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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 19, 2020 21:33:13 GMT
Interesting to see if there is money for the Non-English teams too. Not sure a 5 team league will be great! I think it's for the entire EIHL? English teams only from what I'm aware. Scottish/other hockey is a separate funding issue. Although that is to be officially confirmed at tomorrow's board meeting.
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Post by wgray on Nov 20, 2020 1:20:43 GMT
At last some positive news!
As Tony Smith has stated, we have to wait for the next announcement from Sport England to explain how the funding is broken down before we get our hopes up about the EIHL starting up this season. The EIHL stated that they were putting in an application to the DCMS on the 14th October, I‘m assuming the EIHA and IHUK did the same but haven’t been selected. Now, if there were to be one governing body for the entirety of Ice Hockey in the UK then there wouldn’t be a problem.
Tony Smith has praised the EIHA and IHUK for their help in getting the funding, whether the EIHL applied on behalf of them and included them in the funding breakdown is another thing, again we have to see the breakdown from Sport England.
It’s also interesting that there are players on social media, Ciaran Long and Liam Stewart that I’ve seen, calling the EIHL out and questioning whether they’ll send any money the way of the EIHA, without even knowing the breakdown of the funding or even if the EIHA applied to the DCMS. They could at least be a bit more gratuitous that the EIHL have made an attempt to get ice hockey going again.
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Post by Discoray on Nov 20, 2020 8:59:40 GMT
At last some positive news! As Tony Smith has stated, we have to wait for the next announcement from Sport England to explain how the funding is broken down before we get our hopes up about the EIHL starting up this season. I wouldn't bother getting any hopes up on there being a "this" season. As a bulk of the fund will be loan based, not grant. If any club opted to take up such loans, they would have play a part season to get some income flowing to even have a chance of paying it back. A huge risk to take on since crowds won't be allowed in again anytime soon, and depending solely on stream income isn't something you'd want to risk a club's future on. EIHL clubs (and indeed virtually all other minority sport clubs) simply couldn't sustain borrowing in that fashion, assuming it didn't later sink them outright, it would be a huge anchor round their neck for years to come. Leagues best bet is to take all the grant money, and distribute it accordingly to minimise losses all clubs have incurred from ending the season early, and contniue to build towards a new season next September. It's the safest and most certain option to take out of all the ones out there.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 20, 2020 10:44:08 GMT
At last some positive news! As Tony Smith has stated, we have to wait for the next announcement from Sport England to explain how the funding is broken down before we get our hopes up about the EIHL starting up this season. The EIHL stated that they were putting in an application to the DCMS on the 14th October, I‘m assuming the EIHA and IHUK did the same but haven’t been selected. Now, if there were to be one governing body for the entirety of Ice Hockey in the UK then there wouldn’t be a problem. Tony Smith has praised the EIHA and IHUK for their help in getting the funding, whether the EIHL applied on behalf of them and included them in the funding breakdown is another thing, again we have to see the breakdown from Sport England. It’s also interesting that there are players on social media, Ciaran Long and Liam Stewart that I’ve seen, calling the EIHL out and questioning whether they’ll send any money the way of the EIHA, without even knowing the breakdown of the funding or even if the EIHA applied to the DCMS. They could at least be a bit more gratuitous that the EIHL have made an attempt to get ice hockey going again. It isn't going to happen this season unless it's at rec hockey standard
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 20, 2020 11:02:52 GMT
As others have said the split of what the 4M will be is the interesting point. Suffice to say the owners are rather surprised at the high value, they expected far less.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 20, 2020 11:03:09 GMT
At last some positive news! As Tony Smith has stated, we have to wait for the next announcement from Sport England to explain how the funding is broken down before we get our hopes up about the EIHL starting up this season. I wouldn't bother getting any hopes up on there being a "this" season. As a bulk of the fund will be loan based, not grant. If any club opted to take up such loans, they would have play a part season to get some income flowing to even have a chance of paying it back. A huge risk to take on since crowds won't be allowed in again anytime soon, and depending solely on stream income isn't something you'd want to risk a club's future on. EIHL clubs (and indeed virtually all other minority sport clubs) simply couldn't sustain borrowing in that fashion, assuming it didn't later sink them outright, it would be a huge anchor round their neck for years to come. Leagues best bet is to take all the grant money, and distribute it accordingly to minimise losses all clubs have incurred from ending the season early, and contniue to build towards a new season next September. It's the safest and most certain option to take out of all the ones out there. Loan = Perfect opportunity to drop the standard of the EIHL and I know that some people would be happy watching trained chimps on skates but far too many (myself included) would only ever come back if the league was at the same standard as the last season. Good possibility of some of the Brits staying abroad and ridiculous talk of a lower import limit would spell the end anyway IMO
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Post by iginla on Nov 20, 2020 20:22:49 GMT
As others have said the split of what the 4M will be is the interesting point. Suffice to say the owners are rather surprised at the high value, they expected far less. I should think some teams would be over the moon if the £4m was split ten ways between the EIHL teams. Take say Manchester with crowds of only 1200 ish then £400k would be not far off what they turnover in a whole season. Take say Panthers or Steelers though and £400k wouldn’t even come close to the same % split turnover wise. I can see arguments looming.
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 21, 2020 0:20:32 GMT
As others have said the split of what the 4M will be is the interesting point. Suffice to say the owners are rather surprised at the high value, they expected far less. I should think some teams would be over the moon if the £4m was split ten ways between the EIHL teams. Take say Manchester with crowds of only 1200 ish then £400k would be not far off what they turnover in a whole season. Take say Panthers or Steelers though and £400k wouldn’t even come close to the same % split turnover wise. I can see arguments looming. I was referring to the split as in grant or loan.
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 23, 2020 17:36:15 GMT
With the very good news about a vaccination, but not getting too in front of ourselves, who thinks we may get a season next season, starting Sept or whenever. Not counting our chickens but say another 10 months time, what you guys think.Stay Safe All.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 23:02:14 GMT
Come back in March and ask the same question. Too early to say.. lots of variables.
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Post by Discoray on Nov 24, 2020 8:32:28 GMT
With the very good news about a vaccination, but not getting too in front of ourselves, who thinks we may get a season next season, starting Sept or whenever. Not counting our chickens but say another 10 months time, what you guys think.Stay Safe All. Based on current information to hand, with not at risk under 40s being last to get any vaccine, that will mean they won't get one until this time next year. Unless the government decide to break from their normal MO, and actually exceed expectations in a positive fashion for once. So I will suspect we'll get a season next year, but it is likely to be a later start than normal. Come back in March and ask the same question. Too early to say.. lots of variables. Indeed. Though it is just a fan discussion, so no harm speculating based on what we know at the time. As I've said above, I think we'll get a later starting season based on what we know right now. Brexit may impact in ways we don't know yet, how the emergency funding thing pans out, what rinks will be open to operate etc. to name but a few of those variables you refer to.
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 24, 2020 9:54:06 GMT
That’s exactly what it was meant for fan discussion, getting different peoples opinions on the subject. As BT once said its good to talk.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 24, 2020 13:01:07 GMT
I think that if, as the PM suggests, we are closer to a 'normality' by Easter, the EIHL will try to get something going around that time. Even if it's something along the lines of the Streaming series, using a limited number of venues and using mostly Brits with a few imports who aren't needed by their European clubs, and possibly even guest European teams. The key point is whether they are allowed spectators, or if they have to rely solely on streaming for revenue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 14:10:40 GMT
Is that just for people to get their 'hockey fix' ? Why not just wait and do things properly when it's safe to do so not try and rush any of garbage through because people are desperate for any hockey !
I still don't think next season will start on time as it will be late summer before the general population get their hands on a vaccine before and until then it won't be safe to have indoor entertainment venues to go to full capacity
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 24, 2020 19:01:42 GMT
Is that just for people to get their 'hockey fix' ? Why not just wait and do things properly when it's safe to do so not try and rush any of garbage through because people are desperate for any hockey ! I still don't think next season will start on time as it will be late summer before the general population get their hands on a vaccine before and until then it won't be safe to have indoor entertainment venues to go to full capacity I don't think for a minute there would be games played 'for the fans', more likely to generate some more revenue, via gate receipts or streaming
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 25, 2020 0:55:05 GMT
If things are "getting back to normal" by March, I can see something happening, but these decisions need making in Jan at the latest. Not sure the EIHL will be confident enough though. NIHL probably will, especially if enough rinks can let in a few hundred fans base on the new rules announced the other day. IF big crowds are back, GB will potentially need warmup games so can see a few of them arranged, although dependant on how many teams will be willing to travel by then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 16:39:17 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 26, 2020 17:06:49 GMT
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 26, 2020 20:07:15 GMT
Yes this was one of the discussion points at the board meeting. As mentioned at the time the 4M was rather surprising... So imagine the surprise now at the fact it is for the English teams only. Would be lovely if Panthers could use their money to match the spending power of a certain team who have overpaid "The agreed league budget" for the past few seasons.
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 26, 2020 20:29:31 GMT
Yes this was one of the discussion points at the board meeting. As mentioned at the time the 4M was rather surprising... So imagine the surprise now at the fact it is for the English teams only. Would be lovely if Panthers could use their money to match the spending power of a certain team who have overpaid "The agreed league budget" for the past few seasons. Is that "agreed league budget" a 'gentleman's agreement' type deal as opposed to anything official.
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 26, 2020 21:14:44 GMT
Yes this was one of the discussion points at the board meeting. As mentioned at the time the 4M was rather surprising... So imagine the surprise now at the fact it is for the English teams only. Would be lovely if Panthers could use their money to match the spending power of a certain team who have overpaid "The agreed league budget" for the past few seasons. Is that "agreed league budget" a 'gentleman's agreement' type deal as opposed to anything official. Of course, yes. Sheffield 'broke' it first about 5yrs ago & then one or two others followed. For the past two/three seasons one team has virtually annihilated it. But, old news. Let's see what happens to this money. Might be interesting.
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 26, 2020 21:15:59 GMT
Is that "agreed league budget" a 'gentleman's agreement' type deal as opposed to anything official. Of course, yes. Sheffield 'broke' it first about 5yrs ago & then one or two others followed. For the past two/three seasons one team has virtually annihilated it. But, old news. Let's see what happens to this money. Might be interesting. The cheeky devils! Who would do such a thing?
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 26, 2020 21:42:27 GMT
Of course, yes. Sheffield 'broke' it first about 5yrs ago & then one or two others followed. For the past two/three seasons one team has virtually annihilated it. But, old news. Let's see what happens to this money. Might be interesting. The cheeky devils! Who would do such a thing? Gentlemen's agreements work really well until actual gentlemen are involved.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 27, 2020 8:28:20 GMT
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Post by bobness on Nov 27, 2020 9:52:48 GMT
Your stance on this is well known, don't worry. To be fair, the government aren't giving them a penny either are they? It's loans, unless I've missed something? Personally, I can't see the league taking advantage of this "funding" if it's only a loan, and it's only the English teams. Thing with loans is they have to be paid back, out of cash flow in the future, and I doubt there is that much money/profit floating around in the EIHL's various businesses. Call it off for 20-21, and start making some plans for 21-22.
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