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Post by oldman on Jan 28, 2011 22:17:16 GMT
NPSC, as always, are particularly quiet but then it seems they have never 'rocked the boat'. As an organisation they could be quite a powerful tool for the fanbase but that would mean root and branch changes of 'personalities' who treat it as a means to get access to the team, using the veil of 'officialness' to avoid being considered a puck bunny/buck. Yep, you've hit the nail on the head there Kronwalled. The management have NPSC right where they want them. A self-sustaining band of fans who never ask questions and never actually challenge the club's top brass. Real 'roll over and tickle the belly' stuff. From the outside looking in, it would appear that they are far more concerned about the next 'meet the players' night than seeing their demi-gods bust a gut and produce some sweat for the cause. You're right, NPSC could actually collectively grow a pair and start justifiably giving the club a hard time and call people to account (like fans of teams in other sports do), but we all know that's the last thing on their list of priorities. I'm sure the all important planning of a raffle on the next away trip is a whole lot more crucial right now than giving Moran and Co some tricky questions to mull over. or not being funny you can all join the NPSC and change it from within better than moaning from outside to me!
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Post by oldman on Jan 28, 2011 22:22:48 GMT
So the club do exactly what the 'fans' have been wanting for a while now, and lo and behold this is being seen as just appeasing the fans. It seems to me untill Moran, Corey et al are ousted you might as well shut down this forum, because every thread seems to end up slagging them off, very boring. not sure about you, but i think the fans wanted honesty, professionalism, winning the title, have we got this or have they done this, if not then they have not come close to doing what we wanted yet, hence negativity over the boring GM dictates and a coach's laughable lame excuses for his own ineptness!
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jan 28, 2011 22:57:48 GMT
So the club do exactly what the 'fans' have been wanting for a while now, and lo and behold this is being seen as just appeasing the fans. It seems to me untill Moran, Corey et al are ousted you might as well shut down this forum, because every thread seems to end up slagging them off, very boring. +1 for some on here, whatever panthers do, it will always be wrong. Glass half full.
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Post by icehockeyrocks on Jan 28, 2011 23:04:24 GMT
Sorry folks but i think panthers are making a huge mistake getting rid off zion..i will truly miss him.wait and see!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 23:06:51 GMT
Don t expect to see a replacement come in, they ll go with what they have got, a stick Norton in his place, just you watch .
Then see CN finish the season a import short on top of his catologue of fudge ups this season !
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Post by lordsupermac on Jan 28, 2011 23:19:16 GMT
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Post by Mark on Jan 28, 2011 23:29:38 GMT
I'd say the management is panicing because they've thrown Zion to the wolves to appease the mob. This won't work however because it's them the mob want.
Agree about the supporters club though, far too cosy to be any use in garnering change at the Panthers. Too busy baking cakes for their favourite waste of space.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 28, 2011 23:30:57 GMT
not much in the way of constructive argument in favour of the current management there though PM66?... In all fairness, Tex... any time anyone DOES say something nice (or, when things are really bad, anything not highly-critical) about the Panthers management, they get shouted down... often quite unpleasantly. Hang on a minute... a refusal to accept criticism, a 'dictatorship of thought', a refusal to accept outside ideas, a habit of savaging people who disagree... aren't they traits for which GM is often criticised? Maybe the fans and the management aren't all that different...
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Post by lordsupermac on Jan 29, 2011 0:00:29 GMT
Agree about the supporters club though, far too cosy to be any use in garnering change at the Panthers. Too busy baking cakes for their favourite waste of space. You find that with every single supporters club in every single sport. Once they rub shoulders with whose in charge, loose all their bottle and in return brown nose the management.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jan 29, 2011 0:23:49 GMT
Interesting, this will certainly free up a considerable chunk of wages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 0:25:54 GMT
Interesting, this will certainly free up a considerable chunk of wages. he won t get replaced, these wages will stay in NB bank account
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Post by ab74 on Jan 29, 2011 0:33:10 GMT
if his contract gets terminated before it ends does he not get the remains of his wages?
for emaple, should you terminate someones contract before it ends, i believe u still have to pay them something, is it the same in this case?
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Post by lordsupermac on Jan 29, 2011 0:37:14 GMT
if his contract gets terminated before it ends does he not get the remains of his wages? for emaple, should you terminate someones contract before it ends, i believe u still have to pay them something, is it the same in this case? Yep, a form of compensation.
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Post by logeybear on Jan 29, 2011 0:45:29 GMT
if his contract gets terminated before it ends does he not get the remains of his wages? for emaple, should you terminate someones contract before it ends, i believe u still have to pay them something, is it the same in this case? Yep, a form of compensation. Won't be the remainder of his contract's pay though, a month at most I'd imagine.
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Post by texpef on Jan 29, 2011 0:47:51 GMT
if its a standard EIHL contract he will get the two weeks notice..
As for criticising management shaggy, didnt make an opinion on this thread one way or the other just thought PM66 who seems to be very much in favour of keeping the status Quo at panthers could put up some reasons as to why the management shouldnt go, afterall there are plenty of comments as to the reasons why they should...
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 29, 2011 10:37:49 GMT
I can't think of any resons why the management (Gary Moran) shouldn't go, providing he is replaced with somebody better. there is however no guarantee to this. As regards Corey, I have an open mind as I like his style of hockey but also agree that we should be better defensively. I do feel though that he gets unwarranted stick as regards his personna, as I feel he is misunderstood with his comments alot of the time. Nobody wants the Panthers to succeed more than me and if it takes changes at the top so be it, as long as it takes the club forward.
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Post by tigercat2 on Jan 29, 2011 16:30:14 GMT
Zion was talented fact, as most Panthers players are, maybe he disrespected a truly pathetic coach who just cannot get people to play. Also his head is frighteningly long.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jan 29, 2011 17:00:42 GMT
I can't think of any resons why the management (Gary Moran) shouldn't go, providing he is replaced with somebody better. there is however no guarantee to this. As regards Corey, I have an open mind as I like his style of hockey but also agree that we should be better defensively. I do feel though that he gets unwarranted stick as regards his personna, as I feel he is misunderstood with his comments alot of the time. Nobody wants the Panthers to succeed more than me and if it takes changes at the top so be it, as long as it takes the club forward. I agree with what you say about Neilson, and I do feel a bit sorry for him. GM is the problem that then breeds other problems. Neilson's time is definitely up but I do think he gets a lot of unwarranted stick (and I count myself as being guilty of it). The problem is that his persona and the perceived problems with it don't look great at times like this, it accentuates the bad elements.
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Post by tigercat2 on Jan 29, 2011 17:09:11 GMT
Just need to end the embarrassment for all concerned, I cant say for sure whats wrong, but when the most supporters, most money, highest wage bill, best arena, and most and possibly best players adds up to being 4th best, things have to change, and I dont mean Zion out.
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Post by howeaboutthat on Jan 29, 2011 17:40:55 GMT
Just need to end the embarrassment for all concerned, I cant say for sure whats wrong, but when the most supporters, most money, highest wage bill, best arena, and most and possibly best players adds up to being 4th best, things have to change, and I dont mean Zion out. I'm not sure we have the highest wage bill. Have you see the players the three teams above Panthers have? Don't believe the tosh about 'uni deals'. Ex-NHLers don't play for peanuts and a few lectures at a tarted-up polytechnic.
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Post by Dan on Jan 29, 2011 17:52:00 GMT
We need to blow this entire team up, starting this summer. Next year we go at it with a fresh start, an almost-entirely clean slate. There's a dry rot of mediocrity set in at the Panthers and nobody is willing to do anything about it except string out the odd repetitive soundbite. I can genuinely say i'd only bring back Lepine, Ryan and the Brits for next year. New coach, new team, new kit manufacturers, new stick man, new physio, new everything. Hell, maybe even a new GM. We're doing well in a financial sense, but everywhere else we're a shambles. This club ought to dominate. We ought to be the Manchester United of hockey. Instead, we're more like Newcastle United, a joke.
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Post by howeaboutthat on Jan 29, 2011 17:58:41 GMT
You'd bring back all the Brits?
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Post by Dan on Jan 29, 2011 18:02:14 GMT
Clarke, Lacho, Myers, Meyers for sure, especially if the rumoured import decrease happens.
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Post by Ghost on Jan 29, 2011 18:07:03 GMT
What about k-wall?
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 29, 2011 18:14:00 GMT
Blow it all up, everything. Start with a director of Hockey who has 10-20 years high level experience. make the buck stop with him. Let him appoint the Coach and GM if we need them. Let him pick all the players, the ones he wants.
Lets do it NHL style.
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