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Post by sambo79 on Jan 30, 2011 9:47:54 GMT
Thats alot of goals your giving up Bramley, our PP stats would look like a horror show without Clarke. Yes it is, but then you'd expect a lot of goals from potentially our top earner. I'm not going to pretend I'm privvy to the Panthers finances but I'm guessing you could get a bloody good import in for the money were paying Clarke. I'm not saying I don't rate him, all I'm saying is he'd be much more replacebale than say Matt Myers for example. Ok, which of our top earning imports have outscored Clarke over the last few seasons? To even consider not having David Clarke simply because his shooting 'isn't very accuate' (btw - do you even have any stats to back this claim up?) is just ridiculous. If you could guarantee an import would score as many goals as Clarke all season they would probably be the highest paid player in the league.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 30, 2011 10:23:24 GMT
Get rid of the import limit = best on ice product possible
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Post by jd on Jan 30, 2011 10:24:33 GMT
9 goals and 5 assists for Farmer, he's brilliant. Let's sack Clarke and get him in. Utter tosh, if we lose Clarke that will be bad bad news. We need him, look at the season we didn't have him, we missed him so much. When he was with Tessier firsttime around he was a different class of player. He's a goal scorer and every team needs them. Cook/Clarke/McAslan/Mann, I think they add to any team they are on. Cook has 26 for the Clan already this season.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 30, 2011 10:28:37 GMT
Get rid of the import limit = best on ice product possible <yawn> Yeah, right... like that'll work. Because imports never let us down... as if. Or go back to the old ISL... great hockey, but it'll get somewhat boring if every other team goes bust because they can't afford all-import no-limit spending. Think it through...
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 30, 2011 11:03:11 GMT
Yes but we can sign a squad, if an import lets us down gass him, get another one in. All these limits do is leave people in comfy positions and an ideal excuse, 'oh i would but the limit.' It's not like teams aren't going bust anyway is it. may as well give them every chance to succeed, not limit them.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 30, 2011 11:13:16 GMT
Yes but we can sign a squad, if an import lets us down gass him, get another one in. All these limits do is leave people in comfy positions and an ideal excuse, 'oh i would but the limit.' It's not like teams aren't going bust anyway is it. may as well give them every chance to succeed, not limit them. There are many gaping flaws in your argument, but one in particular springs to mind. If the British players are in "comfy positions"... how come it's not them who - by general consensus of opinion - have been letting us down regarding motivation, effort, off-ice discipline, etc? Zion, McDonald, Galbraith, even Neilson... these have been the main targets for such criticism. All imports. So... how would abolishing the import limit improve matters?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 11:18:48 GMT
The purpose of the game is to score goals. Davis Clarke scores more goals than any other Brit an more than the vast majority of imports. To even consider cutting him would be complete madness IMO. Yes he is a very one dimensional player, but what a dimension to have!
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 30, 2011 11:24:51 GMT
Yes but we can sign a squad, if an import lets us down gass him, get another one in. All these limits do is leave people in comfy positions and an ideal excuse, 'oh i would but the limit.' It's not like teams aren't going bust anyway is it. may as well give them every chance to succeed, not limit them. There are many gaping flaws in your argument, but one in particular springs to mind. If the British players are in "comfy positions"... how come it's not them who - by general consensus of opinion - have been letting us down regarding motivation, effort, off-ice discipline, etc? Zion, McDonald, Galbraith, even Neilson... these have been the main targets for such criticism. All imports. So... how would abolishing the import limit improve matters? The Brits play well cause they want to come back next year, they are the longest serving players, settled in Nottingham and have an efinity to the team. The imports, because of how they are used, are mercinaries. If someone better comes along they are gassed. if we could sign 20 imports, we could sign the core to multi year deals and let them settle in Nottingham. Also we would be more flexible when getting rid of the chaff.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 30, 2011 11:42:40 GMT
There are many gaping flaws in your argument, but one in particular springs to mind. If the British players are in "comfy positions"... how come it's not them who - by general consensus of opinion - have been letting us down regarding motivation, effort, off-ice discipline, etc? Zion, McDonald, Galbraith, even Neilson... these have been the main targets for such criticism. All imports. So... how would abolishing the import limit improve matters? The Brits play well cause they want to come back next year, they are the longest serving players, settled in Nottingham and have an efinity to the team. Sofar, all you are doing is to prove that having more British players is a good thing! ;D Great... so we can easily get rid of some chaff (as you call it) and sign what... more chaff? How many imports do you see on multi-year deals in this league? How many are going to want to do that? As you say - many are 'mercenaries'. There are bigger/better/richer leagues elsewhere... if they get a chance to go there, they will. So your idea of building up a long-term core of imports is flawed at best. Plus, the scenario you are suggesting is just as valid with an import limit as without. That's assuming the club can or will spend that much money on however many extra imports. I'm still waiting for a logical explanation as to how scrapping the import limit would do any good...
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Post by Jay on Jan 30, 2011 11:47:28 GMT
Probably one of our biggest earners who kicked back and relaxed in a penthouse apartment but maybe was abit of a whiner in the locker room and caused conflict..maybe disposing of him might return abit of faith into the locker room.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 30, 2011 12:01:30 GMT
The Brits play well cause they want to come back next year, they are the longest serving players, settled in Nottingham and have an efinity to the team. Sofar, all you are doing is to prove that having more British players is a good thing! ;D Great... so we can easily get rid of some chaff (as you call it) and sign what... more chaff? How many imports do you see on multi-year deals in this league? How many are going to want to do that? As you say - many are 'mercenaries'. There are bigger/better/richer leagues elsewhere... if they get a chance to go there, they will. So your idea of building up a long-term core of imports is flawed at best. Plus, the scenario you are suggesting is just as valid with an import limit as without. That's assuming the club can or will spend that much money on however many extra imports. I'm still waiting for a logical explanation as to how scrapping the import limit would do any good... I think you are generalising the issues with Imports, with the failings of our club. Most Imports out side the Panthers manage to do a professional job and turn up for games week in week out. Players would have to play for their place and pay packet, on merit, regardless of where they come from of where they were trained. Less financially stable teams would be able to bring in cheaper better skilled imports rather than being forced to rely on inexperienced brits.
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Post by martinski83 on Jan 30, 2011 12:25:57 GMT
Iron, Lion, Zion, bye-bye, GONE
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Post by lee on Jan 30, 2011 21:25:00 GMT
was he not there tonight? can't say i noticed
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Post by Carnell on Jan 31, 2011 10:54:06 GMT
From the outside looking in, it would appear that they are far more concerned about the next 'meet the players' night than seeing their demi-gods bust a gut and produce some sweat for the cause. WTF? Just because we are part of the supporters club doesn't mean we dont care about the team. People who know me, know I am critical about the team, and the way things are run by the Panthers. The Supporters Club wasn't set up to be a go between for upset fans who want to vent their anger at certain players/staff. I'm sure the members of the NPSC would love to pay for a years membership only to let us know what they feel so we can email GM or Sarah with our views and who the next person to be sacked should be! Events/Away Travel have always been a part of the NPSC, so why wouldn't we be talking about dates for meet the player nights, or arranging prizes for the away trips? maybe we should arrange a "moan about the players night" where you are all invited to sit in a room (bring your laptops if you prefer) and moan about everything Panthers NPSC could actually collectively grow a pair You could do the same, come to the NPSC desk at the next home game and speak to us, but then again, you might want to do it over email? info@pantherssc.co.uk
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 5, 2011 11:39:17 GMT
She who is next to go then?
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Post by Shorty on Jan 12, 2016 23:02:51 GMT
This was a great thread, and with Iginlas story a quick google led to this thread.
Zion was replaced by top flop Van Hoof at the time.
Five years ago, and virtually the same things being posted from how bad the club is run to Clarke bring a waste of space and the Brits over rated.
Saddest thing of all though is how many of the posters do not contribute any more. A combination of being bored of the constant battering of the club and deciding to vote with their feet and find something else to do. Pretty much where we are now.
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Post by iginla on Jan 12, 2016 23:48:39 GMT
Indeed Shorty.
Sad to see all the people who have disappeared off the forum. And even sadder to see that Panthers have learned nothing and are still making the same old mistakes some four or five years later.
Jesus,what a donkey Jeremy van Hoof was and he was supposedly replacing a top Dman ! Still, I guess we waited for the right guy,it just wasn't him ! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 0:02:43 GMT
Some bedside reading, nice.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 13, 2016 0:15:14 GMT
"surely there is no way Corey can save his bacon??" Quote from page 1. 5 years on he's still here. Very much delivered some good times since then but now we are back full circle for many.
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 13, 2016 20:32:38 GMT
I cannot possibly think why all those people have left the forum, maybe they didn't agree with all the unnecessary negative posts and voted with their feet. It doesn't look like it did any good though.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 13, 2016 20:35:56 GMT
I cannot possibly think why all those people have left the forum, maybe they didn't agree with all the unnecessary negative posts and voted with their feet. It doesn't look like it did any good though. I know a few of those personally as friends and they are certainly not happy clappers in any shape or form.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 13, 2016 20:51:15 GMT
Classic panthers Groundhog Day.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 13, 2016 22:25:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure you can be arrested for digging up something this old, Shorty I cannot possibly think why all those people have left the forum, maybe they didn't agree with all the unnecessary negative posts and voted with their feet. It doesn't look like it did any good though. A lot of the posts from those we've sadly lost along the way are pretty negative. I particularly like the cut of this guy's jib: I can't think of any resons why the management (Gary Moran) shouldn't go Bring that guy back
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 13, 2016 22:58:01 GMT
I suppose it must be. but it doesn't seem like something I would have posted, as I am a life long happy clapper.
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