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Post by psylence on Oct 3, 2007 12:30:27 GMT
totally agree on all points shaggy. especially regarding Neilson, has to be our best most consistent player at the moment! alopng with Mac
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Post by MP on Oct 3, 2007 13:10:26 GMT
Weve got no reliable simple stay home D man to clear the net or break plays up Not entirely true surely - Shymr can do a job in that role. He lacks speed and isn't the most agile but has the strength to clear the crease. He's also the most disciplined of our Dmen and sticks at what ever job he's given to do.
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Post by Rich on Oct 3, 2007 13:15:25 GMT
Weve got no reliable simple stay home D man to clear the net or break plays up Not entirely true surely - Shmyr can do a job in that role. He lacks speed and isn't the most agile but has the strength to clear the crease. He's also the most disciplined of our Dmen and sticks at what ever job he's given to do. Nnnooooooooo!! Hes a solid D man and does that job.... But hes a winger! If we are going to play Ryan on D we need to bring another enforcer in as forward who will protect the brits, work the corners, get in front of the net and give us options going forward instead of rolling 3 lines of small, easy to knock off the puck, easy to trap forwards. Even a power forward would do or at least an agitator but I think Ryan is wasted as a D man. He played as a 3rd line winger last night and did his job well, thats certainly not one area we need to change right now...
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Post by coopz on Oct 3, 2007 16:12:29 GMT
well i think that panthers have got the best set of players in the whole of the elite league but we just cant seem to gel togeather which isnt good at all.although we seem to be getting the win at the end of the night its just not a great performance like what is expected of a team full of all stars.i think that we need to get a speedy sweed in to play alongside molin and wallenberg.i was pleased to hear that ellis was releaseing shepeard i didnt think much to him at all in fact i would say he is the weak link in the squad.i also think we should stick ryan back in the defence becuz no disrespect but hes never been a forward.although he is a great fighter although i do still think payette is a legend.on to edinborugh i think they are a much improved team on there previous seasons in the elite league and i think they will make the playoffs this season and may even turn the panthers over when we are up in edinborough
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Post by messier1851 on Oct 3, 2007 17:07:34 GMT
A few good points Coopz, good first post. Try and space things out a bit though please, makes things easier on the eyes!
Disagree about Ryan having never been a forward, he works and hits hard and is tough to shift in front of the net. I'm not sure about a speedy Swede on the Molin line, maybe a bit more size would free them up some space for the pair of them.
Players-wise we always have a strong roster on paper and this season looks no different, plenty of goals us in but sadly it's not played on paper and it's important to get them together as a team, not just talented individuals.
Edinburgh are a decent side and ought to sneak 7th or 8th.
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Post by Peacock on Oct 3, 2007 17:54:28 GMT
i also think we should stick ryan back in the defence becuz no disrespect but hes never been a forward. Are you sure about that? I seem to remember that last season it was said that he was a forward that had covered D in the past. Hockey Database also has him listed a Wing
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Post by ted on Oct 3, 2007 18:06:16 GMT
Meh... i got bored winding people up!
Seriously, last night....
A win is a win and I will always take it. Course you would. However letting a side come back from being 5-2 up is not good. We did similar against Cardiff.
Starting from the forwards back, I thought the forwards did alright last night overall. Any team that comes to play hockey in the NIC is gonna get beat. We had a good game overall in that respect but I didnt see anything that convinces we can beat the Sheffeilds, Newcastles and Coventry on a regular basis.
Macca I thought was amazing and Wally is showing his worth.
Molin, though fast... was invisible that game.
Brit forwards had a good game overall IMO despite being on the ice for 2 goals.
Should I include Pelts here? May as well.... he spend most of the game forward... Like Rich said, he should realise hes a D man.
The D worries me overall. Rasto needs this strong D around him I think...for some reason... he seemed fine last year! And our wandering D isnt helping him. Has ellis relied too much on rasto and gone for a offensive D thinking he will be ok on his own?
Something needs to change.... either a goalie who can be left out to dry and still make the saves or alternatively the D need to protect him a lot more than they are doing.
Drouin is playing a defensive game and possibly why he seems so invisible and a non entity but is that him doing that or is elly telling him to?
Caps looked impressive. Id rather have a whole season of it being pretty close than the same 4 teams always challenging.
Stick by what I said about fighters... You cant really argue a pre arranged tussle centre ice kick started caps right back into it.
I think Carson was very harsh on caps. They had a good game and to be honest could have just as easily gone the other way. Thoughts for the coming weekend? We gonna have to play around the trap from bison who always strike me as a fairly physical team but i must say ive bearly looked at them this season. Hopefully thats the one thing they have been working on how to beat
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Post by heja on Oct 3, 2007 18:09:19 GMT
Not even the wrap around where he left himself in no mans land? That was poor and rasto did make the mistake there. However I do think people are blaming rasto too much (not saying he is blameless!) but the D does have a large part to play and quite often the D doesn't do its job. and i think people are saying hes great too much, theres so many times in games where he makes a save that he should stop and people start cheering madly and singing rasto. at the moment he letting in alot of goals that he should stop and not making any big saves, he also makes the comfortable saves look difficult
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Post by dodit on Oct 3, 2007 19:18:13 GMT
oh give it a rest (not you martin ).... for crying out loud.... to be honest everyones positive happy clapping attitude winds me up.... thats partially why i do it. If i dont post a differnet opinion 9 out of 10 will say its an incredible performnce and we will win the league, rasto should have a knighthood and ellis is god.... but so far this is just nowhere near the case. If you dont wanna read what I have to say just skip on by. I do most the happy clapping posts. Rasto... not just this game... has sucked. Ive said it beofre and Im pretty sure I will say it again. I have yet to see one convincing performance out of this years team, ive seen good plays, Ive seen great goals, Ive seen good goaltending but ive never seen it consistently over one match, never mind the rest of the season. I think hopes have been too high the year with rasto. Because last year he was our saviour of the season which lead to winning the playoff but what you have got to remember that he is 39 which is good for any hockey player. If you think about it all last year unless you went to every game of course we never saw rasto have a bad game. Even though i didn't go last night i think he has been poor this year, maybe the defence is too attacking and leaving him out to dry but 1 on1 he should be expert especially after prooving that he can save penalty shots. On games that i have watching this year i don't think rasto will last all year and it's a good job the forwards are doing their job and earning their pay because we would get battered every game otherwise. I'm with you all the way teddy.
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Post by Rob #12 on Oct 3, 2007 19:37:53 GMT
I am not sure how people can say (in general) that the Capitals looked good and yet they lost 6-4 to a Panthers team some are saying aren't good enough? I don't get it. Personally, yes I think Caps look good, but so did we. Sure we have areas of weakness, but so does everyteam. It's okay saying, playing like we did last night wouldn't help us against Coventry/Sheffield etc....but last night our game plan wasn't used against these teams, it was against Edinburgh, hence Ellis set the team out to beat them and their style. Guess what, it worked.
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Post by ted on Oct 3, 2007 19:45:23 GMT
What we are saying it could have very easily gone the other way. Carson decided he didnt like us? We hadnt snuck that one by that no one really knew how it went in,
6-4.... should have been 5-4... cant count the empty netter towards the overall game. If panthers hit the bar and there was a dodgy goal and one sided reffing we would all be saying how it could have gone either way... just cos it happened the other way round doesnt make it any different.
As for comparing it to other teams... you saw us in sheffield... we had no clue. I have seen nothing since that game to tell me otherwise
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 19:53:13 GMT
Speaking of the Caps enforcer, I thought our very own Jono had jumped on with the Caps. Did anyone else notice the similarity between Stefishen and Jono??? ;D You what?? I look nothing like him Besides, he's a better player than me!
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Post by Rob #12 on Oct 3, 2007 19:56:22 GMT
Thing is mate, every game can't be about mullering the opposition and putting out a perfect performance. In reality that hardly ever happens.
If you are gonna win things, every campaign has it's share of luck along the way as well as good performances. Yes the result could have gone the other way, but last night we had the rub of the green and the Caps didn't. The good fortune, coupled with our good attacking plays is what won us the game.
You win some, you lose some. That's how it's gonna be. I just can't join the people on here wanting the perfect performance...it's realistically never gonna happen. There are always, whether you win 1-0 or 10-0, gonna be areas for improvement.
Re: Sheff. I would hope Mike now has a backup plan when it comes to playing trap hockey. Changing the way we play against the likes of Sheff and Newcastle would be the key to getting results against them....
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Post by Rob #12 on Oct 3, 2007 19:57:26 GMT
Speaking of the Caps enforcer, I thought our very own Jono had jumped on with the Caps. Did anyone else notice the similarity between Stefishen and Jono??? ;D You what?? I look nothing like him Besides, he's a better player than me! haha, it's not just me who thinks it....and he is only just better than you mate. Your HOSNIC hat-trick proved that....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 20:02:38 GMT
can someone answer me this? From what I heard (and this may be wrong) Stefishen got a minor and a 5 for fighting. Meyers got a minor Shmyr 5 for fighting Those penalties were coincidental and didn't show on the clock. How can that be? Caps had 1 player penalised, Panthers had 2? Shouldn't Caps have had a 2 minute 4 on 3, then the Panthers the same, later? I thought penalties were only coincidental and not showing if there was a penalty up there already, or is that just for minors and not majors? My understanding is that where teams are at full strength and a player from each side gets a minor, they go on the clock. Any other situation they don't. So where the teams are not numerically equal the minors are coincidental and do not go up. Where the teams are at full strength and the penalties are double-minors, majors, or more than one player from each side are penalised at the same time, or any other situation, they are coincidental. The situation we had last night was interesting. I thought they were coincidental because 'more than one player from each side' was penalised, although unusually there were three players involved, not four. In these situations I usually list the penalties in two columns and go down cancelling out similar penalties on each side and see what's left. In this case each side got 7 minutes, but in different combinations. Andy was clear they were coincidental and the teams seemed to concur. For all that, bob, I can see the logic of your argument. Hockey, eh? It's a great game, innit.
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Post by SmoD94 on Oct 3, 2007 21:56:45 GMT
as is the guy who threw his cap on the ice after Mac scored his 2nd goal! That guy was being a tool all game. Shouting stupid comments quite regularly. quote] quite regularly thats wrong i was shouting stupid comments all night thats what i do when i go to hockey games mainly to try and get some humour into what was turning into a very late night. Anyone around us knows what im like and know that i never shout anything offensive or bad against the players and normally it is only silly songs we sing and try and have a good time as well as enjoying the hockey match. Personally i think anyone who feels that doing this is bad or wrong then they are the tool not me. One of the stupid things i started shouting was jody is a girls name which lots of people now carry on and as far as i can see enjoy. Im not going to apologise for shouting and enjoying myself as thats what we all pay our money and go there for. Anyone feel like joining in next match with a round of heads, shoulders, knees and toes feel free you never know you might even enjoy yourself :-) erm...... about the cap thing. god im a wally! thought he had got 3 goals. dont worry give me as much agro as you like. its not as bad as what im getting from all my mates at the mo in block 7! danny meyers enjoyed it though (and i think the security guard did too) he seemed to be watching me all night after that :-) oops
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Post by Mr Waltz on Oct 3, 2007 23:36:13 GMT
amen to that brother ,but in future if ya gonna sing or shout can ya do it somewhere else i nearly couldn't hear my pin drop cos of you ,and without you block 7 would be as boreing and quiet as the rest of the arena ,hell they even had to set fire to it to make the night exciting
the cap thing funny when ya got it wrong and inspiration for a birthday gift when meyers took it,(at least i know what to buy now)
as for the rasto sucks shout ,his opinion is his opinion and sadly just like everyone elses opinion if ya don't like it its kinda unlucky .i personally don't think rasto sucks but i'm loseing confidence,but hey we won 4 or 5 on the trot so can't be that bad right? and was it not 2 games ago he got a shut out ? food for thought
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Post by psylence on Oct 4, 2007 7:33:48 GMT
Re: Sheff. I would hope Mike now has a backup plan when it comes to playing trap hockey. Changing the way we play against the likes of Sheff and Newcastle would be the key to getting results against them.... i guess we'll find out after this weekend, sheff 13th. Newcastle 20th i believe.
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Post by mattscold on Oct 4, 2007 10:08:27 GMT
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WOavN8ILregFrom this video i'd say edge Shmyr apart from the first punch Stefishen doesn't land hardly anything. He throws loads but can't really reach. Just basing my opinion on that vido as i wasn't at the game.
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Post by Rich on Oct 4, 2007 10:15:52 GMT
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WOavN8ILregFrom this video i'd say edge Shmyr apart from the first punch Stefishen doesn't land hardly anything. He throws loads but can't really reach. Just basing my opinion on that vido as i wasn't at the game. It seemed Stefishen was more active at the game but like you see he misses a few. Good effort for a guy giving up a fair few inches to Ryan tho. Not like the hugfest followed by throwing punches when the Linos step in like at belfast the week before
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Post by mattscold on Oct 4, 2007 10:21:54 GMT
oh yeah definitely good tussle!
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Post by sickboy on Oct 4, 2007 10:39:39 GMT
regarding the smod94 comments, having sat near him for a long time, ive gotta say ive always found him very entertaining and certaintly not a "tool" as someone mentioned. If people want to sit in silence then thats fine but that doesnt help the team either and the majority of the chants and songs from block 7 are started by him and then everyone joins in. I would also wonder if the people that called him a "tool" on here would be so brave as to say it to his face, i doubt it !!!!
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 4, 2007 10:51:19 GMT
haha
i never said i wanted to sit in silence. i like chants and some of the songs and often participate in them myself. and i really don't care who starts the chants in block 7 or any other block. i just don't appreciate stupid comments.
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Post by psylence on Oct 4, 2007 10:56:08 GMT
speaking of chants... what happened to the song "if your pround to be a panther be a moose?" not heard it at all this season...
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Post by Number 9.1 on Oct 4, 2007 11:45:22 GMT
Rasto drops clangers now and again because of way he approaches the game; take away the cockiness and the risktaking and you lose more than you gain. Koenig is a similar kind of player but he has the advantage of a decent defence in front of him (and you have to have serious reservations about Pelletier and Stancok if what we've seen at home so far this season is representative of the way things are going to be).
Rasto absolutely should not be cut but he could justifiably quit if something isn't done about a defence which is basically costing him his reputation.
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