.
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Post by barmysharmy55 on Mar 12, 2024 23:35:09 GMT
If we swapped netminders tonight, we would have won that game.
I must have said that about 15 to 20 times this season.
Other teams netminders keep them in the game.
Ours constantly lets us down.
Roll on next season.
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 23:37:31 GMT
Can’t not turn up for 2 periods and expect to turn it round in the 3rd and get something out of the game. Should have been more that 1 behind after the first. Second period tighter, but no real quality. Peppered their goal in the 3rd, but still didn’t look like beating him and nothing dropped for us. Defensively, we are awful. McGurty poor as well as Ryczek and the others. Rok clanger for their 3rd, but not to blame for their first two. Both from close rage with no protection. Time to start making plans for next year and deciding who to keep. There is a core to be kept from this team but there are too many passengers. You aren’t winning anything if you’ve got 3 import forwards contributing 1 point or fewer in 4 every games like Anderson, Welsh and Pare |
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Post by wgray on Mar 12, 2024 23:44:19 GMT
Very, very disappointing tonight. Severely missed Caruso and Neill at the back if only to take some pressure off the other dmen. We looked and played as though it was our 3rd game in 4 nights.
Others have mentioned the line combinations and how ineffective they were, which I’d have to agree with. We were so poor and disjointed in transition.
It’s a real shame we’ve not managed to capitalise tonight, the team and club deserves something positive out of this season. It’s not over yet but we have to win on Friday and it needs to be in regulation
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Post by wgray on Mar 12, 2024 23:46:20 GMT
Also, I’ve mentioned on here we needed Rok to come up big in the run-in and unfortunately tonight he didn’t keep us in it
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 12, 2024 23:56:40 GMT
Also, I’ve mentioned on here we needed Rok to come up big in the run-in and unfortunately tonight he didn’t keep us in it Because he just isn’t good enough to be able to do so |
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Post by EMB on Mar 12, 2024 23:59:33 GMT
I hear a rumour in the stands that Neill has a broken hand.? They are also waiting on Logan, from where we sat it looked like he also was wearing a black splint on his left hand. I’d be very surprised if we see any of this team back next season and that includes The coach and a lot of that is to do with Adam.
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Post by finnmccool on Mar 13, 2024 0:17:17 GMT
Can’t not turn up for 2 periods and expect to turn it round in the 3rd and get something out of the game. Should have been more that 1 behind after the first. Second period tighter, but no real quality. Peppered their goal in the 3rd, but still didn’t look like beating him and nothing dropped for us. Defensively, we are awful. McGurty poor as well as Ryczek and the others. Rok clanger for their 3rd, but not to blame for their first two. Both from close rage with no protection. Time to start making plans for next year and deciding who to keep. When a team allows 15 shots on net and three go in, generally that doesn't qualify as "awful" defence, notwithstanding Fife's effective cycling, especially in the first. That control was not helpful in terms of our attack, but they were unable to get many dangerous shots off. As for their goals, the first came after a puck glanced off a defenceman's skate - effectively a blocked shot - and stopped cold in front of the crease as if it was put on a tee for Fife to blast it past the goalie. It happens, but that's not "awful" defence. The second goal was a slick play by Fife, no argument. And the third, well, certainly that was not the result of "awful" D, I hope everyone would agree. Hey, this loss was frustrating, to say the least, and if a bit of hyperbole helps ease the pain, by all means go for it. |
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 13, 2024 6:54:59 GMT
That was truly shocking. Ok we have had a tough weekend travel wise but Fife played at the weekend and travelled down today with a short bench. I said before the game we would be ok if the forward lines worked well. Which they didn't. Not sure if it was the coaching or the players but the moment they saw Fife's short bench they should of come out flying with the forwards forechecking. Instead they came out flat. Owen also always plays well in our barn. By not coming out forechecking and getting lots of shots on him early we allowed him to turn in one of his good performances. Especially with some really good saves in the third when we eventually decided to have a few shots on him. Fife played 1 game Saturday. Compared to Panthers stupid away trip. Having just looked it was also Panthers 6th game in 11 days. Finishing that with 3 in 4 is going to have a big impact, aswell as the issues with injured players. I've already said the performance was woeful and it was, but there is more to it than them just showing up and being garbage. It had been suggested somewhere that the schedule may be a big barrier to this push for the play offs and I think we are seeing that now. We all know why it's like it is, it for the most part cant be helped. Perhaps one man could be doing a little more to lighten the load regards travel and rest at least. |
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Post by awooga on Mar 13, 2024 7:19:41 GMT
Can’t not turn up for 2 periods and expect to turn it round in the 3rd and get something out of the game. Should have been more that 1 behind after the first. Second period tighter, but no real quality. Peppered their goal in the 3rd, but still didn’t look like beating him and nothing dropped for us. Defensively, we are awful. McGurty poor as well as Ryczek and the others. Rok clanger for their 3rd, but not to blame for their first two. Both from close rage with no protection. Time to start making plans for next year and deciding who to keep. When a team allows 15 shots on net and three go in, generally that doesn't qualify as "awful" defence, notwithstanding Fife's effective cycling, especially in the first. That control was not helpful in terms of our attack, but they were unable to get many dangerous shots off. As for their goals, the first came after a puck glanced off a defenceman's skate - effectively a blocked shot - and stopped cold in front of the crease as if it was put on a tee for Fife to blast it past the goalie. It happens, but that's not "awful" defence. The second goal was a slick play by Fife, no argument. And the third, well, certainly that was not the result of "awful" D, I hope everyone would agree. Hey, this loss was frustrating, to say the least, and if a bit of hyperbole helps ease the pain, by all means go for it. Stand by the comment of defensively being awful. Especially in the 1st, how many times did we simply gift them the puck in our defensive zone? The fact that they spawned so many gifts doesn’t make the defence any good. It’s not just this game though. We can’t go away without conceding at least 5. Not that any of this matters now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 7:33:45 GMT
Stand by the comment of defensively being awful. Especially in the 1st, how many times did we simply gift them the puck in our defensive zone? The fact that they spawned so many gifts doesn’t make the defence any good. It’s not just this game though. We can’t go away without conceding at least 5. Not that any of this matters now. Didn't I say weeks ago no team does defensive turnovers as frequent as panthers 😉 |
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Post by pantherlee on Mar 13, 2024 7:45:32 GMT
Stand by the comment of defensively being awful. Especially in the 1st, how many times did we simply gift them the puck in our defensive zone? The fact that they spawned so many gifts doesn’t make the defence any good. It’s not just this game though. We can’t go away without conceding at least 5. Not that any of this matters now. Yep. Flyers being bad doesn’t mean we were good. Defence was terrible. Playing 5D was a big mistake. No partnerships just throw out the two least tired players. No one seemed to know what they were doing. I don’t really like him as a defenceman but Kelsall should have played D just to keep lines settled. |
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Post by Robbie Nud on Mar 13, 2024 7:47:13 GMT
We were bloody awful last night, more giveaways than a foodbank. The first goal, the puck st in front of net and no-one went for until the fife player picked it up and had time to choose his spot with no pressure.
Having 5 D cost us, with rolling different conbinations all game, it would have been better to drop Kelsall back, at least then there would have been three pairings, and tbh Kelsall is not doing a lot up front.
Lots of huffing and puffing but no passion or busting a gut until the 3rd and by that time it was getting desperate.
Will we make the playoffs, there is s chance and the happy clappers will see that as a success, but after last nights performance we dont deserve it.
As for next season, who will come back or we want back; there are some, but we need a better balance of players and we are going to be starting again with a new coach.
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