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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 28, 2021 15:09:51 GMT
That's because you weren't taught it from an early age... Which is kind of my point. Sorry Jord, I’ve played cricket all my life and never heard of right handed players being “taught” to bat left handed. As is evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of cricketers are right handed. I’m right handed and can barely hold a bat left handed at all. Im pretty sure that the stats don’t back this up either. Less than 20% of cricketers bat left handed, which given 15% or so are actually left handed to start with, that’s not too many being “converted”. Around 5% of the 80%? The phenomenon is much, much more prevalent in hockey. I used cricket as an example of the ideal in the English game. Ideally many natural right handers would benefit from batting left handed as they do in Ice Hockey. The figures add up in ice hockey, not even close in cricket I agree. The ratio of left handed batsman to right at Test/County level cricket is far closer than at village green level. Many left handers at test level are naturally right handed.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 28, 2021 15:46:35 GMT
Update on Perlini (and Steve Lee of course). Pustertal begin their playoff Qf v Lustenau commences on 1st April and reduced to best of three instead of five as planned, due to covid precautions Also, as an aside, Tousignant is involved in the playoff final best of seven series for Sport Club Miercurea Ciuc v Corona Brasov, beginning on 30th.
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Post by iginla on Mar 28, 2021 18:09:14 GMT
Update on Perlini (and Steve Lee of course). Pustertal begin their playoff Qf v Lustenau commences on 1st April and reduced to best of three instead of five as planned, due to covid precautions Also, as an aside, Tousignant is involved in the playoff final best of seven series for Sport Club Miercurea Ciuc v Corona Brasov, beginning on 30th. So presumably that means no Perlini in Panthers line up for a few games. Does he have to isolate when he fly’s in ?
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 28, 2021 18:37:59 GMT
Sorry Jord, I’ve played cricket all my life and never heard of right handed players being “taught” to bat left handed. As is evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of cricketers are right handed. I’m right handed and can barely hold a bat left handed at all. Im pretty sure that the stats don’t back this up either. Less than 20% of cricketers bat left handed, which given 15% or so are actually left handed to start with, that’s not too many being “converted”. Around 5% of the 80%? The phenomenon is much, much more prevalent in hockey. I used cricket as an example of the ideal in the English game. Ideally many natural right handers would benefit from batting left handed as they do in Ice Hockey. The figures add up in ice hockey, not even close in cricket I agree. The ratio of left handed batsman to right at Test/County level cricket is far closer than at village green level. Many left handers at test level are naturally right handed. I'm one of those curious ones who can perhaps back up Jords point a little. I bowl left handed, am left handed but bat right. I think it happens more for left handed people as parents naturally get you to bat right handed when first picking a bat up. There is plenty of theory in cricket about batting with your dominant hand as your top hand being better for control. Although I have say Ive not heard specificaly of a coach teaching it, id have thought most people have already got used to batting a certain way by the time they get to being coached. There are some really famous examples out there. Some of the very best. Gayle, G Smith, Cook, Lara, Sangakara, Andy Flower, Adam Ghilcrist & Stokes probably the biggest names to bat left but be right handed. To add, Tendulkar is really quite strange. He bats and bowls right handed, but eats and writes left handed. So is, in fact a left handed person who bats right, as are Michael Clarke and Kane Williamson. That's a high % of the top batsemn from the last 30 or so years i'd say.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 29, 2021 18:20:47 GMT
I used cricket as an example of the ideal in the English game. Ideally many natural right handers would benefit from batting left handed as they do in Ice Hockey. The figures add up in ice hockey, not even close in cricket I agree. The ratio of left handed batsman to right at Test/County level cricket is far closer than at village green level. Many left handers at test level are naturally right handed. I'm one of those curious ones who can perhaps back up Jords point a little. I bowl left handed, am left handed but bat right. I think it happens more for left handed people as parents naturally get you to bat right handed when first picking a bat up. There is plenty of theory in cricket about batting with your dominant hand as your top hand being better for control. Although I have say Ive not heard specificaly of a coach teaching it, id have thought most people have already got used to batting a certain way by the time they get to being coached. There are some really famous examples out there. Some of the very best. Gayle, G Smith, Cook, Lara, Sangakara, Andy Flower, Adam Ghilcrist & Stokes probably the biggest names to bat left but be right handed. To add, Tendulkar is really quite strange. He bats and bowls right handed, but eats and writes left handed. So is, in fact a left handed person who bats right, as are Michael Clarke and Kane Williamson. That's a high % of the top batsemn from the last 30 or so years i'd say. Yep, when you look at how many of the top left handed batsman of our era are actually natural right handers you sure see a developing pattern. Cricket is way behind the times to Ice Hockey in that regard.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 29, 2021 19:05:24 GMT
Is it actually a thing though? I mean, are they actually trained that way with some specific advantage in mind?
I would assume most players just find whatever is comfortable, but in terms of hockey a right hander having the less dominant hand lower down seems quite logical to me, for control of the puck etc. I'm not sure a cricket grip can be compared with a hockey grip to suggest they're doing it wrong.
I'm sure you could produce a pretty impressive list of RH/RH, LH/LH cricketers/hockey players if you wanted to.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 29, 2021 19:54:20 GMT
Is it actually a thing though? I mean, are they actually trained that way with some specific advantage in mind? I would assume most players just find whatever is comfortable, but in terms of hockey a right hander having the less dominant hand lower down seems quite logical to me, for control of the puck etc. I'm not sure a cricket grip can be compared with a hockey grip to suggest they're doing it wrong. I'm sure you could produce a pretty impressive list of RH/RH, LH/LH cricketers/hockey players if you wanted to. With cricket it's less the top hand as in ice hockey but more the leading elbow, foot, knee then shoulder in that order. When you bat right handed at cricket your entire lhs leads and ideally the leading side would be your dominant side.
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Post by Fez on Mar 30, 2021 15:28:24 GMT
Heard once that Graeme Thorpe, naturally right handed, learned to bat left handed because his brothers found it harder to bowl to him in the garden.
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Post by bobness on Mar 30, 2021 16:10:30 GMT
Heard once that Graeme Thorpe, naturally right handed, learned to bat left handed because his brothers found it harder to bowl to him in the garden. So, nothing to do with "dominant sides" then? There is a school of thought that left handers are more prevalent in cricket as they force thinking and errors from the opposite sides. Isn't it a pain to bowl to a LH/RH pair? You curse singles... The IPL this year, the mega money in the draft, IIRC, was on left arm over pace bowlers, for "the angle" they create to right handers.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 30, 2021 16:33:21 GMT
Heard once that Graeme Thorpe, naturally right handed, learned to bat left handed because his brothers found it harder to bowl to him in the garden. So, nothing to do with "dominant sides" then? There is a school of thought that left handers are more prevalent in cricket as they force thinking and errors from the opposite sides. Isn't it a pain to bowl to a LH/RH pair? You curse singles... The IPL this year, the mega money in the draft, IIRC, was on left arm over pace bowlers, for "the angle" they create to right handers. Only a pain if the bowler cannot maintain line discipline. Some bowlers enjoy bowling at left handers. As a batsman I liked facing left arm bowlers as they helped me hit through the V more.
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Post by iginla on Mar 30, 2021 19:12:19 GMT
Is it actually a thing though? I mean, are they actually trained that way with some specific advantage in mind? I would assume most players just find whatever is comfortable, but in terms of hockey a right hander having the less dominant hand lower down seems quite logical to me, for control of the puck etc. I'm not sure a cricket grip can be compared with a hockey grip to suggest they're doing it wrong. I'm sure you could produce a pretty impressive list of RH/RH, LH/LH cricketers/hockey players if you wanted to. With cricket it's less the top hand as in ice hockey but more the leading elbow, foot, knee then shoulder in that order. When you bat right handed at cricket your entire lhs leads and ideally the leading side would be your dominant side. Ah but what you are forgetting Jord is it’s not just about dominant hands.....what about dominant eyes. 🤣🤣
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 30, 2021 19:46:44 GMT
With cricket it's less the top hand as in ice hockey but more the leading elbow, foot, knee then shoulder in that order. When you bat right handed at cricket your entire lhs leads and ideally the leading side would be your dominant side. Ah but what you are forgetting Jord is it’s not just about dominant hands.....what about dominant eyes. 🤣🤣 Dominant eyes aren't actually that important when batting. The brain takes a picture from a combination of both eyes. What's more important when batting is if you see line or length of a delivery first. Most people usually see one or the other first & their trigger movements are naturally based around this visualization.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 3, 2021 12:15:55 GMT
Update on Perlini (and Steve Lee of course). Pustertal begin their playoff Qf v Lustenau commences on 1st April and reduced to best of three instead of five as planned, due to covid precautions Also, as an aside, Tousignant is involved in the playoff final best of seven series for Sport Club Miercurea Ciuc v Corona Brasov, beginning on 30th. Pustertal trail 1-0 in the best of three, losing game one 6-0. Neither Lee nor Pither dressed, Perlni 2pm, Connelly +1 for Lustenau. Game two tonight.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 3, 2021 19:57:56 GMT
Update on Perlini (and Steve Lee of course). Pustertal begin their playoff Qf v Lustenau commences on 1st April and reduced to best of three instead of five as planned, due to covid precautions Also, as an aside, Tousignant is involved in the playoff final best of seven series for Sport Club Miercurea Ciuc v Corona Brasov, beginning on 30th. Pustertal trail 1-0 in the best of three, losing game one 6-0. Neither Lee nor Pither dressed, Perlni 2pm, Connelly +1 for Lustenau. Game two tonight. Pustertal lose game two 3-1 and the series.
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Post by fishman on Apr 6, 2021 17:46:03 GMT
Looks like apathy is set in again, Panthers playing Storm tonight be you wouldn't know it look on this forum
Will Wallace be back on the bench? and I see Lacko's name is on the team sheet
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 6, 2021 19:30:59 GMT
Looks like apathy is set in again, Panthers playing Storm tonight be you wouldn't know it look on this forum Will Wallace be back on the bench? and I see Lacko's name is on the team sheet Clarke-Pizzo not listed on team sheet.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 6, 2021 19:36:44 GMT
Update on Perlini (and Steve Lee of course). Pustertal begin their playoff Qf v Lustenau commences on 1st April and reduced to best of three instead of five as planned, due to covid precautions Also, as an aside, Tousignant is involved in the playoff final best of seven series for Sport Club Miercurea Ciuc v Corona Brasov, beginning on 30th. Pustertal trail 1-0 in the best of three, losing game one 6-0. Neither Lee nor Pither dressed, Perlni 2pm, Connelly +1 for Lustenau. Game two tonight. Ciuc lead Brasov 3-2 in the best of seven and need one win for the championship
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Post by spik on Apr 7, 2021 16:17:07 GMT
Looks like apathy is set in again, Panthers playing Storm tonight be you wouldn't know it look on this forum Will Wallace be back on the bench? and I see Lacko's name is on the team sheet GDT thread I think. Might as well close this one down now.
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