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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 22, 2015 9:24:35 GMT
No matter what people's opinions are on CN returning, or anything to do with Panthers, you just can't argue with that. It is a pathetic league record that absolutely stinks. On the contrary, it's perfectly open to argument... but not amongst those who are totally closed-minded. Unfortunately, such people always seem to shout the loudest on here. Go on then.... |
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Post by ted logan on Apr 22, 2015 9:49:51 GMT
No matter what people's opinions are on CN returning, or anything to do with Panthers, you just can't argue with that. It is a pathetic league record that absolutely stinks. On the contrary, it's perfectly open to argument... but not amongst those who are totally closed-minded. Unfortunately, such people always seem to shout the loudest on here. I feel a long way short of being closed-minded but I do genuinely feel that 1 league title and 1 runners-up spot in the NIC/EIHL era is nowhere near good enough. Belfast, Coventry and Sheffield all have a league record in the same era that really puts ours to shame. I stand by my view that ours is a pathetic record. |
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Post by askey1989 on Apr 22, 2015 10:36:56 GMT
On the contrary, it's perfectly open to argument... but not amongst those who are totally closed-minded. Unfortunately, such people always seem to shout the loudest on here. I feel a long way short of being closed-minded but I do genuinely feel that 1 league title and 1 runners-up spot in the NIC/EIHL era is nowhere near good enough. Belfast, Coventry and Sheffield all have a league record in the same era that really puts ours to shame. I stand by my view that ours is a pathetic record. Whilst our record with the league is far from where it should be, the success we've had in the NIC with other competitions cant be sniffed at surely? This is the first season since 2009 where the panthers have gone without a major trophy. That record is surely something we can shout about. IMO the success we have had holding onto other trophies puts belfast, coventry and Sheffield to shame really, when we have won them we have won them back to back, the argument can be put across that "well the other teams were concentrating on the league" but i dont believe that for a second, all teams i believe want trophy success. I understand the fustration with the league though, but we do have positives as a club trophy wise too. |
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Post by EMB on Apr 22, 2015 10:57:24 GMT
Underwhelmed so far. If as rumoured Doucet joins Cardiff then we've got to question the Panthers commitment to building a winning team. He was our only decent forward last season and to let him go to another EIHL team would be criminal. A lot now depends on the remaining signings, a bit of quality and balance wouldn't go amiss. The problem with that is you can throw all the money you like at people but if they dont want to come back thats it. Doucet said he was keeping his options open, I think he'll stay in this league as it suits his style of play, just depends who tempts him the most. |
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Post by bowen3929 on Apr 22, 2015 11:55:24 GMT
I thought the article was a really interesting read myself although I did pick up on the thing at the end about recruitment and I find it a strange comment for Corey to make, 'If we recruit well.' Personally I'd rather him sound more assuring and say something along the lines of 'I'm confident that we will recruit well.'
Sounds like he's being too open already in regards to this time next year and slightly giving up, if he really wanted success then surely he should be more reassuring to fans and try his upmost best - for at least the time being - letting the fans hear what they want to hear until September when the talking will be done on the ice.
In general though, we need to make a good start on the league and should the fixture list be favourable, take advantage of the teams in europe next year. As we know, the CHL will start early and any early fixtures against those teams competing we need to go at strong as they will be vulnerable as Hull saw with us when they hammered us 6-1 and build from there. As much as we put UK ice hockey on the map by competing last year, I think it just put our season in jeopardy by not having any form of consistancy or anything else for that matter. I think we've helped the league by seeing that you should build a brilliant squad rather than having players coming and going to 'compete' in a competition in which british teams for the next god knows how long are going to have any chance in being successful in, but in black and gold tints, I hope they haven't paid any notice to us whatsoever.
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Post by EMB on Apr 22, 2015 13:19:04 GMT
Maybe he's dropping the hint that its not always him that recruits or has the final say even tho he takes the flack for it. Or maybe he means him & Rick & or GM. It doesnt matter how strong a character he is or perceives to be ultimately the final decision lies with 'the boss' as he calls him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 14:41:40 GMT
To be fair, you can't always guarantee you're gonna recruit well. He brought back Graham, everyone was overjoyed and other fans around the league were gutted we got him back. But then you see how poor he was. It's all about personalities and connections as much as ability. You can't stick too quality players together if they're not gonna click
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 22, 2015 20:06:48 GMT
To be fair, you can't always guarantee you're gonna recruit well. He brought back Graham, everyone was overjoyed and other fans around the league were gutted we got him back. But then you see how poor he was. It's all about personalities and connections as much as ability. You can't stick too quality players together if they're not gonna click Absolutely no problem with that and agree 100%. The problem was sticking with him all year instead of replacing him. |
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Post by pantherjack on Apr 22, 2015 20:14:41 GMT
Just read quote on the site from Corey's article... "The bar is always set high in Nottingham and that's a good thing. Everyone wants to win every time we step on the ice"
It was the win every time we step on the ice but that got me. It must stop there a lot of the time then, because I watched a lot games last season where heads quickly dropped or it was clear some couldn't be bothered.
Why do they keep churning out this sort of poo poo, day in and day out,. Are people really fooled these days into believing these statements. I mean, if we played behind closed doors and only saw the results then fine, but we all sit not many feet from the ice clearly able to see when a player is up for it or not, the problem is it happens all to frequently.
If that's the way it has to be in our league based on the quality it attracts then fine I can live with that. What annoys me is when quotes come out like that as if we haven't got eyes in our heads!
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Post by iginla on Apr 22, 2015 20:18:52 GMT
The problem with recruiting is you don't always get what you think you are.
With Berube,they thought they were getting a big tough Dman and with Higgins they thought he would do what Ling did for Graham.
So who's fault is that ?
Graham played with Berube previously and Corey watched Higgins plenty of times,so you can't even blame a less than truthful agent for those two balls ups.
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Post by Ian on Apr 22, 2015 20:32:32 GMT
Just read quote on the site from Corey's article... "The bar is always set high in Nottingham and that's a good thing. Everyone wants to win every time we step on the ice" It was the win every time we step on the ice but that got me. It must stop there a lot of the time then, because I watched a lot games last season where heads quickly dropped or it was clear some couldn't be bothered. I think the quote in the report is not 100% accurate. In the interview Corey actually says "the fans want us to win every time we step on ice. So do I, that's always the game plan" or words to that effect. He wasn't referring to the players. |
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Post by cjmatt42 on Apr 23, 2015 12:04:16 GMT
I've bounced backwards and forwards since Tuesday between being pleased and disappointed but reading the Evening Post article has settled me on the side of optimism. Corey has consistently won trophies over a sustained period of time, clearly has a lot of attachment to the club, supporters and city. The disappointment of winning nothing last season could just be the driver we need to kick on again next season.
While obviously recruitment will be important as ever having that bit of luck in the treatment room will I'm sure will go a long way to determining success. Last year particularly not only saw an injury hit campaign but it was the British players that were missing that make the big difference as not only do you lose their ability you lose a body off the bench. While you can moan about the quality of player A and the quality of Player B losing Clarke and Lee for such a sustained period (63 matches missed) had a massive impact on the season the same way taking O'Connor/Dowd or Bowns/Richardson out rival teams for that long would do as you simply can't replace them.
As a quick exercise using some PPG stats, Lee and Clarke managed 65 games for 14g+25a at 0.6ppg compared to Dowd and O'Connor of 117 games for 34g+59a at 0.79ppg. While not that straightforward if you equate those PPG into goals and Lee/Clarke managed the 117 games the Panthers would have had 31 extra goals while Steelers would have been down 41 goals had O'Connor/Dowd only been fit for 65 games. Whilst I appreciate it's not that simple there is a 72 goals swing in the teams seasons. Even ignoring the assists and just making the adjustments for goals the Panthers were 11 down with Steelers 16 up, still a swing of 27 had the number of available games been the other way round. While the game isn't played out on paper this gives a bit of an indication of the importance of the British players to the rosters and how maybe just having that bit more luck might make the difference especially when you look at the number of OT defeats and 1 goal defeats where one extra goal would have made a huge difference.
Before I get shot down I'm not suggesting that we were unlucky not to win the League as there are plenty of other factors that do and don't make up a winning team and I thought we were just lacking in some areas, all I was doing is highlighting that away from recruitment and tactics there are some things that are out of your hands as a coach.
The key for the coming year for me is to try and get our identity back as the hard hitting, forechecking, offensively minded team of 2012/13. This will firstly come about in the recruitment phase but secondly in during the season and having that bit more luck with keeping players on the ice.
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Post by BigLad on Apr 23, 2015 12:24:02 GMT
The key for the coming year for me is to try and get our identity back as the hard hitting, forechecking, offensively minded team This. Also, really don't understand why we don't get official 2-way deals going with some EPL Brits. The likes of Chamberlain & Hook (at MK) for example. |
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Post by Shorty on Apr 23, 2015 12:48:22 GMT
The key for the coming year for me is to try and get our identity back as the hard hitting, forechecking, offensively minded team This. Also, really don't understand why we don't get official 2-way deals going with some EPL Brits. The likes of Chamberlain & Hook (at MK) for example. Its the EPL clubs who do now want their players released. With Pete Russell taking over at MK, it may well be that he is more in favour of releasing his players to get Elite League experience. |
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 23, 2015 19:08:53 GMT
I don't know where this 'Corey is arrogant' comes from? I can only think of him from his playing days?
I wish he was more arrogant tbh
I want to see a bit of passion, I want him to come out and say what he thinks is wrong and how he's going to put it right.
The last person who came out and told it like it was and sorted it out was Jordan fox.
He has said clearly before that he signs all of the players.
If I was made panthers coach I would finish top 5, if we had no coach we'd probably finish top 5 tbh
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Post by fishman on Apr 24, 2015 8:06:54 GMT
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Post by texpef on Apr 24, 2015 9:43:31 GMT
Don't forget the shirt auction!!!  |
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Post by lepine28 on Apr 24, 2015 16:48:16 GMT
And a testimonial season to boot. Quids in.
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