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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 18:48:36 GMT
Spot on ginger. Keep him off the top line & blend him with the correct players & he'll score high points.
Say this quietly as well round here but maybe a better coach is now going to get the best out of him.....
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Post by BigLad on Oct 20, 2015 19:39:08 GMT
Or maybe he'll disappear again after he's had a good couple of weeks.
Just like last season.
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Post by dp on Oct 20, 2015 19:57:53 GMT
I think all he's proved so far is that any professional player can score points if you put him on a good line. That's not to say he's been useless, but his stats at Coventry are just as important as his stats at Sheffield. I don't think him scoring a few goals in his first few games has any bearing on whether the decision was right or wrong not to re-sign him.
From what I've seen, I don't think this Panthers team would have suited him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 19:05:48 GMT
Or maybe he'll disappear again after he's had a good couple of weeks. Just like last season. I'll come find you here in May if required.....
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Post by ted logan on Oct 22, 2015 19:12:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 21:42:15 GMT
Signed for another 4 weeks.....
Chortle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 8:41:27 GMT
Spot on ginger. Keep him off the top line & blend him with the correct players & he'll score high points. Say this quietly as well round here but maybe a better coach is now going to get the best out of him..... I think any question marks over the coaching of Lawrence need to be directed at the alleged messiah of the EIHL Chuck Weber (who in my opinion is overrated, if that wasn't evident). Corey got a career season out of Lawrence (outside of juniors) and Thommo is getting production out of him so why couldn't Chuck? There may be an arguement for surrounding him with 'quality' players making him better, and whilst I wasn't the biggest detractor of last years team you can't say he was surrounded by quality there yet he still produced.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 12:51:10 GMT
Spot on ginger. Keep him off the top line & blend him with the correct players & he'll score high points. Say this quietly as well round here but maybe a better coach is now going to get the best out of him..... I think any question marks over the coaching of Lawrence need to be directed at the alleged messiah of the EIHL Chuck Weber (who in my opinion is overrated, if that wasn't evident). Corey got a career season out of Lawrence (outside of juniors) and Thommo is getting production out of him so why couldn't Chuck? There may be an arguement for surrounding him with 'quality' players making him better, and whilst I wasn't the biggest detractor of last years team you can't say he was surrounded by quality there yet he still produced. News flash - Corey isn't quite the coach you perceive him to be.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 13:04:05 GMT
I think any question marks over the coaching of Lawrence need to be directed at the alleged messiah of the EIHL Chuck Weber (who in my opinion is overrated, if that wasn't evident). Corey got a career season out of Lawrence (outside of juniors) and Thommo is getting production out of him so why couldn't Chuck? There may be an arguement for surrounding him with 'quality' players making him better, and whilst I wasn't the biggest detractor of last years team you can't say he was surrounded by quality there yet he still produced. News flash - Corey isn't quite the coach you perceive him to be..... I would put him and Thommo in the top 2 for best coaches in the league, Corey maybe slightly ahead due to his track record (most successful coach in the Elite League era). Adey (who I know you're a fan of) was very good in his year at Belfast no doubt (and I think he's going to be our next coach when Corey's done here), but yet again he doesn't have the track record. He could very well have succumbed to the same 'second season syndrome' that Chuck has in Coventry.
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Post by BigLad on Oct 28, 2015 13:14:07 GMT
I think any question marks over the coaching of Lawrence need to be directed at the alleged messiah of the EIHL Chuck Weber (who in my opinion is overrated, if that wasn't evident). Corey got a career season out of Lawrence (outside of juniors) and Thommo is getting production out of him so why couldn't Chuck? There may be an arguement for surrounding him with 'quality' players making him better, and whilst I wasn't the biggest detractor of last years team you can't say he was surrounded by quality there yet he still produced. News flash - Corey isn't quite the coach you perceive him to be..... 1 League Title 5 Challenge Cups 3 PlayOff Championships In 6 years. Yeah he's rubbish that Neilson isn't he. Sack him now.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2015 13:34:09 GMT
This is his 8th year as coach isn't it?
I'd say 1 league title in 7 years, for the coach of the biggest club in the league, isn't brilliant. I believe Steelers have won 3 in that time, all under different coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 15:47:06 GMT
News flash - Corey isn't quite the coach you perceive him to be..... 1 League Title 5 Challenge Cups 3 PlayOff Championships In 6 years. Yeah he's rubbish that Neilson isn't he. Sack him now. 1 league title is his era is a poor return given our stature. Cups are a bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 15:48:30 GMT
News flash - Corey isn't quite the coach you perceive him to be..... I would put him and Thommo in the top 2 for best coaches in the league, Corey maybe slightly ahead due to his track record (most successful coach in the Elite League era). Adey (who I know you're a fan of) was very good in his year at Belfast no doubt (and I think he's going to be our next coach when Corey's done here), but yet again he doesn't have the track record. He could very well have succumbed to the same 'second season syndrome' that Chuck has in Coventry. Can't dispute what Adey did 'building a squad' wise.... Something I've always been rather critical with Neilson over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 16:11:49 GMT
I would put him and Thommo in the top 2 for best coaches in the league, Corey maybe slightly ahead due to his track record (most successful coach in the Elite League era). Adey (who I know you're a fan of) was very good in his year at Belfast no doubt (and I think he's going to be our next coach when Corey's done here), but yet again he doesn't have the track record. He could very well have succumbed to the same 'second season syndrome' that Chuck has in Coventry. Can't dispute what Adey did 'building a squad' wise.... Something I've always been rather critical with Neilson over. Adey never built a squad though, he inherited a lot of Doug Christiansen's players and Todd Kelman did the majority of recruiting for Adey's year in charge after Big Doug left if I remember correctly. If you could give me a combination of Doug as GM/Director of Hockey Operations who is responsible for recruitment with Corey & Strachs as the coaches I think you'd be onto a winner year on year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 16:28:39 GMT
Can't dispute what Adey did 'building a squad' wise.... Something I've always been rather critical with Neilson over. Adey never built a squad though, he inherited a lot of Doug Christiansen's players and Todd Kelman did the majority of recruiting for Adey's year in charge after Big Doug left if I remember correctly. If you could give me a combination of Doug as GM/Director of Hockey Operations who is responsible for recruitment with Corey & Strachs as the coaches I think you'd be onto a winner year on year. I'm sure Adey had no say what-so-ever.... Neilson has flattered to deceive recruitment wise. Maybe his hands are tied a little by those above him, 1 league title under his tenure is still a poor return.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 19:14:11 GMT
Adey never built a squad though, he inherited a lot of Doug Christiansen's players and Todd Kelman did the majority of recruiting for Adey's year in charge after Big Doug left if I remember correctly. If you could give me a combination of Doug as GM/Director of Hockey Operations who is responsible for recruitment with Corey & Strachs as the coaches I think you'd be onto a winner year on year. I'm sure Adey had no say what-so-ever.... Neilson has flattered to deceive recruitment wise. Maybe his hands are tied a little by those above him, 1 league title under his tenure is still a poor return. I believe it's widly accepted he had very little to no say until the final couple of signings. 1 league title is poor yes, but maybe only in out eyes. If his targets are set elsewhere (eg last 2 years we had other priorities) then he can only be measured by the goals he's set my management whether we're are privvy to what they are not. All coaches make mistakes recruitment wise at this level, there's to much 'wait and see' for them not to. To bring this around back on topic what we can both agree on is that Lawrence isn't one of the recruitment choices that has a question mark next to him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 19:23:21 GMT
I'm sure Adey had no say what-so-ever.... Neilson has flattered to deceive recruitment wise. Maybe his hands are tied a little by those above him, 1 league title under his tenure is still a poor return. I believe it's widly accepted he had very little to no say until the final couple of signings. Proof or it didn't happen.... if you please.
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Post by BigLad on Oct 29, 2015 7:52:05 GMT
1 league title...in 52 years.
Yup, all Corey's fault that.
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Post by Dan on Nov 3, 2015 9:47:54 GMT
Or maybe he'll disappear again after he's had a good couple of weeks. Just like last season. He was our top scorer. How many 'good weeks' did he have before disappearing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 12:45:33 GMT
1 league title...in 52 years. Yup, all Corey's fault that. 1 in 6/7 is......
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Post by nate24 on Nov 3, 2015 14:01:54 GMT
1 league title...in 52 years. Yup, all Corey's fault that. 1 in 6/7 is...... Maybe GM is more of the problem. he's overseen for longer and who knows what influences he has on how Corey builds and runs a team.
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Post by EMB on Nov 3, 2015 15:25:38 GMT
Can't dispute what Adey did 'building a squad' wise.... Something I've always been rather critical with Neilson over. Adey never built a squad though, he inherited a lot of Doug Christiansen's players and Todd Kelman did the majority of recruiting for Adey's year in charge after Big Doug left if I remember correctly. If you could give me a combination of Doug as GM/Director of Hockey Operations who is responsible for recruitment with Corey & Strachs as the coaches I think you'd be onto a winner year on year. I think that would be a great combination, total hockey minded men running the show, abit like Cardiff. That's not going to happen tho' while ever GM has his fingers in the pie & NB won't get rid if he's making money or knows too much about the dealings of the club.
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Post by EMB on Nov 3, 2015 15:29:16 GMT
Adey never built a squad though, he inherited a lot of Doug Christiansen's players and Todd Kelman did the majority of recruiting for Adey's year in charge after Big Doug left if I remember correctly. If you could give me a combination of Doug as GM/Director of Hockey Operations who is responsible for recruitment with Corey & Strachs as the coaches I think you'd be onto a winner year on year. I'm sure Adey had no say what-so-ever.... Neilson has flattered to deceive recruitment wise. Maybe his hands are tied a little by those above him, 1 league title under his tenure is still a poor return. Corey has had his hands tied this year by those above, remember they didnt want him here this year, Corey had said his goodbye's and was convinced that was it. It was a surprise when they changed their minds, maybe Chuck turned them down to stay at Coventry who knows. NB has had the final say on alot of the signings.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 3, 2015 15:42:24 GMT
Corey has had his hands tied this year by those above, remember they didnt want him here this year, Corey had said his goodbye's and was convinced that was it. Surely if Blacky didn't want him here anymore, he wouldn't be here? We all remember Stand Up For Mike Ellis, result = bye bye Mike Ellis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 18:16:32 GMT
I'm sure Adey had no say what-so-ever.... Neilson has flattered to deceive recruitment wise. Maybe his hands are tied a little by those above him, 1 league title under his tenure is still a poor return. Corey has had his hands tied this year by those above, remember they didnt want him here this year, Corey had said his goodbye's and was convinced that was it. It was a surprise when they changed their minds, maybe Chuck turned them down to stay at Coventry who knows. NB has had the final say on alot of the signings. Speculation or actual facts? Please recall the £50 for Salters posts when typing your reply.....
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