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Post by Walitzer on Aug 7, 2019 13:17:40 GMT
So can you explain your reasoning for why Liam Reddox, Chad Rau and Martin St.Pierre will all fail? Can you support your pessimism with cases of older players directly from KHL/SHL level leagues joining non-Panthers EIHL teams and flopping?
Because the standard here is poor and will forever be seen as a 'wind down' league. You really think if Reddox had tonnes to give, Vaxjo would let him go and a captain at that. I will take this league seriously when we start attacking quality players in their prime. Exactly whats wrong with being a league for early-mid 30s SHL and KHL players to "wind down"? Just because you sign older players from top leagues doesn't mean you can't also sign young talent who are on the rise like Malmquist.
Do you think the SHL and KHL are embarrassed because they are "wind down" leagues for top NHL talent?
Reddox is past his prime in the SHL, but he will have tonnes to give in the EIHL, maybe not all on the ice. You don't become the Captain of a trophy winning SHL team with a poor attitude and work ethic.
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Post by doug on Aug 7, 2019 16:12:55 GMT
Brust would be a decent starting netty, you'd have to say. On paper, at least. If so, Steelers really look like they've thrown some money at it this year. If they can start winning at home, the shed will be full, only this year with full price paying customers. If not, bad things will happen... What "bad things" will happen? Won nothing for three years playing the most boring hockey and STILL increased crowds who are, trust me, in the main paying customers! Get the hockey back to standard and, win or lose, the (un)faithful will return!
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Post by bobness on Aug 7, 2019 16:35:01 GMT
Brust would be a decent starting netty, you'd have to say. On paper, at least. If so, Steelers really look like they've thrown some money at it this year. If they can start winning at home, the shed will be full, only this year with full price paying customers. If not, bad things will happen... What "bad things" will happen? Won nothing for three years playing the most boring hockey and STILL increased crowds who are, trust me, in the main paying customers! Get the hockey back to standard and, win or lose, the (un)faithful will return! When you have to sell seats for a fiver to get punters in (there's no other reason, surely?) then you need to get the love back. I'm sure they will come back at full price, if the winning continues. I'm not so sure how crowds behave when Steelers aren't winning most games at home, Steelers fans demand results a bit more and vote with their feet quicker? Compare and contrast to Panthers, of course. I'll be astonished if Steelers don't spend all year in the top 3 this season, to be fair, they have a good looking squad, that looks too good to be pants.
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Post by doug on Aug 7, 2019 17:16:02 GMT
It's the old fallacy that Steeler's fans only turn up when they're winning, whereas Panther's fans are nowhere near as fickle! Under Matsos we won everything but crowds dropped, that was because the hockey was boring! Read the post again. The £5 tickets are midweek or versus opposition that traditionally are not "attractive". What would your Wednesday crowd be versus Dundee? Would you sell out playing Glasgow? There will be at least 6000 at these games which do NOT include freebies! Steelers have got some good deals going with various Sponsors who employ many people, the biggest being £10 tickets for certain union's members. All we are saying is, for God's sake entertain us!!
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Post by bobness on Aug 7, 2019 17:25:10 GMT
It's the old fallacy that Steeler's fans only turn up when they're winning, whereas Panther's fans are nowhere near as fickle! Under Matsos we won everything but crowds dropped, that was because the hockey was boring! Read the post again. The £5 tickets are midweek or versus opposition that traditionally are not "attractive". What would your Wednesday crowd be versus Dundee? Would you sell out playing Glasgow? There will be at least 6000 at these games which do NOT include freebies! Steelers have got some good deals going with various Sponsors who employ many people, the biggest being £10 tickets for certain union's members. All we are saying is, for God's sake entertain us!! Fair enough, amen to that sentiment at the end.
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Post by iginla on Aug 7, 2019 17:27:47 GMT
It's the old fallacy that Steeler's fans only turn up when they're winning, whereas Panther's fans are nowhere near as fickle! Under Matsos we won everything but crowds dropped, that was because the hockey was boring! Read the post again. The £5 tickets are midweek or versus opposition that traditionally are not "attractive". What would your Wednesday crowd be versus Dundee? Would you sell out playing Glasgow? There will be at least 6000 at these games which do NOT include freebies! Steelers have got some good deals going with various Sponsors who employ many people, the biggest being £10 tickets for certain union's members. All we are saying is, for God's sake entertain us!! A 6000 crowd at £5 though Doug is only 2000 ish at full price. If you took away those extra 20,000 or so fans last season who attended the £5 games then your crowds probably didn’t increase last year. The £5 games only work if you get those fans coming back again.
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Post by wolfmac on Aug 7, 2019 18:54:40 GMT
It's the old fallacy that Steeler's fans only turn up when they're winning, whereas Panther's fans are nowhere near as fickle! Under Matsos we won everything but crowds dropped, that was because the hockey was boring! Read the post again. The £5 tickets are midweek or versus opposition that traditionally are not "attractive". What would your Wednesday crowd be versus Dundee? Would you sell out playing Glasgow? There will be at least 6000 at these games which do NOT include freebies! Steelers have got some good deals going with various Sponsors who employ many people, the biggest being £10 tickets for certain union's members. All we are saying is, for God's sake entertain us!! A 6000 crowd at £5 though Doug is only 2000 ish at full price. If you took away those extra 20,000 or so fans last season who attended the £5 games then your crowds probably didn’t increase last year. The £5 games only work if you get those fans coming back again. Sheffield’s attendances definitely increased, even after adjusting for the £5 games. They’ve done well with marketing in the last few years.
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Post by iginla on Aug 7, 2019 20:08:47 GMT
A 6000 crowd at £5 though Doug is only 2000 ish at full price. If you took away those extra 20,000 or so fans last season who attended the £5 games then your crowds probably didn’t increase last year. The £5 games only work if you get those fans coming back again. Sheffield’s attendances definitely increased, even after adjusting for the £5 games. They’ve done well with marketing in the last few years. Oh they’ve definitely increased a lot over the last five or so years,certainly far more than Panthers. Not sure they increased last year on the previous year though. They had one £5 game last year against MK where they got 9000 plus which was probably 5000 more than they would have got had it not been a £5 game,so that one game alone bumped their average up by almost a couple of hundred.
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Post by doug on Aug 8, 2019 14:32:00 GMT
What I can't understand is that, after 22 years of barely missing a game, for the last 3 or 4 I've hardly been. the games I have attended have been so incredibly boring. When I have been I've been amazed at the size of the crowd so obviously marketing has been excellent. They have numerous sponsors and have done a good deal with the arena as well. Like your supporters we have been fed mediocrity for too long but gained new support. Now, if this season is as good as it promises, not only will the old supporters return (possibly), but the new ones will be treated to a product they have not previously sampled. That should Gee 'em up! I hope your club does the same!
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Post by doug on Aug 8, 2019 14:34:21 GMT
It's the old fallacy that Steeler's fans only turn up when they're winning, whereas Panther's fans are nowhere near as fickle! Under Matsos we won everything but crowds dropped, that was because the hockey was boring! Read the post again. The £5 tickets are midweek or versus opposition that traditionally are not "attractive". What would your Wednesday crowd be versus Dundee? Would you sell out playing Glasgow? There will be at least 6000 at these games which do NOT include freebies! Steelers have got some good deals going with various Sponsors who employ many people, the biggest being £10 tickets for certain union's members. All we are saying is, for God's sake entertain us!! A 6000 crowd at £5 though Doug is only 2000 ish at full price. If you took away those extra 20,000 or so fans last season who attended the £5 games then your crowds probably didn’t increase last year. The £5 games only work if you get those fans coming back again. You could also argue that in previous years the games at Ice Sheffield have lowered the average crowd.
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Post by iginla on Aug 8, 2019 20:13:24 GMT
A 6000 crowd at £5 though Doug is only 2000 ish at full price. If you took away those extra 20,000 or so fans last season who attended the £5 games then your crowds probably didn’t increase last year. The £5 games only work if you get those fans coming back again. You could also argue that in previous years the games at Ice Sheffield have lowered the average crowd. Very true Doug they certainly have,so that would bring any perceived arena increase down even further.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2019 19:59:30 GMT
Strach’s is listed on here ('2019/20 Elite League Rosters' thread) as Assistant Coach. Is that right ?
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Post by EMB on Aug 9, 2019 21:01:33 GMT
He’s still going to be around, someone asked at the jersey launch today. Helping in the background.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:03:20 GMT
Hopefully not behind the bench
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2019 22:18:31 GMT
He’s still going to be around, someone asked at the jersey launch today. Helping in the background. Helping in the background ? Lol 🤣 See this is why i said it costs more to run Panthers than Steelers,because they’ve got too many people being paid for hanging around in the background.
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Post by doug on Aug 10, 2019 11:29:00 GMT
He’s still going to be around, someone asked at the jersey launch today. Helping in the background. Helping in the background ? Lol 🤣 See this is why i said it costs more to run Panthers than Steelers,because they’ve got too many people being paid for hanging around in the background. Have you seen how many Steelers have? Even got a video coach!
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Post by iginla on Aug 10, 2019 11:31:59 GMT
Helping in the background ? Lol 🤣 See this is why i said it costs more to run Panthers than Steelers,because they’ve got too many people being paid for hanging around in the background. Have you seen how many Steelers have? Even got a video coach! Oh Christ don’t tell Neil Black that or we’ll be giving Dan Green a new extended title ! 😳
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 10, 2019 11:40:58 GMT
Have you seen how many Steelers have? Even got a video coach! Oh Christ don’t tell Neil Black that or we’ll be giving Dan Green a new extended title ! 😳 I bet he’s given him a fair few under his breath over the years already
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Post by iginla on Aug 10, 2019 12:12:28 GMT
Helping in the background ? Lol 🤣 See this is why i said it costs more to run Panthers than Steelers,because they’ve got too many people being paid for hanging around in the background. Have you seen how many Steelers have? Even got a video coach! Ah but i bet you haven’t got a guy who’s job title is.... “housing and related issues” ! 🤣🤣
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Post by cooperphil156 on Aug 12, 2019 16:06:41 GMT
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Post by bobness on Aug 14, 2019 19:09:53 GMT
Have you seen how many Steelers have? Even got a video coach! Ah but i bet you haven’t got a guy who’s job title is.... “housing and related issues” ! 🤣🤣 I don't care what he does as long as he's good at it. This anti-Dan Green obsession some have is quite unsettling.
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 16, 2019 8:34:01 GMT
Strach’s is listed on here ('2019/20 Elite League Rosters' thread) as Assistant Coach. Is that right ? Strachan was on the ice as an assistant last night at the open training session.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 16, 2019 8:48:39 GMT
Strachan is involved with the coaching as previous, just back in his more part time role.
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Post by dill1015 on Aug 16, 2019 8:56:14 GMT
Strachan is involved with the coaching as previous, just back in his more part time role. Strachan is a solid defensive coach but not great as a head coach. If he's just back to help out and pass on some knowledge to Matherson im happy enough.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 16, 2019 9:07:48 GMT
Strachan is involved with the coaching as previous, just back in his more part time role. Strachan is a solid defensive coach but not great as a head coach. If he's just back to help out and pass on some knowledge to Matherson im happy enough. Agree entirely, Strachs is a fine defensive assistant coach. It's a great fit for him & Panthers.
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