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Post by Spooks on Jan 22, 2024 21:33:00 GMT
Its also boring hockey to watch currently. Your better off driving a hr to Coventry.
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Post by iginla on Jan 22, 2024 21:45:14 GMT
Its also boring hockey to watch currently. Your better off driving a hr to Coventry. No characters left anymore and signing 5’9 players does nowt towards creating much excitement. Gone are the days in Nottingham of powerful guys the likes of Craighead,Wilson, Salters or Bergin. Those were the good old days of power forwards like those four when you saw some spite in games and never knew what was going to happen next.
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Post by Higgy on Jan 22, 2024 23:25:32 GMT
Its also boring hockey to watch currently. Your better off driving a hr to Coventry. To be fair I disagree it's boring.. yes we aren't scoring but the hockey is generally quick and has a high degree of intensity. Most of our games this season have been similar. The previous two seasons were so dull and slow to watch in comparison. The league in general seems to be being played at a much higher tempo this season,Giants and Storm for such big teams are surprisingly quick.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 23, 2024 0:49:57 GMT
Rubbish recruiting of a whole list of no-hope has beens. That’s why Belfast and Sheffield are so far ahead of the Panthers in the league Pasha would need a telescope to see them. The new gold standard by Armatige Shanks without the flush Surely that comes down to NB though and how much he gives us to spend? No way have Sheffield spent the same as us this season Pasha said when he gave Paredes the job that he was good at building a team with a small budget but to be fair to NB before the October tragedy the Panthers didn’t look a cheap team. Sheffield and even more so Belfast have spent more but they have signed balanced teams with quality players. North American style ‘teams’, size, grit, strength, and goals. EIHL winning teams where as whoever recruited the Panthers has just signed a whole bunch of good players but all out of the same mould with no balance at all. A team that would work in the French league.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 23, 2024 0:54:59 GMT
Surely that comes down to NB though and how much he gives us to spend? No way have Sheffield spent the same as us this season Well we’re repeatedly told that we’re spending to the cap, so either that’s a lie or Sheffield are overspending and nothing about the Steelers screams sticklers for the rules There is no spending cap. It was said months ago that teams could spend “what they can afford”. Sheffield got £20,000 for the 50/50 a few weeks back and both Sheffield and Belfast are pretty much selling out every game. The wage cap story was an excuse not to spend more than an owner wanted and there is no wage cap.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 23, 2024 1:04:39 GMT
Rubbish recruiting of a whole list of no-hope has beens. That’s why Belfast and Sheffield are so far ahead of the Panthers in the league Pasha would need a telescope to see them. The new gold standard by Armatige Shanks without the flush Surely that comes down to NB though and how much he gives us to spend? No way have Sheffield spent the same as us this season Wallace Doucet Graham Pasha That’s where it’s gone wrong. I think the budget this year was fine. Doesn’t matter how much you spend if you have the wrong people spending it. That certainly is NB’s fault. Wallace and Doucet were useless, Graham was a fantasist and Pasha was unproven before he went to the Panthers and has done nothing since.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2024 7:10:20 GMT
Surely that comes down to NB though and how much he gives us to spend? No way have Sheffield spent the same as us this season Wallace Doucet Graham Pasha That’s where it’s gone wrong. I think the budget this year was fine. Doesn’t matter how much you spend if you have the wrong people spending it. That certainly is NB’s fault. Wallace and Doucet were useless, Graham was a fantasist and Pasha was unproven before he went to the Panthers and has done nothing since. Nail on head.. if you have crap recruiters there's no point. That is something fox is good at even though I don't rate him as a coach.. every now and then the quality of your players pull you through
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 23, 2024 7:21:49 GMT
Wallace Doucet Graham Pasha That’s where it’s gone wrong. I think the budget this year was fine. Doesn’t matter how much you spend if you have the wrong people spending it. That certainly is NB’s fault. Wallace and Doucet were useless, Graham was a fantasist and Pasha was unproven before he went to the Panthers and has done nothing since. Nail on head.. if you have crap recruiters there's no point. That is something fox is good at even though I don't rate him as a coach.. every now and then the quality of your players pull you through Fox Keefe Dixon All excellent at spending the budget and brining players in
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Post by iginla on Jan 23, 2024 7:52:49 GMT
Well we’re repeatedly told that we’re spending to the cap, so either that’s a lie or Sheffield are overspending and nothing about the Steelers screams sticklers for the rules There is no spending cap. It was said months ago that teams could spend “what they can afford”. Sheffield got £20,000 for the 50/50 a few weeks back and both Sheffield and Belfast are pretty much selling out every game. The wage cap story was an excuse not to spend more than an owner wanted and there is no wage cap. Do wish the powers that be would make their mind up on the wage cap. First there is one,then there isn’t,then Kelman states a couple of years ago there is and exactly what level it is,then some teams seem to blatantly ignore it whilst Doucet and Pacha say there is a cap and that Panthers are spending to it and yet now supposedly you can spend what you like. No wonder fans get naffed off !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 23, 2024 8:45:30 GMT
There is no spending cap. It was said months ago that teams could spend “what they can afford”. Sheffield got £20,000 for the 50/50 a few weeks back and both Sheffield and Belfast are pretty much selling out every game. The wage cap story was an excuse not to spend more than an owner wanted and there is no wage cap. Do wish the powers that be would make their mind up on the wage cap. First there is one,then there isn’t,then Kelman states a couple of years ago there is and exactly what level it is,then some teams seem to blatantly ignore it whilst Doucet and Pacha say there is a cap and that Panthers are spending to it and yet now supposedly you can spend what you like. No wonder fans get naffed off ! They realize that getting beat every week naffs the fans off a lot more
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Post by iginla on Jan 23, 2024 9:01:00 GMT
Do wish the powers that be would make their mind up on the wage cap. First there is one,then there isn’t,then Kelman states a couple of years ago there is and exactly what level it is,then some teams seem to blatantly ignore it whilst Doucet and Pacha say there is a cap and that Panthers are spending to it and yet now supposedly you can spend what you like. No wonder fans get naffed off ! They realize that getting beat every week naffs the fans off a lot more The whole EIHL needs to get its act together. As far as I can see the “wage cap”, or breaking of it if there actually is one is just a nice convenient excuse used by fans and officials of teams who constantly underperform to try and justify their own teams shortcomings.
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Post by jd on Jan 23, 2024 11:02:42 GMT
Nail on head.. if you have crap recruiters there's no point. That is something fox is good at even though I don't rate him as a coach.. every now and then the quality of your players pull you through Fox Keefe Dixon All excellent at spending the budget and brining players in True plus they’ve had time and have learned from errors. Not saying we shouldn’t remove OP but we can’t keep changing things every 18-24 months. I don’t know what the club does next, JP clearly isn’t in a good place, others too I bet. If we let OP go, JP goes, then who comes in? It’s starting all over again, then if we have another poor season, do we start over again? I’m just so fed up with it all
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 23, 2024 11:06:19 GMT
Fox Keefe Dixon All excellent at spending the budget and brining players in True plus they’ve had time and have learned from errors. Not saying we shouldn’t remove OP but we can’t keep changing things every 18-24 months. I don’t know what the club does next, JP clearly isn’t in a good place, others too I bet. If we let OP go, JP goes, then who comes in? It’s starting all over again, then if we have another poor season, do we start over again? I’m just so fed up with it all I’m just not convinced that Pasha is the right guy if he’s involved with recruiting and if he’s not then Paredes certainly isn’t. Stick with him/them and it’s a fingers crossed job
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2024 11:09:18 GMT
Black needs to sign a coach who has good contacts and is a good recruiter.. not someone who is used to working with a budget roster
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Post by sevcik on Jan 23, 2024 11:33:22 GMT
True plus they’ve had time and have learned from errors. Not saying we shouldn’t remove OP but we can’t keep changing things every 18-24 months. I don’t know what the club does next, JP clearly isn’t in a good place, others too I bet. If we let OP go, JP goes, then who comes in? It’s starting all over again, then if we have another poor season, do we start over again? I’m just so fed up with it all I’m just not convinced that Pasha is the right guy if he’s involved with recruiting and if he’s not then Paredes certainly isn’t. Stick with him/them and it’s a fingers crossed job Pacha is the main recruiter of players for the team. He has admitted it in each of the past 2 off seasons. This past summer he said he was recruiting 'in consultation' with Paredes Given how long Pacha has been in this league, not just here but Dundee and Hull he should know exactly the make up/type of team that will at least be very competitive in the EIHL It's not like he has only been in the country 1 season. I agree we can't keep starting afresh with new coaches and or Gm's but surely Omar is at last chance saloon or if not very close? Adam Johnsons death has of course impacted on the season, the club and people's lives, but that is no excuse on recruitment as it occurred months before. I wonder if Omar is based in Nottingham this season? If not he should be given the circumstances that have and are occurring. He is the day to day leader snd 'CEO' of the club afterall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2024 11:55:20 GMT
I’m just not convinced that Pasha is the right guy if he’s involved with recruiting and if he’s not then Paredes certainly isn’t. Stick with him/them and it’s a fingers crossed job Pacha is the main recruiter of players for the team. He has admitted it in each of the past 2 off seasons. This past summer he said he was recruiting 'in consultation' with Paredes Given how long Pacha has been in this league, not just here but Dundee and Hull he should know exactly the make up/type of team that will at least be very competitive in the EIHL It's not like he has only been in the country 1 season. I agree we can't keep starting afresh with new coaches and or Gm's but surely Omar is at last chance saloon or if not very close? Adam Johnsons death has of course impacted on the season, the club and people's lives, but that is no excuse on recruitment as it occurred months before. I wonder if Omar is based in Nottingham this season? If not he should be given the circumstances that have and are occurring. He is the day to day leader snd 'CEO' of the club afterall. I accept Pacha is the recruiter.. but he's not very good at it .. pretty poor in fact. That needs addressing.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 23, 2024 12:05:00 GMT
He had small budgets at other clubs and knewv that he had to get the best for his money, now as he has more is he throwing it about with wanton abandon and having his pants pulled down by agents? Does he have contacts or relying on the CV's being sent to him?
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Post by jd on Jan 23, 2024 12:19:11 GMT
So who comes in? I can’t see JP being here next season, so a new coach and a new CEO/GM?
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Post by sevcik on Jan 23, 2024 12:20:56 GMT
He had small budgets at other clubs and knewv that he had to get the best for his money, now as he has more is he throwing it about with wanton abandon and having his pants pulled down by agents? Does he have contacts or relying on the CV's being sent to him? That may well be true but no matter the budget he should still know the make up/mix of players he needs to make a competitive team which he seems to have forgot or is ignoring and has done the last two seasons.
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Post by iginla on Jan 23, 2024 12:21:36 GMT
Fox Keefe Dixon All excellent at spending the budget and brining players in True plus they’ve had time and have learned from errors. Not saying we shouldn’t remove OP but we can’t keep changing things every 18-24 months. I don’t know what the club does next, JP clearly isn’t in a good place, others too I bet. If we let OP go, JP goes, then who comes in? It’s starting all over again, then if we have another poor season, do we start over again? I’m just so fed up with it all Omar Pacha is no newbie though,he has been in the EIHL for 10 or 11 years now, you would think he’d have learnt some lessons of what’s needed by now !
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Post by jd on Jan 23, 2024 12:38:11 GMT
Agreed, so which route do we go down?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 23, 2024 12:38:31 GMT
So who comes in? I can’t see JP being here next season, so a new coach and a new CEO/GM? If the coach is new to the league, has no contacts, and can't sign a squad, then yes. Pasha obviously can't. He's just been used to struggling by on very small budgets and I do not see how that's relevant to an arena team. There was a school of though by some who wondered what he could do with an arena budget and now we can see.
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Post by yeti on Jan 23, 2024 13:01:55 GMT
Pacha was in charge of recruitment this year. After saying he made a mistake letting Graham do it last season. He decided on going for young smaller/faster players. There were numerous interviews saying this was the way the modern game was going. When people on here and other sites starting saying there was no balance with the team that was being assembled in the summer they even dragged out Paul Thompson to tell us that big fast guys didn't come to our league (only big slow players)and small and fast was the way to go.
Then every week I see other teams with far bigger players than our skating just as fast as our smaller players and out muscling them. Johnson and Roy together gave us some balance. After the Johnson tragedy we became even more imbalanced with only Roy having any size amongst the import forward.
Hopefully the lesson has finally been learnt and we will go back to having a mix of players and a balanced team.
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Post by Mark on Jan 23, 2024 13:21:20 GMT
Thought I'd add to this rather start yet another thread. Browsing various social media outlets over the weekend and can note several things. One fan group on facebook has threaten to ban any poster who criticises the players or club, saying that with what happened there should be 100% support for the players and their heroicism for stepping on the ice. Any post that states otherwise the poster is villified for not being a 'true' fan and should stop going as 'the boys' are going through enough and dont deserve it. They refer to the players as 'her boys' or 'my boys' and that they seek them out on social media to offer support after each match. Is this the sort of supporter the club now has? Where they seem to think of them as their friend? Or is it the generational thing that cannot differenciate between casual contact and something more. How will they cope next season when most leave and go elsewhere and not give these fans another thought. Same on X (formerly twitter) people replying to posts on the same thing and stating they are activily looking for people who criticise the club so they can block them. Is the fan who goes now, not able to see that they are watching a professional sport and that the players are doing a job and not their friends / comfort blanket? All these "real fans" are doing is allowing Neil Black to continue his parsimonious approach to the team.
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Post by Joe on Jan 23, 2024 13:29:19 GMT
Pacha saw how slow we were last season and has tried to copy Guildford by being hyper focused on speed but he’s got the mix wrong. We’re a team built to play on the counter but teams know this so they rough us up in our d zone so our forwards have to drop down to help out meaning we lose our ability to counter and even when we do counter the opposition dmen step off to neutralise our ability to get behind them which results in us having to set up and then we’re easy pickings because our players get separated from the puck too easily. For an organisation supposedly so desperate to be back challenging at the top, our refusal to try and copy the teams who have been dominating our league for the past few seasons is baffling and for me that’s why Pacha has to go because he seems incapable of identifying what our issues are and what it takes to win.
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