Panthers-Steelers post game thread

[KimThePanther]

I thought we played the better hockey in the 2nd and 3rd period Tunny, Steelers just wanted it more.

[Nemesis]

Goalies must go for game and match, and bizarrely 5 min major.
10 minute major and you can nominate any player on the ice at the time.
A loophole that needs closing IMO, and that comes from me.....a nettie. (Well, sort of! LOL)

[tootoo]

totally agree with jay ... any other team at home this season and we'd beat them ... not sure whether, when it comes to steelers games, it's a mental thing with our players but they need to sort it out and quick ... i'm almost resigned to the fact that we're going to lose before each game we play agianst the steelers ... i don't understand it ... btw, does the new guy, kevin bergin remind anyone of ed courtney?

[dp]

Had to leave after 10 minutes of the second with Panthers 1-0 up, and it sounds as though I was lucky.

One thing about Lehman though - people must remember the absolute domination Craighead had over him. Lehman looked almost scared to save his shots...and so ended up just letting them all in.

I remember Craighead scoring a couple of times against him and skating right up to him and literally roaring in his face. Lehman's obviously very easily flappable and intimidated - why are we not doing this every single game?? In fact, why aren't all teams?!!

[crazykeeper]

yea i agree with nem the rule about netties not serving misconducts is stupid as the penalty is against them. And dp i think macca has the same sort of effect whenever hes on a break away against lehman he seems helpless.

[Deleted]

Same old, same old.

Different season, same outcome.

Can't really criticise any of the players, just the usual regular season result against the Steelers.

Oh well, at least England won the rugby & football and Forest won!

[Number 9.1]

Flashes of this and that but, in the end, cack. We're one month into the season and we have nothing - not even that much-cherished (in some quarters, at any rate) unbeaten record against average-to-poor teams on home ice - left to shout about. The defence is weak (in every sense of the word), the forward lines are haphazard and the attitude is poor. If that really was the best your team has managed against Sheffield under your stewardship, Mike Ellis, it simply isn't good enough.

[Dan]

Ellis says he couldn't ask for more from his players.

That's rubbish. A win would be a pretty decent thing to ask for.

[Star]

Whatever else happened tonight I expected an incredible charged up atmosphere in the NIC tonight and I wasn't disappointed

First period looked promising. Lots of good attempts at scoring and one goal for their efforts. Except I didn't actually see it because someone needed to squeeze past my seat at *just* the wrong moment

Second period, not much to be proud of really.

Third period I think it could have gone either way really and unfortunately it just wasn't to be the Panthers turn to shine tonight. But that was when I discovered the highlight of the evening... the 'unofficial' cheerleaders in one of the boxes above block 16 - priceless ;D

[mattscold]

About the hit on corey, I personally thought it was a dirty hit and the guy (didn't catch his name) deserved a pasting, he went in far to low and caught Neilson on the legs, which with a hip check you aren't supposed to do! Thats my take on it anyway!

[LooseChippings]

nemesis1 said:

Goalies must go for game and match, and bizarrely 5 min major.
10 minute major and you can nominate any player on the ice at the time.
A loophole that needs closing IMO, and that comes from me.....a nettie. (Well, sort of! LOL)

A goalkeeper never goes to the penalty bench! (Rule 511)

Check Page 55 of the IIHF Rule Book for the Table of Penalties.

[mattscold]

Theres also an issue here, i thought it was an automatic game for leaving the crease?

[LooseChippings]

mattscold said:

Theres also an issue here, i thought it was an automatic game for leaving the crease?

Nope, 2 Minute Minor.

[Nemesis]

Game for coming over the centre line.

[Lord of the Rinks]

mattscold said:

Theres also an issue here, i thought it was an automatic game for leaving the crease?

Crossing the halfway line = game, remember Wooly going to Lehman when Cruicker was replaced at our place a couple of seasons ago.

I think the player who went in low on CN was Thomas, it was he who came to the bench with blood from a wound above his eye.

Maybe that came about when CN was helping him up, then pushing him down again

[mattscold]

lordoftherinks said:

mattscold said:

Theres also an issue here, i thought it was an automatic game for leaving the crease?

Crossing the halfway line = game, remember Wooly going to Lehman when Cruicker was replaced at our place a couple of seasons ago.

I think the player who went in low on CN was Thomas, it was he who came to the bench with blood from a wound above his eye.

Maybe that came about when CN was helping him up, then pushing him down again

Oh that clears it up thanks!

[Nemesis]

loosechippings said:

nemesis1 said:

Goalies must go for game and match, and bizarrely 5 min major.
10 minute major and you can nominate any player on the ice at the time.
A loophole that needs closing IMO, and that comes from me.....a nettie. (Well, sort of! LOL)

A goalkeeper never goes to the penalty bench! (Rule 511)

Check Page 55 of the IIHF Rule Book for the Table of Penalties.

Correct, however owing to a quirk in the wording of other related rules, hypothetically a goalie could be asked to sit out a 5 minute major. Totaly impratical for netties to sit minors as you have said on THF, they could though sit the longer majors IMO as you have to wait for a break in play to come back on anyway; and these days the backups are dressed and ready to go. The rule apparently dates back to teams only having 1 goalie.

This confusion caused a 15 minute delay at this years rec fest when one of the keepers got called a 5 min major and one of the refs (Evans?) tried to get him off the ice. In the end they had decided to up the pen to a 10 minute and get another player to sit it out. Now I accept that this was in large due to inept officiating but if the wording was sorted this confusion wouldn't occur in the first place.

This and another couple of anomalies are discussed ad-nauseam on some of the US officiating forums. Wouldn't take much to iron them out.

[Rich]

tunster said:

pantherrich said:

You tried but we had obviously worked on how break it down and hit plays up to a high guy who help up the breakout and worked it from there or broke in on a breakaway. Then 2nd and 3rd period steelers (a goal down without their trap working)came out and played hockey. Was a good game if it wasnt for the scoreline from a panthers POV

Great explanation riggers , so in the 2nd and 3rd periods we actually played hockey and you didnt murder us like some have said .
interesting.

If we had murdered you Tunny we would not have lost the game 2-1
Although I blame the D (one in particular) and Rasto not being the netminder our team needs youve got to say weve only let2 in and only scored 1, that (if your at the game) its our forwards fault.

End of the day it was a very close game, 2mins to go it could go either way but I looked at Jody, looked at Rasto and said to the person at the side of me 'were gonna lose this' and sure enough up pops Ash again and we blow it!

[crowder]

lordoftherinks said:

mattscold said:

I think the player who went in low on CN was Thomas, it was he who came to the bench with blood from a wound above his eye.

Maybe that came about when CN was helping him up, then pushing him down again

I can well believe that Neilson battered Thomas

MT is no kind of tough guy...Cruikshank flattened him too

He did however, get the better of Gavin Farrand, a few years back

[glow=red,2,300]Crowder[/glow]

[LooseChippings]

nemesis1 said:

Game for coming over the centre line.

No such penalty!

It is a 2 Minute Minor for participating in play over the centre red line.

[Helen]

Before I start with the game I was disappointed by something that happened before it - our announcer declaring how we had basically got one over on Steelers by having the playoffs in Notts. Cheap shot.

Now, the game!

I'll stick my neck out and say that Steelers didn't deserve to win last night. Mind you, we weren't much better, but I felt there was barely anything in it. We lost for 2 reasons - Lehman, and Corey's penalty near the end.

Now I'm not saying that we're league champions or world beaters, beacause even with the most rosiest of tinted glasses I don't think anyone could say we look like that at the moment. But taking the game on its own, out of the context of the season, it was between two average sides and the outcome was almost impossible to call (except, of course, for the fact that I knew we'd lose because its Steelers and at the moment it seems inevitable!)

First period - Our best period, as it so often seems to be this season. The team seemed fired up, and I thought finally, finally we have a team that seems to realise the important of beating Sheffield. Felt we edged and and would have had a couple more had it not been for Lehman, who was immense.

Second period - Everything fell apart a bit, again as it always seems to at the moment. Rasto made a couple of great saves, then that awful moment when he was down on the ice and thought he had it...I saw the puck slip free and it was obvious that our D were either clueless or couldnt get to it in time. And there was Ash Tait who probably couldn't believe his luck.

As for the fracas in the middle - livened things up and was like a classic old Steelers game! Cornish switched with Manzano so he was with Ryan at the faceoff and was stood going "do you wanna go Ryan? Wanna go?" Ryan was shaking his head and skated off, followed by Cornish who was digging at him trying to make him go and then did that ridiculous chicken dance. I was proud of Ryan for not rising to it; wait until the game is won and then paste the cocky little **** ! Then Cornish started to goad our bench, and after the Neilson incident Steelers spent a good five minutes trying to wind us up, most noticeably Finnerty with Wallenberg. We started to rise to it but luckily things settled down - I reckon if we'd had a couple more hot headed players all hell would have broken loose.

Third period - Panthers pressure at the start, then the last ten minutes it was great, tense, end to end hockey. It may not have been flashy, greatly skilled hockey but I found it entertaining (if ridiculously nerve wracking). Then Corey got that penalty and it was like we were playing to a script, its happened time and time again. No matter how poor a side Steelers have you can never give them an inch, as they will inevitably capitalise on the slighest opportunity.

I suppose there isn't much else to say - we lost, am gutted, but not surprised. A few players that stood out:

Mac - can't say enough good things about him. Again stood out as one of the only players looking like scoring, but as someone said earlier he can't do it all on his own.

Corey - again, can't praise him enough!!! I bet he's beating himself up over that penalty.

Myers - worked immensely hard all night. However, it concerns me that a) his line with PC and Bergin looked incredibly poor, fingers crossed they just need time to "gel" with the new guy? and b) PLAY HIM AT CENTRE!!! Please!

Molin - invisible. Disappointing as he shone in the game he got his hat trick.

Wallenberg - didn't stand out as much as he has done previously, but never stopped working.

PC - AAAGGH! So frustrating. I thought maybe he'd rise to the occasion last night - he was here for the bench clearance, he was here the season after when we still had Baz and they still had Allison and the rivalry was still intense. But nope, he has never looked less like scoring.

Bergin - tried to keep an eye on the new guy, didn't particularly stand out but hopefully he'll find his feet. Seems a much less gritty player than Shep and more like hes looking for the easy goal but time will tell.

Danny - My last game was two weeks ago and I was getting increasingly worried about Danny - looked a shadow of the player he was last season. But last night my fears were alleviated - he looks great.

Pele - Bearing in mind hes our only player new to the UK, this is one player I would say "got" last night. He seemed to realise that right, this is the big one - no matter what people say about the rivalry not being alive any more, Steelers are the team we have to beat. Looked totally fired up by the atmosphere and a couple of times was just looking up into the stands grinning. As for our goal, you'd have thought he scored it he was so chuffed!


Now to Edinburgh - everything is crossed!

[ted]

it wasnt a stand up fight.... THomas came low.... was flat on the ice with CN on top of him and Neilson just carried on raining blows down on him.

No why cant ryan do that sort of thing. I wouldnt say anyone won or lost cos it was hardly a contest

[LooseChippings]

nemesis1 said:

loosechippings said:

A goalkeeper never goes to the penalty bench! (Rule 511)

Check Page 55 of the IIHF Rule Book for the Table of Penalties.

Correct, however owing to a quirk in the wording of other related rules, hypothetically a goalie could be asked to sit out a 5 minute major. Totaly impratical for netties to sit minors as you have said on THF, they could though sit the longer majors IMO as you have to wait for a break in play to come back on anyway; and these days the backups are dressed and ready to go. The rule apparently dates back to teams only having 1 goalie.

This confusion caused a 15 minute delay at this years rec fest when one of the keepers got called a 5 min major and one of the refs (Evans?) tried to get him off the ice. In the end they had decided to up the pen to a 10 minute and get another player to sit it out. Now I accept that this was in large due to inept officiating but if the wording was sorted this confusion wouldn't occur in the first place.

This and another couple of anomalies are discussed ad-nauseam on some of the US officiating forums. Wouldn't take much to iron them out.

In the IIHF Rulebook there is no such thing as a 5 Minute Major.

The only 5 Minute penalties are those that go hand in hand with the Major (Game Misconduct) and Match (Both penalties are ejection from the game) and the 5s are served by a player that was on the ice at the time of the offence.

There is no where in the IIHF Rulebook for a Netminder to sit any kind of penalty!

[Nemesis]

loosechippings said:

nemesis1 said:

Correct, however owing to a quirk in the wording of other related rules, hypothetically a goalie could be asked to sit out a 5 minute major. Totaly impratical for netties to sit minors as you have said on THF, they could though sit the longer majors IMO as you have to wait for a break in play to come back on anyway; and these days the backups are dressed and ready to go. The rule apparently dates back to teams only having 1 goalie.

This confusion caused a 15 minute delay at this years rec fest when one of the keepers got called a 5 min major and one of the refs (Evans?) tried to get him off the ice. In the end they had decided to up the pen to a 10 minute and get another player to sit it out. Now I accept that this was in large due to inept officiating but if the wording was sorted this confusion wouldn't occur in the first place.

This and another couple of anomalies are discussed ad-nauseam on some of the US officiating forums. Wouldn't take much to iron them out.

In the IIHF Rulebook there is no such thing as a 5 Minute Major.

The only 5 Minute penalties are those that go hand in hand with the Major (Game Misconduct) and Match (Both penalties are ejection from the game) and the 5s are served by a player that was on the ice at the time of the offence.

There is no where in the IIHF Rulebook for a Netminder to sit any kind of penalty!

Exactly my point....

[Nemesis]

This is the part that lead to the confusion at rec fest...

SECTION 7. a. A goalkeeper shall not be sent to the penalty bench for an
offense which incurs a minor penalty. Instead, the captain of the offending
team shall designate another member of the team who was on the ice when
the offense was committed to serve the penalty, and such substitute shall
not be changed.
b. If a goalkeeper incurs a major or misconduct penalty, the goalkeeper
shall serve the time penalty; but a substitute player in goalkeeper’s
equipment shall be allowed in the game replacing some other player.
When a major penalty is assessed, a player without goalkeeper’s equipment
shall go to the penalty bench with the goalkeeper and shall go on
the ice in place of the penalized goalkeeper when the penalty time has
expired. The penalized goalkeeper may not leave the penalty bench
until the first stoppage in play after the expiration of the penalty.

This is the kind of wording that needs cleaning up. It also backs up your point about it only being a minor for crossing the centre line. this is another area that perhaps needs reiterating to the officials as it is called relatively frequently. Bryzgalov(sp) was assesed game for it 2 seasons ago after coming out to clear a puck, slipping and sliding ove the line; and I have seen it at my level more than once.