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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2023 20:15:47 GMT
So Corey had good leadership and culture? I wouldn't bother. There's always an answer. (Of sorts, anyway.) Classic deflection stuff. "Martin Latal's rubbish" How come he scored 50 points in his first season then? "Just shows you how rubbish the league is" etc etc etc You can't reason or debate with someone who has totally entrenched views. These entrenched views come from seeing the organisation get steadily worse year on year I'm afraid.. they daily to fill a arena smaller than a team with a bigger arena.. where are those fans which filled the place between 2008-2014?
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Post by bobness on Jun 20, 2023 21:50:38 GMT
If Carl Neil is being classed as a “stud” D man then what are the likes of Vandermeer, Hotham,Walser,Register,Bolibruck,Munn, Reinhart,Sandrock,Elfring etc classed as ? Decent looking signing Neill, but if he’s being classed as a “stud” these days then it shows just how far the quality of the EIHL has fallen. Maybe let’s see him play a bit first, eh? Maybe he will belong on that list, perish the thought.
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Post by iginla on Jun 20, 2023 22:12:34 GMT
If Carl Neil is being classed as a “stud” D man then what are the likes of Vandermeer, Hotham,Walser,Register,Bolibruck,Munn, Reinhart,Sandrock,Elfring etc classed as ? Decent looking signing Neill, but if he’s being classed as a “stud” these days then it shows just how far the quality of the EIHL has fallen. Maybe let’s see him play a bit first, eh? Maybe he will belong on that list, perish the thought. You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets !
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Post by Joe on Jun 20, 2023 23:36:34 GMT
Maybe let’s see him play a bit first, eh? Maybe he will belong on that list, perish the thought. You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! Because the league is different, people aren’t saying that he’s one of the EIHL’s best signings but rather he’s a top player for where this league is right now and I don’t know why that’s difficult for some to grasp. If you’re of the opinion that the league has declined in quality then surely your definition of what a stud signing is should also drop
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 0:36:19 GMT
You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! Because the league is different, people aren’t saying that he’s one of the EIHL’s best signings but rather he’s a top player for where this league is right now and I don’t know why that’s difficult for some to grasp. If you’re of the opinion that the league has declined in quality then surely your definition of what a stud signing is should also drop That's exactly what he's saying! Not so much where the league is but where panthers is, the last few years they've fell off a cliff regarding the quality of player brought in, Neil may be a stud in Nottingham but I doubt he'd be classed as a stud at the 'big 3'
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Post by bobness on Jun 21, 2023 6:30:57 GMT
Maybe let’s see him play a bit first, eh? Maybe he will belong on that list, perish the thought. You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! It’s not about the cvs, though, it’s how they play. Neill has had some good time in good leagues. Straight out of the DEL spells quality to me. Same as straight from SHL, Liiga or the Czech league. Those players tend to be a cut above. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 7:04:09 GMT
You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! It’s not about the cvs, though, it’s how they play. Neill has had some good time in good leagues. Straight out of the DEL spells quality to me. Same as straight from SHL, Liiga or the Czech league. Those players tend to be a cut above. Time will tell. You mean like Mike Caruso? He definitely isn't a cut above!
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Post by iginla on Jun 21, 2023 7:56:34 GMT
You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! Because the league is different, people aren’t saying that he’s one of the EIHL’s best signings but rather he’s a top player for where this league is right now and I don’t know why that’s difficult for some to grasp. If you’re of the opinion that the league has declined in quality then surely your definition of what a stud signing is should also drop Blimey if the quality drops even further they’d be calling players like JC Brassard a “stud” player next. A stud tag should be a player who has played several hundred games and a good few years in top leagues, not somebody who has flirted with a top league for a dozen or so games and then very strangely ended up at only 26 years old in the little backwater of the EIHL Hope he’s on an unbreakable one year contract !
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Post by float on Jun 21, 2023 7:57:52 GMT
Maybe let’s see him play a bit first, eh? Maybe he will belong on that list, perish the thought. You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! BREAKING NEWS: Professional Sports Club Tries to Sell More Tickets!!!! Crazy stuff.
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Post by Jono Bullard on Jun 21, 2023 8:06:24 GMT
Maybe let’s see him play a bit first, eh? Maybe he will belong on that list, perish the thought. You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! I'm not bigging anything up. I gave a personal opinion when comparing to other signings made around the league so far this off-season based on my own research. *Bold is for emphasis
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Post by bobness on Jun 21, 2023 8:08:48 GMT
It’s not about the cvs, though, it’s how they play. Neill has had some good time in good leagues. Straight out of the DEL spells quality to me. Same as straight from SHL, Liiga or the Czech league. Those players tend to be a cut above. Time will tell. You mean like Mike Caruso? He definitely isn't a cut above! Remind me again which leagues Caruso has played in? 6 years in the A, cup of coffee in the show, 7 years in the top Austrian league (which he was playing in the season before last). Just the kind of CV you (two) should like, and indeed did at the time. The evidence says... "Proper signing there. Now that IS what you call a “stud” Dman." (That was Iggy) "Cracking signing this! Well done Pacha and GG for snapping Mike up!" (That was you) But now, of course, based on hindsight and not watching him in the flesh at all, but the whole team having a bad season, your opinion has seemingly done a complete about turn. Funny, that. FWIW mine hasn't; he was our best D man last year, and in the right team, he'll be fine. Last season was just a car crash in the end, I bet all the players were glad when it was over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 8:15:39 GMT
You mean like Mike Caruso? He definitely isn't a cut above! Remind me again which leagues Caruso has played in? 6 years in the A, cup of coffee in the show, 7 years in the top Austrian league (which he was playing in the season before last). Just the kind of CV you (two) should like, and indeed did at the time. The evidence says... "Proper signing there. Now that IS what you call a “stud” Dman." (That was Iggy) "Cracking signing this! Well done Pacha and GG for snapping Mike up!" (That was you) But now, of course, based on hindsight and not watching him in the flesh at all, but the whole team having a bad season, your opinion has seemingly done a complete about turn. Funny, that. FWIW mine hasn't; he was our best D man last year, and in the right team, he'll be fine. Last season was just a car crash in the end, I bet all the players were glad when it was over. Well yeah opinions change once you see them play. Caruso is in a long line of players who come to Nottingham with good CVs but don't play like it. He should have been a stand out but was far from it 🤦 I'm sure there wasn't just me and Iggy (who you conviently had to point out) who were raving about him when he was announced "It was a car crash at the end". It was since September old boy
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Post by iginla on Jun 21, 2023 8:31:31 GMT
You know what I’m saying here Bob, just compare the respective resume’s. There is no comparison,so why call Neill a stud other than to try and “big something up” that isn’t really there yet. Then again I suppose it might just sell an extra few tickets ! I'm not bigging anything up. I gave a personal opinion when comparing to other signings made around the league so far this off-season based on my own research. *Bold is for emphasisWhich exactly what I’m doing giving MY own opinion too based on my 20 odd years of watching. (Bold is for emphasis). I’m not saying Neil isn’t going to be a good player...but deserving of “stud” I don’t really see it. In this years EIHL if he’s Panthers “stud player” then there need to be a lot more “studs” in Nottingham.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 8:53:54 GMT
Classing the Finn a stud is even more bizarre.. but it's his opinion 👍
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Post by Jono Bullard on Jun 21, 2023 9:08:37 GMT
Classing the Finn a stud is even more bizarre.. but it's his opinion 👍 235 games in one of the top leagues in Europe. Top goal-scorer in the Metal Ligaen last season. 28 points in 23 games in the Finnish 2nd tier. Only 27 years-old. Not really that bizarre when you consider the above.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 9:22:50 GMT
Classing the Finn a stud is even more bizarre.. but it's his opinion 👍 235 games in one of the top leagues in Europe. Top goal-scorer in the Metal Ligaen last season. 28 points in 23 games in the Finnish 2nd tier. Only 27 years-old. Not really that bizarre when you consider the above. There's alot of players come over with that sort of CV on that basis every team must have around 5 studs in them lol.. There's a difference between a stud and a solid looking pick up in my eyes
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Post by iginla on Jun 21, 2023 9:28:58 GMT
You mean like Mike Caruso? He definitely isn't a cut above! Remind me again which leagues Caruso has played in? 6 years in the A, cup of coffee in the show, 7 years in the top Austrian league (which he was playing in the season before last). Just the kind of CV you (two) should like, and indeed did at the time. The evidence says... "Proper signing there. Now that IS what you call a “stud” Dman." (That was Iggy) "Cracking signing this! Well done Pacha and GG for snapping Mike up!" (That was you) But now, of course, based on hindsight and not watching him in the flesh at all, but the whole team having a bad season, your opinion has seemingly done a complete about turn. Funny, that. FWIW mine hasn't; he was our best D man last year, and in the right team, he'll be fine. Last season was just a car crash in the end, I bet all the players were glad when it was over. Hey my opinion hasn’t changed,Caruso’s CV is exactly what I would class as as “stud” signing. Caruso wasn’t quite as good as expected but he was head and shoulders above all the rest of Panthers D last season.
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Post by iginla on Jun 21, 2023 9:37:50 GMT
Classing the Finn a stud is even more bizarre.. but it's his opinion 👍 235 games in one of the top leagues in Europe. Top goal-scorer in the Metal Ligaen last season. 28 points in 23 games in the Finnish 2nd tier. Only 27 years-old. Not really that bizarre when you consider the above. Then there was Simon Suoranta another Finn with a rather similar CV to Otto Nieminen. How did that one work out Jono, was he a “stud” too ?
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Post by wgray on Jun 21, 2023 9:49:19 GMT
235 games in one of the top leagues in Europe. Top goal-scorer in the Metal Ligaen last season. 28 points in 23 games in the Finnish 2nd tier. Only 27 years-old. Not really that bizarre when you consider the above. Then there was Simon Suoranta another Finn with a rather similar CV to Otto Nieminen. How did that one work out Jono, was he a “stud” too ? Suoranta hadn’t left Finland before joining us, but Nieminen has had a season in Slovakia and one in Denmark since leaving Finland, where he produced in both. I’ve got faith that Nieminen will be a solid player for us
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Post by bobness on Jun 21, 2023 10:07:04 GMT
Remind me again which leagues Caruso has played in? 6 years in the A, cup of coffee in the show, 7 years in the top Austrian league (which he was playing in the season before last). Just the kind of CV you (two) should like, and indeed did at the time. The evidence says... "Proper signing there. Now that IS what you call a “stud” Dman." (That was Iggy) "Cracking signing this! Well done Pacha and GG for snapping Mike up!" (That was you) But now, of course, based on hindsight and not watching him in the flesh at all, but the whole team having a bad season, your opinion has seemingly done a complete about turn. Funny, that. FWIW mine hasn't; he was our best D man last year, and in the right team, he'll be fine. Last season was just a car crash in the end, I bet all the players were glad when it was over. Hey my opinion hasn’t changed,Caruso’s CV is exactly what I would class as as “stud” signing. Caruso wasn’t quite as good as expected but he was head and shoulders above all the rest of Panthers D last season. We can perhaps broadly agree there. It was difficult to shine in a team like we had last season.
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Post by iginla on Jun 21, 2023 10:08:52 GMT
Then there was Simon Suoranta another Finn with a rather similar CV to Otto Nieminen. How did that one work out Jono, was he a “stud” too ? Suoranta hadn’t left Finland before joining us, but Nieminen has had a season in Slovakia and one in Denmark since leaving Finland, where he produced in both. I’ve got faith that Nieminen will be a solid player for us He’s certainly more deserving towards a “stud” tag than Neill is that’s for sure. I’m just not very keen on Finns,can’t remember many if any real good ones in the EIHL in recent years.
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Post by bobness on Jun 21, 2023 10:17:56 GMT
235 games in one of the top leagues in Europe. Top goal-scorer in the Metal Ligaen last season. 28 points in 23 games in the Finnish 2nd tier. Only 27 years-old. Not really that bizarre when you consider the above. Then there was Simon Suoranta another Finn with a rather similar CV to Otto Nieminen. How did that one work out Jono, was he a “stud” too ? We can all pick names. Suoranta's CV was very good indeed, you don't play 8 seasons in Liiga without having something about you, even in a checking role. He never gelled here at all (he wasn't be the first to do that) but his CV suggested high end skill set. In the end, it didn't work out, I suspect both sides were disappointed. And who knows if Nieminen will be end up a Suoranta or an Ahlroos, stats-wise? All we know is he is coming off a great season in Denmark. But then so did William Quist. It's a crap shoot at this stage, far too many variables to make definitive statements, but I can certainly see why Jono (and others, me included) likes Nieminen as we stand.
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 21, 2023 10:19:49 GMT
Hey my opinion hasn’t changed,Caruso’s CV is exactly what I would class as as “stud” signing. Caruso wasn’t quite as good as expected but he was head and shoulders above all the rest of Panthers D last season. We can perhaps broadly agree there. It was difficult to shine in a team like we had last season. Caruso based on CV is pretty much the very deffinision of a stud Dman coming here. I agree about last year too. Not as bad as some would have you believe. Mix in the injuries he had and he really didn't have that bad a season. I'll stand by Schmidt comparison also. If he's fit to start the season, stays healthy and the team as a whole improve then Caruso will really show his class. CVs are also pretty much what determains a stud signing. That's why for me Neill isn't. I said it earlier in the thread, he looks a good pick up but to compare CVs alone he is a step behind Caruso.
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Post by bobness on Jun 21, 2023 10:21:07 GMT
Suoranta hadn’t left Finland before joining us, but Nieminen has had a season in Slovakia and one in Denmark since leaving Finland, where he produced in both. I’ve got faith that Nieminen will be a solid player for us He’s certainly more deserving towards a “stud” tag than Neill is that’s for sure. I’m just not very keen on Finns,can’t remember many if any real good ones in the EIHL in recent years. Janne Laakkonen? He did OK. But you're right, there haven't been many in the EIHL the last few years.
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Post by Joe on Jun 21, 2023 10:22:18 GMT
235 games in one of the top leagues in Europe. Top goal-scorer in the Metal Ligaen last season. 28 points in 23 games in the Finnish 2nd tier. Only 27 years-old. Not really that bizarre when you consider the above. There's alot of players come over with that sort of CV on that basis every team must have around 5 studs in them lol.. There's a difference between a stud and a solid looking pick up in my eyes It’s easy to just make sweeping statements like that but why don’t you prove it ? And use last year because as we’ve already established the league isn’t as good post pandemic
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