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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 28, 2022 22:55:53 GMT
I hear from someone at the arena that only 900 tickets purchased today across all teams. Not sure how true. And strangely enough just look at how quickly Strictly Come Dancing sold out a few weeks back
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Post by iginla on Feb 28, 2022 23:02:43 GMT
I hear from someone at the arena that only 900 tickets purchased today across all teams. Not sure how true. According to Steelers it was 1000 sold so it would appear true. Excellent news.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 28, 2022 23:20:30 GMT
Across 6 teams surely? Aren't Sheffield, Cardiff, Coventry and Fife selling them later on?
It's a shame it's that many tbh. Prices only go one way, and if they get away with it this'll be next year's baseline.
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Post by BigLad on Feb 28, 2022 23:43:59 GMT
The last couple of POFW the tickets have verged on being too expensive for me based on what little you get at the weekend nowadays. So in 2019 I didn't go and instead just went to the pubs for the weekend and watched the streams/Premier Sports. £115 this year is simply taking the p i double crooked letter.
Just checked online and you can get Row M for Block 15, Row A for Block 16 and Row B Block 17.
I get it's a fun weekend, and I used to love the special atmosphere the weekend brings, but when is enough enough? However while there are still fans out there that will pay regardless, why would the EIHL stop raising the prices?
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Post by iginla on Feb 28, 2022 23:45:01 GMT
Across 6 teams surely? Aren't Sheffield, Cardiff, Coventry and Fife selling them later on? It's a shame it's that many tbh. Prices only go one way, and if they get away with it this'll be next year's baseline. For sure those prices won’t come down if they get away with it. If they do the fans will only have themselves to blame in future.
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Post by PantherG on Mar 1, 2022 8:20:21 GMT
If ticket sales are well down they’ll have to introduce concessions and reduce the price.. but I think people have now made plans and decisions and this pricing will backfire epically.
Imagine a play offs weekend with a half filled arena…
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 9:30:44 GMT
There's no chance this amount decreases now .. fans have decided to pay it .. I even say if the price reached £200 for the weekend fans would pay it 🤦
It's not going to look good on tv when there's only 4,000 there 🤣
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 1, 2022 9:38:23 GMT
There's no chance this amount decreases now .. fans have decided to pay it .. I even say if the price reached £200 for the weekend fans would pay it 🤦 It's not going to look good on tv when there's only 4,000 there 🤣 They will do what they always do. Fill it with freebies to sponsors
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Post by iginla on Mar 1, 2022 10:06:07 GMT
There's no chance this amount decreases now .. fans have decided to pay it .. I even say if the price reached £200 for the weekend fans would pay it 🤦 It's not going to look good on tv when there's only 4,000 there 🤣 They will do what they always do. Fill it with freebies to sponsors And then claim it sold out to try and save face from their monumental cockerel up. I still can’t believe ten clubs sat around a table or a zoom call and got the whole thing so wrong ! 🙄🙈
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 11:05:04 GMT
There's no chance this amount decreases now .. fans have decided to pay it .. I even say if the price reached £200 for the weekend fans would pay it 🤦 It's not going to look good on tv when there's only 4,000 there 🤣 They will do what they always do. Fill it with freebies to sponsors Imagine paying £110 for tickets to be sat next to someone who got in for nowt! 🤦 To be honest it's not what they've always done. In the first few years there was extra seating at the stage end because the demand was so high I doubt there was any freebies back then because there didn't need to be as the pricing was good
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 1, 2022 11:59:59 GMT
They will do what they always do. Fill it with freebies to sponsors Imagine paying £110 for tickets to be sat next to someone who got in for nowt! 🤦 To be honest it's not what they've always done. In the first few years there was extra seating at the stage end because the demand was so high I doubt there was any freebies back then because there didn't need to be as the pricing was good I sit next to freebies every game of the season actually
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 12:21:32 GMT
Imagine paying £110 for tickets to be sat next to someone who got in for nowt! 🤦 To be honest it's not what they've always done. In the first few years there was extra seating at the stage end because the demand was so high I doubt there was any freebies back then because there didn't need to be as the pricing was good I sit next to freebies every game of the season actually I'm referring to playoff finals weekend
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Post by bobness on Mar 1, 2022 12:48:33 GMT
Not sure why a playoff series would have to be at the NIC. Surely it would be a home and away series? Indeed, but even if a "top 8, best of 5" type series, each team would potentially need between 6 and 9 dates planning in, in short order, in a very limited time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 13:55:17 GMT
Not sure why a playoff series would have to be at the NIC. Surely it would be a home and away series? Indeed, but even if a "top 8, best of 5" type series, each team would potentially need between 6 and 9 dates planning in, in short order, in a very limited time. If you have a best of 5 series the top seeded team would need 3 available dates and the other team 2 at a maximum! Where do you get between 6 and 9 from?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 14:05:14 GMT
Indeed, but even if a "top 8, best of 5" type series, each team would potentially need between 6 and 9 dates planning in, in short order, in a very limited time. If you have a best of 5 series the top seeded team would need 3 available dates and the other team 2 at a maximum! Where do you get between 6 and 9 from? Quarter final = 5 game series Semi final = 5 game series Final = 5 game series So each team will have to plan in between 6 and 9 home dates prior to the quarter final series starting in case: a) They make the final, and b) Each series lasts the maximum 5 games.
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Post by bobness on Mar 1, 2022 14:17:49 GMT
If you have a best of 5 series the top seeded team would need 3 available dates and the other team 2 at a maximum! Where do you get between 6 and 9 from? Quarter final = 5 game series Semi final = 5 game series Final = 5 game series So each team will have to plan in between 6 and 9 home dates prior to the quarter final series starting in case: a) They make the final, and b) Each series lasts the maximum 5 games. You got it in one. You could thus get 9 dates planned in at short notice, of which 7 (possibly 8 if the series goes 1-2-2 rather than 2-2-1 or 1-1-1-1-1) could be then cancelled at even shorter notice. Your arena GMs will love that kind of stuff. Not impossible, with enough (i.e. at least a year) of a run-up and planning*, but not as easy as falling off a log. I'd like to see the EIHL try and do the playoffs in a 3 series, 5 game, format. That format alone allows for a modest rise in ticket prices, and a possible 2 consecutive night stand may keep costs down for the teams. I don't know why they don't, but I guess that there's more to it than plain old "history". * each team would need to book all home league games ("penned" in) and the maximum amount of theoretical play off games ("pencilled" in).
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Post by Discoray on Mar 1, 2022 14:34:16 GMT
If the EIHL were ever to change to best of series, doing them best out of 3 is the most sensible way to do so when starting out. Thinking realistically, even just changing the current 2 legs of the QF stage to a best of 3 series, would be a welcome change. Then have the finals weekend as usual.
Either that or go back to a 2 groups of 4 round-robin to decide the final 4. Much like the challenge cup, I'm just at the point changing anything will be refreshing from the same old stale bread we've had for so many years.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 1, 2022 15:48:27 GMT
I don't know why they don't, but I guess that there's more to it than plain old "history". Presumably the weekend provides a big lump of money that then gets shared, in some way, between all ten teams? Even if the clubs all agreed to revenue share their playoff series, a series between Panthers & Steelers would be enormously more valuable to them all than Dundee v Manchester, or something like that. If they didn't agree to revenue share I'd assume it would be terminal for certain teams. A 3 game series quarterfinal wouldn't take away any games (probably add a few) and would give a taste of series hockey at least. So agree with that. The weekend format isn't unique though is it? NCAA play the one off game formats in their end of season weekends, don't they?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 16:07:43 GMT
If the EIHL were ever to change to best of series, doing them best out of 3 is the most sensible way to do so when starting out. Thinking realistically, even just changing the current 2 legs of the QF stage to a best of 3 series, would be a welcome change. Then have the finals weekend as usual. Either that or go back to a 2 groups of 4 round-robin to decide the final 4. Much like the challenge cup, I'm just at the point changing anything will be refreshing from the same old stale bread we've had for so many years. Nope it's about time there was proper series match ups from the quarters all the way to the finals
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Post by bobness on Mar 1, 2022 16:10:42 GMT
I don't know why they don't, but I guess that there's more to it than plain old "history". Presumably the weekend provides a big lump of money that then gets shared, in some way, between all ten teams? Even if the clubs all agreed to revenue share their playoff series, a series between Panthers & Steelers would be enormously more valuable to them all than Dundee v Manchester, or something like that. If they didn't agree to revenue share I'd assume it would be terminal for certain teams. A 3 game series quarterfinal wouldn't take away any games (probably add a few) and would give a taste of series hockey at least. So agree with that. The weekend format isn't unique though is it? NCAA play the one off game formats in their end of season weekends, don't they? Yes, good thinking. "Frozen 4" and all that. I think that's a college sport thing? That's the gist though, the playoffs are a money spinner (assuming fans will pay to watch) for the teams. So, would the playoffs in general (if based on series) have to be a "shared pool" type job? All games would be run as "league events"? (Like the CC semis?) So many questions...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 1, 2022 16:29:11 GMT
I sit next to freebies every game of the season actually I'm referring to playoff finals weekend Yes but my season ticket is a lot more expensive than a playoff ticket
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 18:07:24 GMT
I'm referring to playoff finals weekend Yes but my season ticket is a lot more expensive than a playoff ticket It won't be soon 🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 18:14:16 GMT
Presumably the weekend provides a big lump of money that then gets shared, in some way, between all ten teams? Even if the clubs all agreed to revenue share their playoff series, a series between Panthers & Steelers would be enormously more valuable to them all than Dundee v Manchester, or something like that. If they didn't agree to revenue share I'd assume it would be terminal for certain teams. A 3 game series quarterfinal wouldn't take away any games (probably add a few) and would give a taste of series hockey at least. So agree with that. The weekend format isn't unique though is it? NCAA play the one off game formats in their end of season weekends, don't they? Yes, good thinking. "Frozen 4" and all that. I think that's a college sport thing? That's the gist though, the playoffs are a money spinner (assuming fans will pay to watch) for the teams. So, would the playoffs in general (if based on series) have to be a "shared pool" type job? All games would be run as "league events"? (Like the CC semis?) So many questions... You are complicating things . It's quite simple the home team gets the gate money. If teams are struggling financially then it's time for them to drop down a league . All these money spinners you refer to.. well this £110 per person will end up down the black hole lining owners pockets . The amount of money they've generated over 18 years worth of playoffs finals since the elite league has started is in the millions .. there doesn't seem to be much go show for it does it . Like I've said hundreds of times if you want this league to be taken seriously and not some beer league then scrap the CC and make the post season how it should be .
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Post by bobness on Mar 1, 2022 18:37:45 GMT
If teams are struggling financially then it's time for them to drop down a league . I appreciate that, but that makes the 2 who don't qualify, and the first (and second) round losers worse off than they are now? The POW is a money maker for all teams in the league, and that kind of idea is required to make the league sensible and sustainable, it seems. So why swap that for a "winner take all" idea that realistically will strongly favour the "big three" at the expense of the struggling teams? We already know what a 5 team Superleague gives, and it isn't variety... You can't go straight to "ideal" when you start from where the EIHL is now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 18:46:08 GMT
If teams are struggling financially then it's time for them to drop down a league . I appreciate that, but that makes the 2 who don't qualify, and the first (and second) round losers worse off than they are now? The POW is a money maker for all teams in the league, and that kind of idea is required to make the league sensible and sustainable, it seems. So why swap that for a "winner take all" idea that realistically will strongly favour the "big three" at the expense of the struggling teams? We already know what a 5 team Superleague gives, and it isn't variety... You can't go straight to "ideal" when you start from where the EIHL is now. But that means you would be holding events just to keep the lesser teams solvent . If you rely on certain formats just to keep the league sustainable it's not a good look is it
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