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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 16:53:34 GMT
How can he be protected ? He's under contract next season with Peterborough. He's eligible for drafting here Is he though? Elite Prospects states Arizona own his rights but that’s he’s unsigned, and there’s no mention of him being at the Petes in 21/22. So his career is basically on a nosedive then before it's even started ??
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 5, 2021 16:54:31 GMT
But then pick #1 in the second round ... Well yes, that's how snake drafts work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 16:56:29 GMT
Adding to that I did say the day he got drafted he would not see 1 minute of ice time in the NHL.. I stand by that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 16:56:57 GMT
But then pick #1 in the second round ... Well yes, that's how snake drafts work. I'm aware of that thanks lol
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 5, 2021 17:12:25 GMT
Well yes, that's how snake drafts work. I'm aware of that thanks lol You seemed to be implying Sheff had some sort of advantage from this perhaps...!? Maybe not.
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Post by John Casey on Mar 5, 2021 18:30:21 GMT
When will the list of protected players and the players eligible for The Draft be available.
I love a good Mock Draft.
Also got to think the announcements of The Imports would have to be forthcoming?
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Post by John Casey on Mar 5, 2021 18:32:26 GMT
Yes it'll great to see Myers back in a Panthers Shirt, however if a unprotected Brit has to join on loan to a rival team, would his heart be in it if he knows he's coming back to his original team?
While it's great, we have positive progress however I'm with you regarding I have no real interest on watching on my Laptop. I have dodgy reception and don't want buffering most of the time. But I'll watch highlights if they appear.
In a way it's a shame that we can't have fans as it's the matchday experience I enjoy as well, it's not the same cheering and shouting from home, I just can't get into it.
I'm guessing Freesports aren't involved.
The Panther fans are still owed games from the last Season Ticket, I DO NOT WANT THOSE OWED GAMES TO BE WEBCASTS.
I'm definitely not against this but it's not my thing.
I'm with you on all these counts. Add to that any injuries...yikes. I'm wondering if this competition will be similar to some of the international tournaments where there's less physicality and no fighting, it'll be interesting the type of imports we will see
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Post by iginla on Mar 5, 2021 22:02:05 GMT
Nothing like a good snake draft. Love 'em. Is there a plastic carrier bag involved with numbered balls in it ! 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 6, 2021 13:31:36 GMT
Graz out of playoff contention so Bowns free to return for EIHL competition.
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Post by bobness on Mar 6, 2021 20:24:10 GMT
Adding to that I did say the day he got drafted he would not see 1 minute of ice time in the NHL.. I stand by that Well, you’ll either be right or wrong, but if you are right, it doesn’t mean you’re some kind of hockey guru, clearly. Kirk was always a higher risk pick, but at the end of the day, he was drafted; someone who’s forgotten more about hockey than either of us will ever know saw something that day. I wish Kirk every success in realising his dream. As surely does every right thinking hockey person.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 20:50:22 GMT
Adding to that I did say the day he got drafted he would not see 1 minute of ice time in the NHL.. I stand by that Well, you’ll either be right or wrong, but if you are right, it doesn’t mean you’re some kind of hockey guru, clearly. Kirk was always a higher risk pick, but at the end of the day, he was drafted; someone who’s forgotten more about hockey than either of us will ever know saw something that day. I wish Kirk every success in realising his dream. As surely does every right thinking hockey person. I have nothing against Kirk just so you know, I watch the entry draft every year and follow some of the prospects who are eligible for drafts and see alot who I think will never play in the NHL , the majority are unlucky. Alot get selected because they impress in the combine and show potential at a early age .. Kirk actually scored higher than some who went in the 1sr round on certain aspects but his ranking placed him in the 7th round and I believe that's where he went .. So not sure what you're getting at?
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Post by John Casey on Mar 6, 2021 23:15:09 GMT
I wonder if they will be any trades, if there are, I also wonder whether any trades would have to be for an even amount.
As in you can't trade 2 players for 1
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Post by bobness on Mar 7, 2021 8:09:48 GMT
Well, you’ll either be right or wrong, but if you are right, it doesn’t mean you’re some kind of hockey guru, clearly. Kirk was always a higher risk pick, but at the end of the day, he was drafted; someone who’s forgotten more about hockey than either of us will ever know saw something that day. I wish Kirk every success in realising his dream. As surely does every right thinking hockey person. I have nothing against Kirk just so you know, I watch the entry draft every year and follow some of the prospects who are eligible for drafts and see alot who I think will never play in the NHL , the majority are unlucky. Alot get selected because they impress in the combine and show potential at a early age .. Kirk actually scored higher than some who went in the 1sr round on certain aspects but his ranking placed him in the 7th round and I believe that's where he went .. So not sure what you're getting at? Not getting at anything. The point I was making was that it's disappointing to read the apparent glee that you take in opining that he won't spend a minute in the NHL. If that's not glee, I apologise, that's how I read it (and as we all know, writing words often doesn't convey the subtleties of intonation and intended meaning, if you're not very careful). And even if he doesn't, he's the first English born and trained player to be drafted, and that's worthy of note itself, much more than a surly "Well, he'll never play a minute in the NHL". That he will not play in the NHL will probably be true, let's be honest, he's a long shot, but he's in the game. He's NHL property. You and I both know that beyond (and sometimes even during) round 1, the draft is mostly a crap shoot. The list of first round picks who never play a game in the NHL is a long one (and a lot of them seem to end up here at some stage (Selmar Odelein, Scott Allison (drafted before Keith Tkachuk, no less) Curt Bowen, Scott Kelman, Logan MacMillan, I could go on) let alone 7th round picks. Occasionally 7th round (and lower) picks play a long and successful career, that's a long list too. The list of first round picks who have very short NHL careers is an even longer one. If you could let us have a player by player assessment of this year's draft down to the 7th round, with their careers set out, I'm all ears.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 9:37:39 GMT
I have nothing against Kirk just so you know, I watch the entry draft every year and follow some of the prospects who are eligible for drafts and see alot who I think will never play in the NHL , the majority are unlucky. Alot get selected because they impress in the combine and show potential at a early age .. Kirk actually scored higher than some who went in the 1sr round on certain aspects but his ranking placed him in the 7th round and I believe that's where he went .. So not sure what you're getting at? Not getting at anything. The point I was making was that it's disappointing to read the apparent glee that you take in opining that he won't spend a minute in the NHL. If that's not glee, I apologise, that's how I read it (and as we all know, writing words often doesn't convey the subtleties of intonation and intended meaning, if you're not very careful). And even if he doesn't, he's the first English born and trained player to be drafted, and that's worthy of note itself, much more than a surly "Well, he'll never play a minute in the NHL". That he will not play in the NHL will probably be true, let's be honest, he's a long shot, but he's in the game. He's NHL property. You and I both know that beyond (and sometimes even during) round 1, the draft is mostly a crap shoot. The list of first round picks who never play a game in the NHL is a long one (and a lot of them seem to end up here at some stage (Selmar Odelein, Scott Allison (drafted before Keith Tkachuk, no less) Curt Bowen, Scott Kelman, Logan MacMillan, I could go on) let alone 7th round picks. Occasionally 7th round (and lower) picks play a long and successful career, that's a long list too. The list of first round picks who have very short NHL careers is an even longer one. If you could let us have a player by player assessment of this year's draft down to the 7th round, with their careers set out, I'm all ears. The draft these days is alot more consistent than it was years ago.. there's something like a 85% chance of playing in the NHL of you go in the first round up years ago.. usually the top 2 overall go straight onto the roster where as those from 3-10 may get sent back to their teams or to their affiliate AHL rosters for a few years before the call up. Not common these days for 1st rounders to not see just 1 game in the big league . Thinking scouting is alot more thorough. From round 3 and below .. chances are around 30% .. but yes some do fall and have sellar careers such as Zetterberg (round 9) Datysuk (round 7)
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Post by iginla on Mar 7, 2021 9:43:46 GMT
Go on then,admit it who’s going for a £25 cardboard cut out of themselves sitting in the stands ? I wonder if it’ll be like real life with 8 out of 10 sitting there looking at their phone or doing knitting. 🤣
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Post by samjohnson345 on Mar 7, 2021 9:57:11 GMT
And shouting shoot angrily every power play...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 10:35:43 GMT
Go on then,admit it who’s going for a £25 cardboard cut out of themselves sitting in the stands ? I wonder if it’ll be like real life with 8 out of 10 sitting there looking at their phone or doing knitting. 🤣 25 sheets on a bit of cardboard 😂😂.. wow no doubt some 'superfans' have already snapped them up 😂
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 7, 2021 11:51:53 GMT
Is he though? Elite Prospects states Arizona own his rights but that’s he’s unsigned, and there’s no mention of him being at the Petes in 21/22. So his career is basically on a nosedive then before it's even started ?? Kirk's time at Hanhals earlier this season was a loan from Peterborough Petes. Similarly his move to Sheffield Steeldogs announced at the start of February was a loan deal from Peterborough. Apart from the loan periods he has been stated on Peterborough's own roster page. For some reason, the current loan deal has removed him from Elite Prospects Peterborough page. But if you look at the transfer details at the base of his Eliteprospects page it's clearly listed as a loan, as it was also recorded and announced by Sheffield and Peterborough. So he's still a Pete, as confirmed at the end of Peterborough's announcement about the Steeldog's loan: gopetesgo.com/article/peterborough-petes-loan-forward-liam-kirk-to-the-sheffield-steeldogs
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Post by bobness on Mar 7, 2021 12:13:34 GMT
How can he be protected ? He's under contract next season with Peterborough. He's eligible for drafting here Is he though? Elite Prospects states Arizona own his rights but that’s he’s unsigned, and there’s no mention of him being at the Petes in 21/22. He can’t be at the Petes in 21/22, as he’s too old? He has to turn pro somewhere next season I think.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 7, 2021 14:08:32 GMT
Is he though? Elite Prospects states Arizona own his rights but that’s he’s unsigned, and there’s no mention of him being at the Petes in 21/22. He can’t be at the Petes in 21/22, as he’s too old? He has to turn pro somewhere next season I think. Can he not stay as an overage player? I'm sure you get to keep a handful on an extra year if you want? (Also got in my head that if he does, he counts as double because he's an import). Fun fact: looked up overage rules in ohl and this came up on the first result: "Ontario Hockey League teams have the ability to carry three 20-year-old overage players each season. Luke Pither and Bryan Cameron of the Barrie Colts each return to the league this season as 1989-born players competing in one last season of major junior eligibility" The algorithm is trying to link me to Panthers players!
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Post by bobness on Mar 7, 2021 14:22:13 GMT
He can’t be at the Petes in 21/22, as he’s too old? He has to turn pro somewhere next season I think. Can he not stay as an overage player? I'm sure you get to keep a handful on an extra year if you want? (Also got in my head that if he does, he counts as double because he's an import). Fun fact: looked up overage rules in ohl and this came up on the first result: "Ontario Hockey League teams have the ability to carry three 20-year-old overage players each season. Luke Pither and Bryan Cameron of the Barrie Colts each return to the league this season as 1989-born players competing in one last season of major junior eligibility" The algorithm is trying to link me to Panthers players! I thought his overage year was 20-21?
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Post by wgray on Mar 7, 2021 15:07:49 GMT
Can he not stay as an overage player? I'm sure you get to keep a handful on an extra year if you want? (Also got in my head that if he does, he counts as double because he's an import). Fun fact: looked up overage rules in ohl and this came up on the first result: "Ontario Hockey League teams have the ability to carry three 20-year-old overage players each season. Luke Pither and Bryan Cameron of the Barrie Colts each return to the league this season as 1989-born players competing in one last season of major junior eligibility" The algorithm is trying to link me to Panthers players! I thought his overage year was 20-21? He’s 21 now so that makes him ineligible to play as an overage player, so you’re right Bob, 20-21 must have been his last season. So, if Sheffield have signed him to a contract for 21/22 then they can protect him in this mini-series.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 7, 2021 17:30:24 GMT
No Ben O'Connor in the Elite Series.
Rules himself out as they are paying all Brits the same and he can't afford the pay cut versus non-hockey work for 5 weeks+
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Post by iginla on Mar 7, 2021 18:34:47 GMT
No Ben O'Connor in the Elite Series. Rules himself out as they are paying all Brits the same and he can't afford the pay cut versus non-hockey work for 5 weeks+ In other words.... Proves he’s the “show pony” he appears to be and thinks he’s worth more than everybody else ! 🤣
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Post by wannabe2 on Mar 7, 2021 19:20:31 GMT
He is only a so called show,pony because he,is a Steeler, why should he leave a better paid job to get 5 weeks work and lose money, would you, somehow I think not. Stay Safe All.
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