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Post by dodit on Jan 28, 2011 13:46:26 GMT
Man you lot have short memories. Everyone was singing his praises when we signed him and before he was injured. He never regained his form afterwards. One of the best offensive d-men I've seen at the Panthers pre-injury. It's hardly like he decided to get injured is it. But if injury stops you performing to your ability you should either sit it out until fully fit or take some time out, recover and look for a new job.
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Post by Ghost on Jan 28, 2011 13:46:45 GMT
Well what's the point in releasing Zion now. You've kept an average team up untill now, costing us the league, and now is the time to get rid?! Yeah, right.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 28, 2011 13:48:30 GMT
Man you lot have short memories. Everyone was singing his praises when we signed him and before he was injured. He never regained his form afterwards. One of the best offensive d-men I've seen at the Panthers pre-injury. It's hardly like he decided to get injured is it. But if injury stops you performing to your ability you should either sit it out until fully fit or take some time out, recover and look for a new job. Exactly. Plodding along with a dead weight dragging us (even further) back has been pretty stupid. Should have got shot ages ago. +1. Panthers always have the fine words, let's see some action.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 28, 2011 13:48:30 GMT
Was Zion lazy, or still playing injured? I don't know - anyone know for sure? (And that's "know", not guess, assume or believe some guy down the pub...)
I'd have the Zion from the beginning of the season back in a heartbeat - even with his defensive frailties, his offensive magic more than made up for it. But after he got injured... it's like it was a different player in that shirt.
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Post by icebandit on Jan 28, 2011 13:51:15 GMT
You never know what goes off behind the scenes, which could have changed things too.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 28, 2011 13:52:12 GMT
Zion was great until his injury, not sure what went wrong from then on. If he was carrying an injury, we had a spare import, rest him? If he wasn't playing well for no good reason, we should have got rid ages ago.
Just bad management, better have a solid stay home D-man lined up. Get on your knees and give Toneys a grovelling phone call.
TBH just cut all the deadwood and go into the playoffs short benched and use young Brits, (and you know how much I usually moan about the young Brits). Set a marker of what is acceptable and the concequences.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 28, 2011 13:53:38 GMT
Here's a thought... could it be that we might be better off without a replacement for Zion?
This team has got numbers (how many games have we had a shorter bench than the opposition?) and it has the talent. What it appears to be lacking - amongst other things, granted - is the motivation.
So... how about a bit of the old 'backs to the wall' motivation? How many times have we seen teams line up against us with 3, 4, 5 or even more outskaters fewer in their line-up... and give us a good hard game, even taking both points of us?
If players not working hard enough is part of the problem, maybe they should be made to work harder... by having to play more.
Just a thought...
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Post by Paul on Jan 28, 2011 13:58:02 GMT
The whole thing smacks of a facing saving attempt to me. The management looked who was getting the most abuse for playing badly and they're the ones to go because it was the easiest and quickest way to appease the fans.
All they've done since we lost in Newcastle is attempt to get themselves out of the mire. Was the fact that it was Galbraith that gave the "interview" a happy coincidence? Maybe it was but it reeks of Panthers media micro management.
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Post by BigLad on Jan 28, 2011 14:02:11 GMT
Am a tad gutted as the Zion pre-injury was a joy to watch. Strange timing though. Must have someone lined up. Another Lepine please!!!
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Post by jerome29 on Jan 28, 2011 14:06:38 GMT
I'd have the Zion from the beginning of the season back in a heartbeat - even with his defensive frailties,
That's it Shaggy, we all would. I think he is still injured IMO, if he had not of got injured we would all be singing his praises still IMO
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Post by dodit on Jan 28, 2011 14:07:14 GMT
Here's a thought... could it be that we might be better off without a replacement for Zion? This team has got numbers (how many games have we had a shorter bench than the opposition?) and it has the talent. What it appears to be lacking - amongst other things, granted - is the motivation. So... how about a bit of the old 'backs to the wall' motivation? How many times have we seen teams line up against us with 3, 4, 5 or even more outskaters fewer in their line-up... and give us a good hard game, even taking both points of us? If players not working hard enough is part of the problem, maybe they should be made to work harder... by having to play more. Just a thought... My thinking behind not replacing him though is thet if we lose another defenceman this season through injury, we are in major trouble in my opinion. People have noticed that Danny's been playing through the pain barrier and it has also come to our attention that he has delayed any operation on his shoulder until the season is out. Now what if Danny was to take another blow to that shoulder and it puts him out for the season, then what? I'd be slightly worried, especially with how we've been shipping goals and leaving CK out to dry all season. I for one don't think it will do us any harm in bringing in a stay at home defenceman one bit.
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Post by jerome29 on Jan 28, 2011 14:07:43 GMT
If we get Weller from Cardiff though I won't be complaining
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Post by Warren on Jan 28, 2011 14:11:32 GMT
2 way player to be signed to take the Shmyr / Bergin role of playing both Defence and Forward?
For me its too late. a change was needed well before this, possibly during Chrsitmas to stop the rot of Dec / Jan continuing.
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Post by oldtimehockey on Jan 28, 2011 14:36:52 GMT
Thats by far the best news I've heard all week.... The undercover Steeler is no more...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 14:48:20 GMT
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Post by ryan on Jan 28, 2011 15:34:05 GMT
Good its about time too...the lady sat behind me in block 6 will be really happy with that news!
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Post by crosby007 on Jan 28, 2011 15:47:58 GMT
If we sign a replacement what quality will we get? Clubs don’t sack or release the best players. Shaggy does have a point in the backs to the wall and motivation.
I would look a lot closer to home for a replacement and give one of the lads from the Lions a chance; at least they would give all they had.
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Post by oldtimehockey on Jan 28, 2011 15:55:21 GMT
From "Zion is Gone"
"Let’s face it, our defence now consists of an over the hill egomaniac, the league’s most wanted man, a decent Euro, a landscape gardener with a knackered shoulder, a good up and coming British defenceman with a lot still to learn and Graham Norton!"
;D
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Post by Paul on Jan 28, 2011 16:02:59 GMT
From "Zion is Gone" "Let’s face it, our defence now consists of an over the hill egomaniac, the league’s most wanted man, a decent Euro, a landscape gardener with a knackered shoulder, a good up and coming British defenceman with a lot still to learn and Graham Norton!" ;D +1 It's a good line that is ;D ;D ;D
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Post by tecpuldis on Jan 28, 2011 16:03:44 GMT
It's sad really. Goes from being the best player in a Panthers shirt, looking like he could win every game by himself to being the worst player in a panthers shirt who can't even stand up.
Pleased that some action has been taken, albeit too late, maybe give the other players a kick where they deserve one.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jan 28, 2011 16:06:20 GMT
Agree with Jono 100%. Knee jerk reaction from a club that makes itself look more reactive and clueless with every passing day.
Too little, too late and still the main problems are continuing in their roles.
Stop the rot!
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Post by heja on Jan 28, 2011 16:15:13 GMT
Agree with Jono 100%. Knee jerk reaction from a club that makes itself look more reactive and clueless with every passing day. Too little, too late and still the main problems are continuing in their roles. Stop the rot! he was playing poor hockey, basically because he was over handling the puck but that all comes from the way Corey sets up his teams. If they wanted to play short handed for the rest of the season and really send a message they should have got rid of Jade Galbraith, Arguably our best player and has a real reason to be sack. That would send much more of a message than sacking Zion.
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2011 16:17:53 GMT
What a bloody disappointment he was. Looked a world-beater for three weeks and couldn't be bothered afterwards. He's the personification of every single Panthers season.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jan 28, 2011 16:18:53 GMT
Agree with Jono 100%. Knee jerk reaction from a club that makes itself look more reactive and clueless with every passing day. Too little, too late and still the main problems are continuing in their roles. Stop the rot! he was playing poor hockey, basically because he was over handling the puck but that all comes from the way Corey sets up his teams. If they wanted to play short handed for the rest of the season and really send a message they should have got rid of Jade Galbraith, Arguably our best player and has a real reason to be sack. That would send much more of a message than sacking Zion. Oh I agree, don't get me wrong, I don't think Zion was on top form or anything but this is a bit like pulling a few brown leaves off a tree that's rotting to its very core. Zion isn't the first player to nosedive after a few months of exposure to Neilson's coaching. just reading the press release on the website shows how reactive this is. It may as well say "Gary and Corey have been reading the cage and here is our response". Jeez, I thought a week in Toronto was depressing on the hockey front and I come back to this! Thank God for Billy Davies, keeping me from self harming right now!
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Post by ted logan on Jan 28, 2011 16:30:07 GMT
It's sad really. Goes from being the best player in a Panthers shirt, looking like he could win every game by himself to being the worst player in a panthers shirt who can't even stand up. Agreed - never seen such a rapid decline in one player in the same season. As I posted before it's sad in a way as i see this as losing the player that started the season and not the one that struggled (for whatever reason) after the injury. The word 'scapegoat' could be used as there are plenty of other candidates for the chop based on the past 2 months performances. Jonathan Zion is not the reason that this team/club is in a mess right now. He's contributed to it and to his own downfall but I honestly believe a major review of how the entire orgainisation is run is a must but I won't hold my breath. Even if this did happen then it would be done by self-serving individuals on the inside whose self-preservation would be their No.1 priority and that attitude is sucking the life out of the club. I hope that turning up for match nights doesn't become a chore; I went through a phase like that watching Forest years ago and never got that 'buzz' back. Staying away right now isn't an option for me but as this season lurches from one disaster to another I find my feet getting heavier as I walk to the NIC. Sort this mess out Panthers and quickly.
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