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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 20, 2019 20:07:55 GMT
Why? Aren’t the right drums available till then? Other teams seem to be able to get drums in straight away. We'll wait until we find the right player drum that works for the team. It's a tough market right now.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 20, 2019 20:10:05 GMT
Fun facts:
Vallerand has 8 goals in 10 games.
Our import forwards have 9 in a combined 65 games.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 20, 2019 20:10:54 GMT
The team is now playing GD’s “vision” but we have nowhere near the skill or class to be able to play that way. Worked better yesterday as Cardiff had a huge off night. We will win some and lose a lot. Smallest crowd I have seen at a Cardiff game today too. Just shy of 5k on the gamesheet. 😂 Sounds about right. The BS is going to kill the Panthers and it looks like the life support machine is just about to be wheeled out properly after the midweek game. Pity that the BBC BS fest last week wasn’t a bit more Jeremy Paxman than Kermit the Frog and finally nailed the crap for once and for all. The Panthers think they are being so clever but really they are just Edinburgh in disguise with a nice warm city centre arena propping the Bermuda boys up.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 20, 2019 20:17:46 GMT
I'm more interested in the drums than the pointless score, how were the drums? No drums til November. Well that shows how little attention I'm paying doesn't it.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 20, 2019 20:18:43 GMT
That's why he's a "Former ITK" Agreed. I know nothing... Maybe.
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Post by PantherB on Oct 20, 2019 20:29:03 GMT
Well that shows how little attention I'm paying doesn't it. Dennis took a little bongo drum in tonight, was hitting it all game and chanting as he does. Most of the game was that silent all I could hear was Dennis and his drum. He was in block 18, I'm in 11.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 20, 2019 20:37:51 GMT
Surprised Gary didn't deploy the stormtroopers to remove it, and him, for ignoring his strict trial period with Jord-like abandon.
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Post by Optic on Oct 20, 2019 20:48:01 GMT
Don't know how he's allowed in with his instruments to be honest, no one else is.
Much improved from the Panthers though, can still see a big difference between the 2 sides though.
Rheult can go, followed by Bulmer... I do hope Bulmer can find something though as I think he can do a good job with us!
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Post by oldman on Oct 20, 2019 21:48:09 GMT
i am more concerned that the coach thought it was a decent performance, if he truly thinks that then we are screwed the scored 4 goals with no reply from us , I hate having a go at NM’s but i am beginning to think go with Whistle and Gospel instead of Carr free up an import place for maybe a guy who can find the net
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Post by iginla on Oct 20, 2019 22:44:34 GMT
i am more concerned that the coach thought it was a decent performance, if he truly thinks that then we are screwed the scored 4 goals with no reply from us , I hate having a go at NM’s but i am beginning to think go with Whistle and Gospel instead of Carr free up an import place for maybe a guy who can find the net Granted I’ve not been to games,but has Carr got a problem with his long range vision because he just doesn’t seem to see shots from any sort of distance. Far too many goals whizzing past him where he just doesn’t seem to see the puck. I’m beginning to think he’s decidedly average. 😁
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Post by iginla on Oct 20, 2019 22:51:59 GMT
The team is now playing GD’s “vision” but we have nowhere near the skill or class to be able to play that way. Worked better yesterday as Cardiff had a huge off night. We will win some and lose a lot. Smallest crowd I have seen at a Cardiff game today too. Just shy of 5k on the gamesheet. 😂 Panthers v Cardiff......4994 Sheffield v Dundee....5839 Those two Sunday crowds should be telling Neil Black something......the chickens are coming home Neil !
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 21, 2019 0:58:38 GMT
Just shy of 5k on the gamesheet. 😂 Panthers v Cardiff......4994 Sheffield v Dundee....5839 Those two Sunday crowds should be telling Neil Black something......the chickens are coming home Neil ! we arnt the only ones handing out tickets... it’s surprising to hear how much others hand out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 3:55:30 GMT
The interest from the public who go to watch a eihl game live is waining.. every team hands out freebies now to increase their attendance. Take all those away and every rink/arena up and down to place would look half empty. The whole eihl is treading water these days I think
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Post by loupowell52 on Oct 21, 2019 6:38:45 GMT
In my opinion everything about the Elite League is "treading water" except for the actual standard of play which is most certainly going backwards.
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Post by Higgy on Oct 21, 2019 7:14:21 GMT
Crowds were down in most venues early in the season but dont appear to have picked up at all. 5 years ago crowds were on the increase everywhere...not anymore seemingly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 7:42:16 GMT
Games are just incredibly dull over here I've said before there isnt the skill level in this league to keep the interest high and make games exciting when the fighting/physical element is being eradicated from the game.
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Post by lincspanther on Oct 21, 2019 7:58:47 GMT
Games are just incredibly dull over here I've said before there isnt the skill level in this league to keep the interest high and make games exciting when the fighting/physical element is being eradicated from the game. I noticed last night there were a few incidents where you thought a good old scrap could ensue but it fizzled out. Is it the players or is there an active element from within which is trying to reduce fights?
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Post by wolfmac on Oct 21, 2019 8:05:11 GMT
The interest from the public who go to watch a eihl game live is waining.. every team hands out freebies now to increase their attendance. Take all those away and every rink/arena up and down to place would look half empty. The whole eihl is treading water these days I think I do think it’s important to note that freebies can pay off if you make sure the product is worth coming back to. I’d be surprised if Sheffield handed out more than a few hundred; almost their entire crowd is decked out in orange jerseys game-on-game. I think the EIHL will be fine for a while, but with Panthers you are seeing one or two chickens coming home for sure. If you’re not only losing, but doing so boringly, with no tangible charisma or action for the casuals, then which demographic will it ever appeal to? Cardiff have their own new arena, usually win and are well-integrated with their fanbase and the city; Belfast are similarly reliable with the wins and have marketable character; Sheffield stay driven by the sheer force of the fans, of whom there are a lot with very few casuals at all, and are now back on the glory hunt. Also, each of these teams are not short on traditions and gimmicks that bring players and fans closer together. Devils have the long-standing ayatollah among various other things, and Steelers have the Eddy celebration which players honour eagerly and with genuine enjoyment. Panthers are without the identity established during the Neilson years - any identity at all, at this point - on a sobering downward turn, in a bleakly quiet arena, with nothing personal and organic to connect with fans over and are heavily reliant on casuals who are spoilt for choice when it comes to picking a better night out if anything about the hockey stops being exciting, rewarding or fun. Apart from Storm, who I think will be in the NIHL next year, I would say Nottingham are the only team in clear trouble if things don’t change - which I think they will. Of course, unless Steelers are on the brink of liquidation with their new squad and are frantically hoping to break even this year, but I assume those days are gone.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2019 8:42:36 GMT
The interest from the public who go to watch a eihl game live is waining.. every team hands out freebies now to increase their attendance. Take all those away and every rink/arena up and down to place would look half empty. The whole eihl is treading water these days I think I do think it’s important to note that freebies can pay off if you make sure the product is worth coming back to. I’d be surprised if Sheffield handed out more than a few hundred; almost their entire crowd is decked out in orange jerseys game-on-game. I think the EIHL will be fine for a while, but with Panthers you are seeing one or two chickens coming home for sure. If you’re not only losing, but doing so boringly, with no tangible charisma or action for the casuals, then which demographic will it ever appeal to? Cardiff have their own new arena, usually win and are well-integrated with their fanbase and the city; Belfast are similarly reliable with the wins and have marketable character; Sheffield stay driven by the sheer force of the fans, of whom there are a lot with very few casuals at all, and are now back on the glory hunt. Panthers are without the identity established during the Neilson years - any identity at all, at this point - on a sobering downward turn, in a bleakly quiet arena and are heavily reliant on casual fans who are spoilt for choice when it comes to picking a better night out if anything about the hockey stops being exciting, rewarding or fun. Apart from Storm, who I think will be in the NIHL next year, I would say Nottingham are the only team in clear trouble if things don’t change - which I think they will. Of course, unless Steelers are on the brink of liquidation with their new squad and are frantically hoping to break even this year, but I assume those days are gone. Ive said it here for years that the interest in UK ice hockey is very small and unsustainable in its present form. What NB is on is a cash grab now before it all goes wrong (hence the DOH firewall). It doesn’t matter how successful your numbers are if you have no one to play against and giving free tickets away has never boosted long term revenue (or they wouldn’t need to still be giving so many away after all these years). In fact you have teams all over Europe collapsing over the last few years. NB will be hoping that crowd numbers stay up during this watering down of quality (they won’t) but if not then take the money and run. 25% of “gate money” spent on players was the big clue there which many seemed to have missed by most. 25% of gate money wouldn’t make a dent in the Cardiff roster or several other teams either. Take the money and run.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 21, 2019 8:48:15 GMT
Games are just incredibly dull over here I've said before there isnt the skill level in this league to keep the interest high and make games exciting when the fighting/physical element is being eradicated from the game. I noticed last night there were a few incidents where you thought a good old scrap could ensue but it fizzled out. Is it the players or is there an active element from within which is trying to reduce fights? I think the sport as a whole is moving away from it, there's the obvious fear of future litigation for failing to protect your players - we now know better the effects fighters can suffer from repeated head trauma, so why did we let them keep doing it etc? It'll be banned outright before too long. As Pidge says, this works ok when you have top players who can play great stuff. When you don't, you end up with the Elite League.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2019 8:51:47 GMT
I noticed last night there were a few incidents where you thought a good old scrap could ensue but it fizzled out. Is it the players or is there an active element from within which is trying to reduce fights? I think the sport as a whole is moving away from it, there's the obvious fear of future litigation for failing to protect your players - we now know better the effects fighters can suffer from repeated head trauma, so why did we let them keep doing it etc? It'll be banned outright before too long. As Pidge says, this works ok when you have top players who can play great stuff. When you don't, you end up with the Elite League. Pretty near all the fighters the league has signed over the last few years have all announced themselves that they no longer have an interest in fighting. Springers interview in the Clan podcast is actually very interesting.
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Post by Higgy on Oct 21, 2019 9:27:51 GMT
I noticed last night there were a few incidents where you thought a good old scrap could ensue but it fizzled out. Is it the players or is there an active element from within which is trying to reduce fights? As Pidge says, this works ok when you have top players who can play great stuff. When you don't, you end up with the Elite League. Exactly...the SHL for example is great to watch and that has no fighting as it is played at 100mph and the skill level is very high. We dont have that skill level or speed here so take out fights and the league is really dull as the skill doesn't make up for no fights.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 9:28:56 GMT
As Pidge says, this works ok when you have top players who can play great stuff. When you don't, you end up with the Elite League. Exactly...the SHL for example is great to watch and that has no fighting as it is played at 100mph and the skill level is very high. We dont have that skill level or speed here so take out fights and the league is really dull as the skill doesn't make up for no fights. Spot on.
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Post by iginla on Oct 21, 2019 9:51:04 GMT
I do think it’s important to note that freebies can pay off if you make sure the product is worth coming back to. I’d be surprised if Sheffield handed out more than a few hundred; almost their entire crowd is decked out in orange jerseys game-on-game. I think the EIHL will be fine for a while, but with Panthers you are seeing one or two chickens coming home for sure. If you’re not only losing, but doing so boringly, with no tangible charisma or action for the casuals, then which demographic will it ever appeal to? Cardiff have their own new arena, usually win and are well-integrated with their fanbase and the city; Belfast are similarly reliable with the wins and have marketable character; Sheffield stay driven by the sheer force of the fans, of whom there are a lot with very few casuals at all, and are now back on the glory hunt. Panthers are without the identity established during the Neilson years - any identity at all, at this point - on a sobering downward turn, in a bleakly quiet arena and are heavily reliant on casual fans who are spoilt for choice when it comes to picking a better night out if anything about the hockey stops being exciting, rewarding or fun. Apart from Storm, who I think will be in the NIHL next year, I would say Nottingham are the only team in clear trouble if things don’t change - which I think they will. Of course, unless Steelers are on the brink of liquidation with their new squad and are frantically hoping to break even this year, but I assume those days are gone. Ive said it here for years that the interest in UK ice hockey is very small and unsustainable in its present form. What NB is on is a cash grab now before it all goes wrong (hence the DOH firewall). It doesn’t matter how successful your numbers are if you have no one to play against and giving free tickets away has never boosted long term revenue (or they wouldn’t need to still be giving so many away after all these years). In fact you have teams all over Europe collapsing over the last few years. NB will be hoping that crowd numbers stay up during this watering down of quality (they won’t) but if not then take the money and run. 25% of “gate money” spent on players was the big clue there which many seemed to have missed by most. 25% of gate money wouldn’t make a dent in the Cardiff roster or several other teams either. Take the money and run. The difference between the Panthers and the Devils spending is that yes Panthers spend maybe 20% of their revenue on players but the Devils will be spending probably 50% of their revenue on their players. Black needs to up his % spend by another 5 or 10% that’s where he’s going wrong on the ice. He claims Panthers and Clan are run the same way on the same % of revenue on player spend,that’s just absolute crap. Bearing in mind Panthers crowds are double what the Clan get,then Black is therefore suggesting Panthers player spend is double that of the Clan. That’s utter spherical objects !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 10:07:54 GMT
As Pidge says, this works ok when you have top players who can play great stuff. When you don't, you end up with the Elite League. Exactly...the SHL for example is great to watch and that has no fighting as it is played at 100mph and the skill level is very high. We dont have that skill level or speed here so take out fights and the league is really dull as the skill doesn't make up for no fights. Also I've been fortunate to see two SEL games (as it was then known) and the skill level was off the charts. There was no fighting but loads of hits been finished etc and it was intense to watch. I believe this Wednesday is the first live Freesports game (Fife v Belfast) someone correct me if I'm wrong but unless you support one of those teams can it really be a spectacle for the neutral? And exciting to watch?
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