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Post by texpef on Oct 15, 2007 11:03:11 GMT
I dont know where you went to school or even if you are still there, but on this forum we speak ENGLISH not some wierd half language.... I thought you lot down the road would understand it better. p.s. Is this better for you biotch? This is not funny, please read the rules of this forum. If you dont like them please stick to the sheffield ones where they may understand you better and tolerate that childish behaviour...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2007 11:04:23 GMT
I haven't had the time to read the whole thread, but I wanted to ask one question: It seemed to me the first Steelers goal went in after Rasti saved a shot resulting in him lying in the goal and never getting up again. He seemed to be basking in his own glorey and then whooosh, it was behind him! (as they all chant regularly) When he did get up he appeared to be un-injured and only ashamed. What was that all about? why did he just lay there? According to the Post report, he thought he had the puck frozen underneath him!!
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 15, 2007 11:10:39 GMT
I haven't had the time to read the whole thread, but I wanted to ask one question: It seemed to me the first Steelers goal went in after Rasti saved a shot resulting in him lying in the goal and never getting up again. He seemed to be basking in his own glorey and then whooosh, it was behind him! (as they all chant regularly) When he did get up he appeared to be un-injured and only ashamed. What was that all about? why did he just lay there? he was not basking in his glory. he didn't know where the puck was and thought it was underneath him so was waiting for the whistle, hence lying there. it happens rarely in EIHL hockey (only seen it once before), but you see it more often in NHL.
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Post by Andy C #69 on Oct 15, 2007 11:36:36 GMT
Oh right, gotcha. No prob's then. I thought he knew it was out in open ice and stayed down. lol
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Post by Rhino#13 on Oct 15, 2007 12:11:18 GMT
I'm not gonna deseminate the whole game, but we tried hard and were thwarted by Lehman being absolutely on fire. He made about three top drawer saves, one of which was hands down the best save I have ever seen. He makes one or maybe two saves and then, with his whole body going the wrong way, he manages to twist and get his stick arm down on the line as the shot comes in to stop it. Amazing. Credit where its due really. Not surprised in the slightest he got the MOM.
Unlucky Rasto thought the puck was under him for that goal where he did the dying fly. After the 1st save, you need your defence to tidy up quicker.
I was gutted, but 5 minutes later on the concourse I'm cheering as Jonny puts us in the World Cup final and both sets of fans then walk out singing 'ENG-ER-LAND'. Probably the most bizarre end to a Panthers v Steelers game I have ever experienced LOL.
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Post by MP on Oct 15, 2007 12:26:44 GMT
One thing I forgot to mention last night - let's get Randall Weber in to teach them how to clear the zone. We were awful at it. Don't get me started Kim! We are hopeless at clearing the zone - season after season. If I was coach I'd have them practicing it hour after hour until they could get the puck out to centre from anywhere given a half chance. Shocking play by us time and time again. As for the game, the most entertaining Panthers v Steelers game I've seen in awhile - an enjoyable hockey game which even the result didn't spoil too much. Lehman played well but had an easier time than Rasto - he had a good view of most of the shots coming into him and a defence to shield his rebounds. Rasto had to contend with traffic and poor protection which cost us two goals and I don't attach any real blame to him for either of them. Lehman is fragile and can be wound up - another trick we missed. I thought the hit by Thomas on Neilson was low and should have been called but without seeing a replay I couldn't be categorical about it. That aside (and the handling of the penalties arising from it) I thought Nigel Boniface had a good game - and it's not often I say that! To me, Shymr did the right thing by declining Cornish's invitation - at that time we did still have some control on the game and accepting the fight (even with a clear win) would have given Steelers momentum in my view. Some nice puck movement on the PP but the shots are too slow in coming giving the goalie time to reset. Neilson our best player again for me - his attitude and ability continue to impress. We should have buried them in the first period but over all we weren't good enough to justify the win and in the end couldn't defend well enough to make a draw.
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Post by thfnick on Oct 15, 2007 13:48:03 GMT
To me, Shmyr did the right thing by declining Cornish's invitation - at that time we did still have some control on the game and accepting the fight (even with a clear win) would have given Steelers momentum in my view. But Steelers got the momentum after the incident anyway. Whether it was Cornish jee'ing up his team mates or Shymr's wobbly leg routine the whole game switched after that one incident. Steelers were hanging on up until then, after the incident only one team wanted to win and it wasn't your boys.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Oct 15, 2007 15:10:47 GMT
oldman, i criticized Bergin on several points, being slow, not getting in anyones face and not being physical at all. these are three things that are not affected by a player just joining a team, in fact id of thought on his home debut in front of a packed house he would have give that bit more.
what the hell is wrong with that? look out for a negative comment and then slate the person for it, im as much entitled to my opinion as you are whether it be positive or negative
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Post by oldman on Oct 15, 2007 17:38:58 GMT
coudnt agree more bramley and if i think your comment is wrong i have the same right to comment on it, first game against steelers is not quite the same as say judging a guy after 5-6 games surely, knee-jerk comment or what, some of the knee-jerkers last season wanted cory out round about now, would that have been a wise move?
Basically i dont make instant judgements because i find people that do are either very perceptive or end up with egg on their face and backtracking on their initial comments!
BTW cannot understand why anyone would slate a new guy after one performance in a high tempo game, thought perhaps fans would think hey a new guy lets encourage him because as it is his first game will get better when he is used to the moves etc!
But hey bramley that is just my opinion so deal with it ok!
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Post by loveday on Oct 15, 2007 18:41:46 GMT
You can see it again , the incident was on BBC East Midlands News tonight at 6.30pm. You can go on the BBC web page and have another look at it. Nothing is quite as you remember it. Thomas appears to have turned 'turtle' after he "took out " Corey. Corey was trying to pick him up with his shirt. Well thats how I saw it anyway. Have a look yourself.
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Post by cc77 on Oct 15, 2007 19:41:14 GMT
no its alright dawn it was just some other herbet said my block 17 sucks thats all i was trying to suggest you get muppets in every block! Thats ok then i`ll let you off.
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Post by Jay on Oct 15, 2007 19:53:02 GMT
I'm not a herbet, it was me that didnt enjoy block 17, i guess its ok if you're in row A-D maybe but where i was i only saw about 3 panthers shirts and no one was chanting or clapping hardly.
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Post by oldman on Oct 15, 2007 19:59:45 GMT
so as i am in row c it is ok then, and were does it say you need to wear the shirt to support the team?, i have a rangers and coyotes as well as my panthers shirt!
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Post by Jay on Oct 15, 2007 20:06:39 GMT
I didnt mean it like that, it just looked asif no one seemed interested, that was the view i had anyway, the fact that people went oh i think they just scored etc to me gives off the impression they arent really paying attention, then again that doesnt go for everyone in the block, I was just sat in a crap spot i suppose, serves me right for buying my tickets on the thursday before the game.
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Post by oldman on Oct 15, 2007 20:12:01 GMT
depends were you sit though anywhere and a game like shuff you will get some one game a season people in every block, not having a go but 17 includes a lot of actual coaches from the nic!
so lots of people that understand the game in block 17 rather than the hype and they may seem quiet but studying the play ok
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Post by Jay on Oct 15, 2007 20:14:29 GMT
Yeah i guess so, I'm normally in block 11 with the Rasto Chanters but I took too long getting my ticket as stated previously.
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Post by oldman on Oct 15, 2007 20:32:44 GMT
no probs pal
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Post by ted on Oct 15, 2007 22:54:40 GMT
15, 16 and 17 are a library, Next to no atmosphere.... you are looked at like a leper for even daring to suggest making some noise.
Thats why Tim likes it so much
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Post by Rich on Oct 16, 2007 7:32:50 GMT
Use this link: www.bbc.co.uk/eastmidlandstoday/Click on watch again anytime today to see it showing the goals and the Neilson incident. First goal was as bad as it seemed, im sure someone must have been able to tell Rasto hes not got it and to get back up. Second goal, typical crash the net(wipe out the netminder aswell). Teams are going to take runs at our goalie like that night in night out thanks to our D doing nothing about it. We lost a point last week to bstoke due to Cruikshank running the goalie on the way to the net and theres another point lost. If you do things like that on Rees's shift youll end up hurt. Krajicek didnt do anything physically but always stood up for his goalie. This season we just tell Rasto to calm down and get on with it.
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Post by MP on Oct 16, 2007 9:17:16 GMT
First goal was as bad as it seemed, im sure someone must have been able to tell Rasto hes not got it and to get back up. Even if someone told Rasto the puck was loose I don't see how he could have got up from prone in less than the two seconds it took Tait to lift the puck into the net. More to the point, where was the defence - Tait should not have been all alone in the slot with time to pick his spot.
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Post by SURF96 on Oct 16, 2007 11:36:09 GMT
First goal was as bad as it seemed, im sure someone must have been able to tell Rasto hes not got it and to get back up. Even if someone told Rasto the puck was loose I don't see how he could have got up from prone in less than the two seconds it took Tait to lift the puck into the net.. First goal was bad. I've supported Rasto when the knives were out but to me ,sitting directly on the goal line, he did enjoy a degree of theatrics which resulted in him not getting up in time. There were more than 2 seconds between his first save and the goal but he was 'flapping around the floor like a fish' (as some people have said). I wholeheartedly agree that the D should have cleared it (there were 3 of them present if memory serves) but Rasto should have made less of a song and dance about the first save to allow him to be ready for what might happen next.
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Post by Rhino#13 on Oct 16, 2007 11:44:14 GMT
Rasto didn't get up in time because he wasn't trying to. If a netminder genuinely thinks they have the puck underneath them, they will lie still as a corpse and wait for the whistle. Whistle never came and he was still flat when the loose puck got flipped over him. Bad error, but then I have no idea how easy or hard it is for an NM to tell when they're on the puck or not. The D should have been at least in the same area code. Like you say, the attacker had about 2 seconds to shape up and roof it.
If someone had shouted him, at least he could've had time to sit up and use his arms to make the net less empty.
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Post by texpef on Oct 16, 2007 11:54:22 GMT
This is still talking about a minor incident during the game though, yes it ended in a goal but come on guys we scored a single solitary lonely goal on home ice, how does anyone expect to win an ice hockey game in this country scoring ONE goal....
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Post by SURF96 on Oct 16, 2007 12:19:15 GMT
This is still talking about a minor incident during the game though, yes it ended in a goal but come on guys we scored a single solitary lonely goal on home ice, how does anyone expect to win an ice hockey game in this country scoring ONE goal.... Very good point
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Post by sambo79 on Oct 16, 2007 13:02:39 GMT
If the Defence hadn't gone walkabouts, we might not have conceded that first goal. Then the second we've let Tait go free again. Just shows how we have to concentrate for the whole game and not let quality players have that much time to themselves.
On another note, we scored one goal and that was on that stupid long pass thing which we've started to do way too often. I know it's worked a couple of times for PC but I thought our forwards were good enough to cut through defences with slick passing and speed, not the 'long ball' tactic we're implementing at the moment.
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