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Post by killercarlson on Oct 3, 2007 8:05:41 GMT
Who stayed behind to cheer and applaud Rasto's rubbish performance???  not me..  |
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Post by Atko on Oct 3, 2007 8:22:47 GMT
I'm not sure how a few people can slate Rasto for that performance and not comment on the defence, which had an awful game. I didn't blame Rasto for any of the goals, any half decent defence would have cleared his rebounds especially the fourth goal where Caps had three shots before it went in.
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 3, 2007 8:35:14 GMT
as is the guy who threw his cap on the ice after Mac scored his 2nd goal! That guy was being a tool all game. Shouting stupid comments quite regularly. And Shmyr won the fight, just. The other guy just constantly throwing poor punches and only a few connected (bar the first). Rasto made some good saves, but I am a little concerned. He was better than previous games, but then our D was better than previous games. Rasto didn't have a rubbish performance. We at least have consistent form at home. Good first. Shoddy second. Shoddy start to third then take it back. Last night, though, we did get complacent. As for the Brits getting more ice time, I'm glad they did - they need the time. ME made a minor mistake keeping them out so long, but it was a good decision to put them out. I was v impressed with Parres (sp?). Thought he deserved their MOM, despite conceding 5. He made some cracking saves. |
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Post by oldman on Oct 3, 2007 8:37:39 GMT
ok teddy i was joking but to answer one comment rasto does not need a knighthood and he certainly does not suck, fair weather fan wrote that in my view! He does however need some protection from the D at times i am in block 17 he pulled of two tremendous point blank saves and found himself surrounded by caps guys were was the D he can pull off great saves but he cannot do it on his own can he? The D need to take some responsibility for these goals, or is rasto up for the sebastian award this week?
One thing you can say this season we aint bored are we, good edge of the seat entertainment, personally i would rather watch a game like last night so long as we win than a 6-0 boring rout!
As to opinions i am possibly very positive because i love the game and i don't try to analyse it, and i do not try to second guess ME's decisions! I am not a happy clapper but just support the franchise including ME, Teddy i feel supports the panthers but in his own way and is maybe looking for perfection on the ice and i feel that as this will never happen he will always be disapointed, but he is entitled to his point of view, if we want everyone on the cage to have the same point of view on here it would be boring and a little like the life portrayed in the book and film 1984
Highlight of the night for me was the check in the back on andy carson by corey not sure but corey looked like he enjoyed it as well! That was worth the entrance money alone!
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Post by texpef on Oct 3, 2007 8:45:03 GMT
Spot on Rich i totally agree with everything you stated, and Ian come on we have improved our training regime no end not surprising it is paying dividends now is it!!!  As for the play thought Leivers had his best game for us won some faceoffs and back/forechecking is getting better and better. Richardson again is showing signs of improving although i thought Myers wasnt that hot tonight. As for the imports well imho Although Mac scored 3 thought he showed signs of laziness in the 3rd maybe that he was getting alot of ice time and was pacing himself but the number of times he chose not to chase the puck down or his passes were sloppy, mind you if he can do that and still score 3 who knows how good he would be if he did try!!  . Wallenburg also imho had one of his best games of the year so far and thoroughly deserved his mom especially without his regular linemate for most of the game (heres hoping Molin is back very quickly and not just because he is in my fantasy league team). As for the fight back well, putting a line of brits out when we are shorthanded against experienced imports is a deathwish if you ask me and he followed this up after conceding a goal by repeating it and lo and behold ANOTHER GOAL.... please learn Mr. Ellis as much as you want the brits to do well win the game first...Wont comment on the fight apart from all and sundry now seem to think they can take Shmyr and imho they are doing.... sort it Ryan you have big boots to fill with previous "enforcers" being the likes of Nieckar (whos whole aim was to be a better fighter....), Loewen and Schwartz... Finally one point of note, if the game last night didnt highlight the need for a feisty centre who can win faceoffs then i dont think Ellis was paying attention... |
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 3, 2007 8:53:58 GMT
Finally one point of note, if the game last night didnt highlight the need for a feisty centre who can win faceoffs then i dont think Ellis was paying attention... Definitely. Whilst we improved on faceoffs over previous games (not hard really), we weren't great. Still, at least we've improved somewhat. Fingers crossed Shep's replacement will be darn good at winning faceoffs (amongst everything else on our wishlist)! |
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Post by killercarlson on Oct 3, 2007 8:59:34 GMT
I didn't blame Rasto for any of the goals, . Not even the wrap around where he left himself in no mans land? |
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 3, 2007 9:03:28 GMT
I didn't blame Rasto for any of the goals, . Not even the wrap around where he left himself in no mans land? That was poor and rasto did make the mistake there. However I do think people are blaming rasto too much (not saying he is blameless!) but the D does have a large part to play and quite often the D doesn't do its job. |
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Post by killercarlson on Oct 3, 2007 9:25:01 GMT
The D aren't blameless but Rasto hasn't been performing especially well. Therefore I won't be hanging around after to cheer him. That's all - I'm not going to lambast anyone else for doing it but I don't agree. I wouldn't even be surprised if Rasto himself is embarassed to be going through his post game rituals when he hasn't played well.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 3, 2007 9:35:10 GMT
The third goal was surely down to Rasto - he did get too far out and stranded himself. But the others? - no way. That 4th goal, he was down on the ice and made at least two stops as they were hammering away trying to jam it in... then the puck got loose and there was nothing Rasto could do. IMHO, that's down to the defensive outskaters... Rasto is there to make the stops, not clear the crease... and the Caps were crashing the crease all the time - Rasto did well to cut a lot of that out, diving straight into the thick of it at times to freeze the puck - but it's not the netminder's job to clear the crease. This is where we are really missing Mike Rees - one of the best gritty stay-at-home D-men we've seen in recent years. I don't have a problem with Pelts... he's got some good moves and works hard - but he's definitely an offensive D-man, and we've got plenty of those already!  We really could have done with a 'Reeser clone'... Right now, it looks to me like the whole defensive unit - Rasto and the D-men - needs a little more integration, a bit more teamwork. We've not got one of those stifling defences, nor a solid brick wall - we've got a mobile, offensively-minded defence. That in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing... but I do think that it's harder to get right (the teamwork between D-men, and between them & the netminder) than simple blue-line brick wall defences. A bit more work on that - including possibly reining in our more free-skating D-men a bit - and it could work really well. |
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Post by killercarlson on Oct 3, 2007 9:37:29 GMT
Definitely agree that we miss Mike Rees. But if he hadn't gone we wouldn't have Pelletier around, and what a find he is (a different kind of player, but good at what he does!)
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Post by Rich on Oct 3, 2007 9:45:13 GMT
Wow I agree with Shaggy, shoot me! The only thing I would say is Pelletier jumps into the play... no problem... but the idea is as a D man you jump straight back into D when the play breaks up, he doesnt! He wanders around the left wing waiting for someone to cover him and start the breakout again!
I think we miss Rees and Krajicek. Rees as above, the only stay home D man we had and nasty with it and Krajicek who could break plays up with his long reach and poke check. Weve got not balance on D, same as we have no balance on offense.
I think everyone can agree its not all the D, its not all Rasto but I cant see it clicking. Weve got no reliable simple stay home D man to clear the net or break plays up and our goalie doesnt compliment the "euro" style D men weve got. Something has got to give. Either sign a big no nonsense D man or a stand up goalie.
Although for the most part we looked in control look at things another way (ifs and buts)... If our goal that we didnt really claim until Carson gave it hadnt stood and the bullet they hit late on had gone a quarter of an inch lower instead of hitting the bar we would be in a very different mood today! I know its all ifs and buts but it goes to show it was a closer game than it felt for 40mins
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Post by carolle on Oct 3, 2007 10:19:35 GMT
I thought our very own Jono had jumped on with the Caps. Did anyone else notice the similarity between Stefishen and Jono??? ;D I`m so glad you said that..when I was talking to him after the game it was driving me mad trying to think who he reminded me of..Jono of course. Thank you its been bugging me all night. |
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Post by ryanp29 on Oct 3, 2007 11:16:27 GMT
so someone says rasto sucks and he is a tool and should be kicked out of the rink on what good reason , stating his opinion seems to me if u slat rasto ( god ) as some people see him as then u should be shoot on the spot .
come people he is not the best n/m and know where as good as last year and that guy who said rasto u suck well he dose he lets in soft soft goals come out of his net way to much what for players this year know what he is like.
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Post by Peacock on Oct 3, 2007 11:20:13 GMT
so someone says rasto sucks and he is a tool and should be kicked out of the rink on what good reason , stating his opinion seems to me if u slat rasto ( god ) as some people see him as then u should be shoot on the spot . come people he is not the best n/m and know where as good as last year and that guy who said rasto u suck well he dose he lets in soft soft goals come out of his net way to much what for players this year know what he is like. Any chance we can have that translated into English please? |
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Post by ryanp29 on Oct 3, 2007 11:24:33 GMT
yer read it agen |
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Post by carolle on Oct 3, 2007 11:33:27 GMT
yer read it agen The ground rules for posting here are .... |
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Post by Atko on Oct 3, 2007 11:34:37 GMT
I didn't blame Rasto for any of the goals, . Not even the wrap around where he left himself in no mans land? Ok, possibly he made the error then, but my main point is that the Caps forwards shouldn't be given that type of space in the first place and that wasn't the only time it happened. |
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Post by bobness on Oct 3, 2007 11:40:49 GMT
yer read it agen i av it stll maks no sns at all mate Speak english, will you? Like Carolle says. Or I'll shot you on the spoot. |
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Post by psylence on Oct 3, 2007 11:42:52 GMT
there were some comedy moments last night,
fire alarm! followed by some very funny songs on the p.a
Corey knocking Carson over then we score from the play.
the capitals timeout
funniest thing for me though was when Capitals scored, and it was deathly silent and all you heard was the scorer "WOOOOOOO!"
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Post by ryanp29 on Oct 3, 2007 11:44:49 GMT
oh dear well i am sorry  |
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Post by latenightpsycho on Oct 3, 2007 11:59:41 GMT
oh dear well i am sorry (Yawn) I blame the parents... |
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Post by killercarlson on Oct 3, 2007 12:14:57 GMT
Not even the wrap around where he left himself in no mans land? Ok, possibly he made the error then, but my main point is that the Caps forwards shouldn't be given that type of space in the first place and that wasn't the only time it happened. Yea, I know what you mean. I think it's 6 of Rasto and half a dozen of the D! ;D |
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Post by killercarlson on Oct 3, 2007 12:16:48 GMT
funniest thing for me though was when Capitals scored, and it was deathly silent and all you heard was the scorer "WOOOOOOO!" Ahh - it all becomes clear. I missed that and was wondering why everyone was WOOO'ing when he got MOM. |
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 3, 2007 12:27:20 GMT
Ok, possibly he made the error then, but my main point is that the Caps forwards shouldn't be given that type of space in the first place and that wasn't the only time it happened. Yea, I know what you mean. I think it's 6 of Rasto and half a dozen of the D! ;D That's the thing... it's the defensive unit as a whole that needs to tighten things up a bit - not necessarily any one individual. Rasto's a good goalie... but he can't do it all himself. Equally, the D-men need to know that he's there to do his job so that they can do theirs. And both need to know what the other is going to do. That's where they are lacking a bit right now, I think... doing their own jobs, and making sure what they are doing fits in with what everyone else is doing. Rasto's got a tendency to come out a bit too far to play the puck - often it works, sometimes it doesn't. Maybe he's doing it at least partly because the D are concentrating a little too much on offence and not enough on defence. It's not that they're bad D-men - I don't think any of them are - just that sometimes they maybe aren't doing the right thing at the right time. They've all got their roles... maybe they just need to keep it a little more in mind. It's like that old scenario of the two-on-one coming in... let the goalie take the shot, that's what he's there for... the D-man needs to take out the pass. Keep it simple, keep it solid. Rein in the offensive D-men just a little more, and that should tighten things up nicely. It would probably make Rasto a bit happier, which would no doubt improve his game. Double the benefit. And we'll still have the speed and flair amongst the D-men to provide the forwards with good puck to shoot off up the other end of the ice. Maybe then we'll see a bit more offence from the likes of PC Drouin? - seems to me he's been very defensive-minded (no bad thing on the whole) so far. Take a bit of that weight off him, and who knows what numbers he could rack up. One undoubted (IMHO anyway) plus point on the defence this season - Corey Neilson. Somewhat erratic during the regular season last year, then mutated into The Man during the play-offs. I think he's already answered our question as to which was the 'real' Corey Neilson... he's playing a solid game so far, very solid. |
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. Wallenburg also imho had one of his best games of the year so far and thoroughly deserved his mom especially without his regular linemate for most of the game (heres hoping Molin is back very quickly and not just because he is in my fantasy league team). As for the fight back well, putting a line of brits out when we are shorthanded against experienced imports is a deathwish if you ask me and he followed this up after conceding a goal by repeating it and lo and behold ANOTHER GOAL.... please learn Mr. Ellis as much as you want the brits to do well win the game first...Wont comment on the fight apart from all and sundry now seem to think they can take Shmyr and imho they are doing.... sort it Ryan you have big boots to fill with previous "enforcers" being the likes of Nieckar (whos whole aim was to be a better fighter....), Loewen and Schwartz...
We really could have done with a 'Reeser clone'...
