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Post by wannabe2 on Feb 24, 2021 22:34:40 GMT
The standard if it happens will be as close to last season as possible, why wouldn’t it be. Our gaffer and owner in Cardiff has confirmed this, and he knows a lot more than us lot. If we are lucky enough to have a 21-22 season, then the standard will be as close to what we have seen lately and why not. The doubters will say last season was poor, as their views are just as poor, but we will get there in that I have no doubt. Stay Safe All.
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2021 8:57:19 GMT
The standard if it happens will be as close to last season as possible, why wouldn’t it be. Our gaffer and owner in Cardiff has confirmed this, and he knows a lot more than us lot. If we are lucky enough to have a 21-22 season, then the standard will be as close to what we have seen lately and why not. The doubters will say last season was poor, as their views are just as poor, but we will get there in that I have no doubt. Stay Safe All. What your owners in Cardiff do tends not to be what some other owners do,that’s the problem. Mr Black has always said he works his player budget on a percentage of the previous seasons figures therefore the NIC will be a totally different kettle of fish player quality wise in season 21/22 !
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Post by messier1851 on Feb 25, 2021 11:43:43 GMT
Next season could be extremely challenging for a number of reasons. Aside from the obvious reasons already mentioned here, this is the first season since the UK exited the EU, which will potentially have ramifications for signing players from Europe.
The Premier League has had to agreed to new criteria which has set a higher bar than previous years for bringing in players from mainland Europe and it's quite possible that it won't be as easy to bring over players from (for example) the second tier of the Swedish league, because it won't be viewed as a high enough standard, despite it being a league that is comfortably on a par with the EIHL.
Older viewers might remember early on in the EIHL it was difficult to sign players because although the league structure changed dramatically with the demise of the ISL, the work permit criteria did not, so players had to have played ECHL or above up until 06-07 season when the criteria was belated changed.
Now these sort of decisions are taken by people who don't have a great deal of knowledge of the sport, they are likely to look at it in very black and white (and wrong) terms, this top flight is equal to that top flight etc.
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 25, 2021 12:10:32 GMT
Next season could be extremely challenging for a number of reasons. Aside from the obvious reasons already mentioned here, this is the first season since the UK exited the EU, which will potentially have ramifications for signing players from Europe. The Premier League has had to agreed to new criteria which has set a higher bar than previous years for bringing in players from mainland Europe and it's quite possible that it won't be as easy to bring over players from (for example) the second tier of the Swedish league, because it won't be viewed as a high enough standard, despite it being a league that is comfortably on a par with the EIHL. Older viewers might remember early on in the EIHL it was difficult to sign players because although the league structure changed dramatically with the demise of the ISL, the work permit criteria did not, so players had to have played ECHL or above up until 06-07 season when the criteria was belated changed. Now these sort of decisions are taken by people who don't have a great deal of knowledge of the sport, they are likely to look at it in very black and white (and wrong) terms, this top flight is equal to that top flight etc. Very good post this. Also to add to earlier having any faith in the majority of the EIHL owners has proven to be pretty disastrous in the past. Just because one house is in a perceived good order doesn't mean the entire neighborhood is.
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Post by wannabe2 on Feb 25, 2021 14:03:48 GMT
There again ownership of clubs don’t really look like they have changed, so should really be about the same as our last season, and there wasn’t a great deal shouted from the hilltops about them being bummers, so what’s the difference. Yes at Nottingham you seem to have a small group shouting about your ownerships leadership skills, but not much complaining from others, So therefore I can’t see it being much different which seems pretty okay. In Nottingham I think if you had 20 imports and were running away with silverware, you would still have a small contingent of so called fans moaning about winning too much, and the league opposition being too weak. Stay Safe All.
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 25, 2021 14:45:31 GMT
Likewise not every one sees the EIHL or their owners with specs as rose tinted as your own.
As in most cases the truth lies somewhere in-between & given all the potential barriers that are definitely in place for next season perhaps a little less ambition would be the better rhetoric.
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Post by Discoray on Feb 25, 2021 15:51:32 GMT
Also to add to earlier having any faith in the majority of the EIHL owners has proven to be pretty disastrous in the past. Just because one house is in a perceived good order doesn't mean the entire neighborhood is. I'm more concerned over the outbursts made by Smith and Black after the funding row, not likely to win the sport any favours with the government when it comes to things like the work permit criteria for instance.
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 25, 2021 16:21:25 GMT
Also to add to earlier having any faith in the majority of the EIHL owners has proven to be pretty disastrous in the past. Just because one house is in a perceived good order doesn't mean the entire neighborhood is. I'm more concerned over the outbursts made by Smith and Black after the funding row, not likely to win the sport any favours with the government when it comes to things like the work permit criteria for instance. Well yes, another good point well made. I'm afraid those who doubt the scruples of some of the more established owners have to bow down to the proven experience of others here. No matter how it is dressed up certain EIHL owners have a long history of putting their foot firmly in the slush whether that by privately or as you have eluded to a much grander scale. The EIHL has a certain reputation in commercial sport hierarchies & in most cases it is very well founded.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 17:01:38 GMT
Next season could be extremely challenging for a number of reasons. Aside from the obvious reasons already mentioned here, this is the first season since the UK exited the EU, which will potentially have ramifications for signing players from Europe. The Premier League has had to agreed to new criteria which has set a higher bar than previous years for bringing in players from mainland Europe and it's quite possible that it won't be as easy to bring over players from (for example) the second tier of the Swedish league, because it won't be viewed as a high enough standard, despite it being a league that is comfortably on a par with the EIHL. Older viewers might remember early on in the EIHL it was difficult to sign players because although the league structure changed dramatically with the demise of the ISL, the work permit criteria did not, so players had to have played ECHL or above up until 06-07 season when the criteria was belated changed. Now these sort of decisions are taken by people who don't have a great deal of knowledge of the sport, they are likely to look at it in very black and white (and wrong) terms, this top flight is equal to that top flight etc. Very good post this. Also to add to earlier having any faith in the majority of the EIHL owners has proven to be pretty disastrous in the past. Just because one house is in a perceived good order doesn't mean the entire neighborhood is. Yes sounds a classic case of I'm alright Jack! The reality is devils dealings DO NOT outweigh what a poo poo show this league really is regards the running of it
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 25, 2021 19:47:57 GMT
Very good post this. Also to add to earlier having any faith in the majority of the EIHL owners has proven to be pretty disastrous in the past. Just because one house is in a perceived good order doesn't mean the entire neighborhood is. Yes sounds a classic case of I'm alright Jack! The reality is devils dealings DO NOT outweigh what a poo poo show this league really is regards the running of it Any structure is as strong as its foundations. Building in a swamp with an IKEA instruction guide is not the way to go.
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Post by messier1851 on Feb 25, 2021 21:12:45 GMT
Moving swiftly on...
Also something to factor in is quarantine regulations. Will there be exemption for NA imports or will they have to sit for two weeks before they're able to train and join up with the squad? In the NHL there's already been the situation with the Dubois-Laine trade were neither could debut until after their quarantine period. What about players who want to bring family over?
The more you think about it, the more of a minefield it'll be. I mean it was hard enough getting a full roster here in time for the start of the season, the ink takes a long time to dry in some cases... Not to mention the Jade Galbraith's who didn't manage to get paperwork sorted on time.
Also as an aside, I didn't realise that Pierre-Luc Dubois' father Eric spent a season in Nottingham in 1998-99.
Anyhow. Carry on...
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Post by Yotes on Feb 25, 2021 22:23:28 GMT
I'm more concerned over the outbursts made by Smith and Black after the funding row, not likely to win the sport any favours with the government when it comes to things like the work permit criteria for instance. Do you think anyone noticed? Blacky grouching on on local radio, and Two-Point to the local rag?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 23:14:49 GMT
Moving swiftly on... Also something to factor in is quarantine regulations. Will there be exemption for NA imports or will they have to sit for two weeks before they're able to train and join up with the squad? In the NHL there's already been the situation with the Dubois-Laine trade were neither could debut until after their quarantine period. What about players who want to bring family over? The more you think about it, the more of a minefield it'll be. I mean it was hard enough getting a full roster here in time for the start of the season, the ink takes a long time to dry in some cases... Not to mention the Jade Galbraith's who didn't manage to get paperwork sorted on time. Also as an aside, I didn't realise that Pierre-Luc Dubois' father Eric spent a season in Nottingham in 1998-99. Anyhow. Carry on... Decent player, never realised they were related.
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 26, 2021 0:03:46 GMT
I'm more concerned over the outbursts made by Smith and Black after the funding row, not likely to win the sport any favours with the government when it comes to things like the work permit criteria for instance. Do you think anyone noticed? Blacky grouching on on local radio, and Two-Point to the local rag? I think the general incompetence displayed over failing to complete a couple of loan application forms on time said enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 8:42:42 GMT
Always makes me laugh when Smith and black plus others try to keep the EIHL relevent 😂 no it really isn't chaps
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 26, 2021 10:17:01 GMT
Thinking aloud here over budgets as well I expect season ticket sales to be significantly lower than in the past & this will have a large bearing on spending power. Many previous season ticket holders will have reevaluated their situations & will either pick & choose their attendance or simply have decided the risk isn't currently worth the reward. Others may well not be missing it as much as perceived.
For a product that by the owners own admittance requires fan attendance to be fruitful this points towards a potentially severe drop in quality for next season. There is only one, maybe two, sugar daddy type owners in the EIHL. All the others balance expenditure against income.
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Post by Discoray on Feb 26, 2021 11:54:04 GMT
Do you think anyone noticed? Blacky grouching on on local radio, and Two-Point to the local rag? Yes, they absolutely will know about it when it comes to decision times regarding the sport. I can assure you of that as someone who used to often contribute to the briefing of Ministers. Doesn't matter if you say something on Good Morning Britain or in the John O'Groat Journal, it'll get picked up on and quoted in the briefing pack to the Minister in question when they're asked to make the final decision. Especially when it's something that calls into question on what the government is doing or did in the past.
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 26, 2021 12:43:27 GMT
Do you think anyone noticed? Blacky grouching on on local radio, and Two-Point to the local rag? Yes, they absolutely will know about it when it comes to decision times regarding the sport. I can assure you of that as someone who used to often contribute to the briefing of Ministers. Doesn't matter if you say something on Good Morning Britain or in the John O'Groat Journal, it'll get picked up on and quoted in the briefing pack to the Minister in question when they're asked to make the final decision. Especially when it's something that calls into question on what the government is doing or did in the past. Hoisted by their own petard. How very EIHL.
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