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Post by dp on Apr 21, 2015 20:04:57 GMT
Black out! 2 seasons of utter dross, last season was turgid. Cue the steelers bringing in the man we should have signed They better hand Corey a blank cheque book as this is getting insulting for the loyal fans. I think we can safely answer that one already. Are Mosey and Schmidt the signings you'd make if you were handed a blank cheque book? They're a cheap start by the looks of things continuing the vein of the last two seasons. And both were signed by GM. I've always thought that the big attraction of Corey to Panthers is that he can get a lot out of cheaper players - he can just about compete for decent parts of the season having spent a lot less. But I think the injury problems may be connected - he has to flog them to get them to a level where they can compete, and that's when injuries happen. Last season most agreed that if we outworked the other team we could win, but if they matched us for effort then we'd lose. That's not sustainable over the course of a full season, as it proved. |
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 21, 2015 20:23:35 GMT
True, all the money is going on breaheads European adventure and the decadent London pipe dream.
When we spend a fraction of our income and utterly fail again they can just blame Corey.
I do hope I'm wrong and it's our turn again next term, but it looks a cheap option start again.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Apr 21, 2015 20:32:58 GMT
True, all the money is going on breaheads European adventure and the decadent London pipe dream. When we spend a fraction of our income and utterly fail again they can just blame Corey. I do hope I'm wrong and it's our turn again next term, but it looks a cheap option start again. Firstly Braehead is funded separately and independently. Zamlac bemoaned the fact that they were not splashing out cash up there to the same extent as on the Panthers. Their crowds now will be putting them in profit and they will be self supporting. Also as stated in the fans forum, the London adventure won't be happening for a year or two. You are right that we don't spend all the income - that is why NB is a business man and is not obliged to do so. He isn't stupid enough not to realise that he does need to address the slump over the last two years and I would expect him to respond financially. However he wasn't slow to back Corey when signings were needed in the form of Doucet and Cohen. |
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Apr 21, 2015 20:42:55 GMT
True, all the money is going on breaheads European adventure and the decadent London pipe dream. When we spend a fraction of our income and utterly fail again they can just blame Corey. I do hope I'm wrong and it's our turn again next term, but it looks a cheap option start again. Firstly Braehead is funded separately and independently. Zamlac bemoaned the fact that they were not splashing out cash up there to the same extent as on the Panthers. Their crowds now will be putting them in profit and they will be self supporting. Also as stated in the fans forum, the London adventure won't be happening for a year or two. You are right that we don't spend all the income - that is why NB is a business man and is not obliged to do so. He isn't stupid enough not to realise that he does need to address the slump over the last two years and I would expect him to respond financially. However he wasn't slow to back Corey when signings were needed in the form of Doucet and Cohen. I'm not so sure about that. Pretty sure one is funded by a company loan to the other, which only works on the basis Black will call neither in as the house of cards will come tumbling down. Then we expect him to fund a third team and that's accepted and ok with the league? IMO all clubs owned by Black are linked one way or another. |
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 21, 2015 20:53:03 GMT
Exactly, a London team will cost 10x more than a Scottish one.
Maybe breahead will pay us back the loan and we will spend it on our team this year or lowering our ticket prices?
You can't run a sports team like a business, keep turning profit, taking money out of the team and not producing results on the ice. it will end badly.
Look at Newcastle United in the football
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 21, 2015 21:08:02 GMT
I don't want us to go bust, but we are so far from that it is laughable. I bet the steelers Saturday night games covered our season.
I'm not bothered that Corey is back or not.
I just want us to compete on the ice. That press release is the stuff of fantasy.
We got lucky that all the other teams were so bad, but we were no where near in the league.
We bottled the cup
We fluffed the playoffs against a team who were mostly horrific until the found a great coach.
Europe was ok, but we have had zero consistency or passion and will to win for the last 2 seasons which according to the club have been decent???
The performances of hull and blaze at the playoffs highlighted what we are missing for me.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Apr 21, 2015 21:09:31 GMT
Braehead attendance is now on average over 3,000 and they have smaller hire charges. Braehead obviously were funded initially by Aladdin which is a profitable company. As posted earlier, a london team would stay and train at Milton Keynes to save costs and play in London. I understand that the problem at the moment is a suitable rink and ice plant.
Panthers would have made profits over the last few years with healthy average attendances and obviously would have the capacity if they wished to lower ticket prices.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 21:23:18 GMT
All we kept hearing early last season was more speed & building a team for Europe which at the time was a clear mistake & so it proved to be.
Neilson knows how to build a team just for the league so this is his last chance to do so here imo..... Or did he just fluke Ling, Graham & Fox in to the line up?!
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Post by Shaggy on Apr 21, 2015 21:36:52 GMT
I was speaking to one of the British players out at the World Championships... and he had nothing but praise for Corey's work with bringing British players through to EIHL standard. Said that there's a lot Corey does that we never see. Given the source, that's a pretty decent recommendation. I know some people on here don't give a toss about British players, only care about imports - well, tough titties because there are a lot of us who do care. Counts as a plus for Corey in my book.
Corey isn't perfect... hey, newsflash - neither is any other coach. The recruiting for last season was sub-par overall, I don't think there's really much doubt about that - just as there's not really any doubt that the recruiting for the Grand Slam season was excellent. That plus the massive amount of injuries (and to key players) plus what may seem to our untrained eyes as a few questionable coaching tactics at times... yeah, last season was a stinker for Mr Neilson. With all of the silverware that he has provided as coach... I don't see why we should write him off.
I'm not massively for or against his re-signing... just think that it's a reasonable decision, and that he's got a lot to prove (again!). We'll see...
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Post by Mark on Apr 21, 2015 21:44:40 GMT
Underwhelmed so far. If as rumoured Doucet joins Cardiff then we've got to question the Panthers commitment to building a winning team. He was our only decent forward last season and to let him go to another EIHL team would be criminal.
A lot now depends on the remaining signings, a bit of quality and balance wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by Shorty on Apr 21, 2015 22:25:25 GMT
I was speaking to one of the British players out at the World Championships... and he had nothing but praise for Corey's work with bringing British players through to EIHL standard. Said that there's a lot Corey does that we never see. Given the source, that's a pretty decent recommendation. I know some people on here don't give a toss about British players, only care about imports - well, tough titties because there are a lot of us who do care. Counts as a plus for Corey in my book. Boxill was singing his praises in an Evening Post article recently for his work with the young British players. |
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Post by iginla on Apr 21, 2015 22:48:09 GMT
I do wish people would stop and think before claiming all this recent success is purely down to Neilson,because before last season,for three or four years there were basically only two,maybe three teams that were ever capable of winning anything.
Quite frankly,with Panthers resources compared to most other teams we should have expected to win at least one or two trophies every season.
The simple fact is,that Panthers don't want to spend what they could in order to keep things close in the league and so give the other teams a chance.
You could or should be able to put any half decent coach behind Panthers bench and he should win trophies.
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Post by PantherG on Apr 21, 2015 22:54:48 GMT
Braehead attendance is now on average over 3,000 and they have smaller hire charges. Braehead obviously were funded initially by Aladdin which is a profitable company. As posted earlier, a london team would stay and train at Milton Keynes to save costs and play in London. I understand that the problem at the moment is a suitable rink and ice plant. Panthers would have made profits over the last few years with healthy average attendances and obviously would have the capacity if they wished to lower ticket prices. I heard from a highly reliable source that the team will play out of Wembley Arena, all that needs to be done to the Arena is for the floor to be lowered around 2" to accommodate the ice plant and then they are good to go. From what I understand it will be all systems go from 2016/17 and not 2017/18. Wembley is owned by the same owners as the 02 and are not as busy for bookings as they used to be, since the 02 opened and they tend to host in the main lower key events, I would assume that NB will get a decent deal on rental costs and Wembley has fantastic transport links in and out of London, a million times better than the Docklands. If I was NB, I would get a couple of NHL teams over on invitation to garner interest and then use that as a platform to promote the team as well as go after the Previous London Knight fans. Out of interest what was the average crowds at the Docklands? I also think that people need to look past the fact that NB will own a third team, and see that the league will be a much richer league with a London team competing and playing in a fantastic facility. I don't think the Panthers or the Clan will suffer financially due to this, if NB was obsessed with saving money I am sure he would not have taken Panthers to Europe last year, a very expensive venture I am sure. NB will know that the team needs to deliver this season and Corey will know this too. A few big names signings will be great, but we need players to gel, that is the most important thing. |
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Post by iginla on Apr 21, 2015 23:16:16 GMT
Put it another way.
If Corey was behind the bench at Hull,Edinburgh,Dundee,Fife,Hull or Braehead,would he have won anything......NO !
At Coventry or Cardiff,most probably......NO !
That leaves only three teams up to last year capable of winning anything,which is exactly what happened up until Coventrys play off win.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 23:23:20 GMT
Put it another way. If Corey was behind the bench at Hull,Edinburgh,Dundee,Fife,Hull or Braehead,would he have won anything......NO ! At Coventry or Cardiff,most probably......NO ! That leaves only three teams up to last year capable of winning anything,which is exactly what happened up until Coventrys play off win. Corey isn't behind the bench at those teams though is he. He's behind the bench at our club and is the most successful coach in our history. You believe he's not up to the job which is your prerogative. I believe he is which is mine. I'm not prepared to write him off after one bad season. |
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Post by iginla on Apr 21, 2015 23:41:12 GMT
You could put any current EIHL coach behind Panthers bench Jonno and they would have won trophies.
The very nature of the league,where we have had five no hopers,two average teams and three good teams means Panthers would win there share of trophies.
The league title is the important one,how many times have the biggest team in the land even competed for it,never mind won it in the last ten years.....once,possibly twice if you were being very kind.
That is a quite pathetic statistic !!!
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Post by Shorty on Apr 22, 2015 6:10:21 GMT
Put it another way. If Corey was behind the bench at Hull,Edinburgh,Dundee,Fife,Hull or Braehead,would he have won anything......NO. You could have put Scotty Bowman behind the benches at those clubs and he wouldn't have won anything. I don't know if Corey ran over your cat, but your continual criticism of him goes way beyond you wanting Panthers to win everything. |
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Post by askey1989 on Apr 22, 2015 6:24:40 GMT
You could put any current EIHL coach behind Panthers bench Jonno and they would have won trophies. The very nature of the league,where we have had five no hopers,two average teams and three good teams means Panthers would win there share of trophies. The league title is the important one,how many times have the biggest team in the land even competed for it,never mind won it in the last ten years.....once,possibly twice if you were being very kind. That is a quite pathetic statistic !!! I think the term "no hopers" is quite a harsh statement to make really, considering these no hopers quite happily took points off the bigger teams, I think it's statements like this from fans that make us look very big headed, like we have god given right to win something every year,I hope,over the next few seasons that the "no hopers" continue to build on there determination and success to be more competitive. Anyway, if we continue to sign players that don't play with heart and the no hopers do sign players who play for the badge on the front then who really deserves the trophies year on year? |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 22, 2015 6:38:14 GMT
Put it another way. If Corey was behind the bench at Hull,Edinburgh,Dundee,Fife,Hull or Braehead,would he have won anything......NO ! At Coventry or Cardiff,most probably......NO ! That leaves only three teams up to last year capable of winning anything,which is exactly what happened up until Coventrys play off win. Corey isn't behind the bench at those teams though is he. He's behind the bench at our club and is the most successful coach in our history. You believe he's not up to the job which is your prerogative. I believe he is which is mine. I'm not prepared to write him off after one bad season. I would like to have seen changes made at the top for quite a few reasons not just CN but now he is back the Panthers are my team and I am 100% behind him and now HE has to stand up and put the last couple of years behind him. Questionable recruiting and tactics go pretty much hand in hand with the drivel and "shirt" sales that take priority from the club itself. The Panthers are pretty much a sleeping gaint and have been for years now. Many have followed since way back in the bad days etc etc etc but those days are long gone and it's time the club woke up and started delivering on a lot of levels. Pretty much a defining year comming up and now it's up to CN to show what he can do imho. |
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Post by OwenB on Apr 22, 2015 6:53:47 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 22, 2015 7:11:23 GMT
Interesting that he used the word "we" when it came to recruiting. |
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Post by Ian on Apr 22, 2015 7:18:47 GMT
Very interesting article. Have to say that I don't buy this "poor chap not knowing whether or not he's got a job, with two kids to support" stuff - if you choose to be a hockey player or coach that is the life you choose, if you want more stability go work in an office or something. However, apart from that it was good to get a small insight into Corey as a person, which we hardly ever do. He talks about learning from mistakes and being optimistic for the future, let's hope that is reflected in the players he brings in and the way he gets them playing when the new season begins. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:48:09 GMT
You could put any current EIHL coach behind Panthers bench Jonno and they would have won trophies. The very nature of the league,where we have had five no hopers,two average teams and three good teams means Panthers would win there share of trophies. The league title is the important one,how many times have the biggest team in the land even competed for it,never mind won it in the last ten years.....once,possibly twice if you were being very kind. That is a quite pathetic statistic !!! Steve Thornton? |
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Post by ted logan on Apr 22, 2015 8:23:32 GMT
The league title is the important one,how many times have the biggest team in the land even competed for it,never mind won it in the last ten years.....once,possibly twice if you were being very kind. That is a quite pathetic statistic !!! No matter what people's opinions are on CN returning, or anything to do with Panthers, you just can't argue with that. It is a pathetic league record that absolutely stinks. |
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Post by Shaggy on Apr 22, 2015 9:08:04 GMT
The league title is the important one,how many times have the biggest team in the land even competed for it,never mind won it in the last ten years.....once,possibly twice if you were being very kind. That is a quite pathetic statistic !!! No matter what people's opinions are on CN returning, or anything to do with Panthers, you just can't argue with that. It is a pathetic league record that absolutely stinks. On the contrary, it's perfectly open to argument... but not amongst those who are totally closed-minded. Unfortunately, such people always seem to shout the loudest on here. |
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