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Post by jk on Jan 29, 2019 23:03:33 GMT
Has every devils fan forgotten about voth? No, but not all Devils fans were fans of his.
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Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 23:08:45 GMT
Well the view of those on here doesn't matter at all really.
DOPS though clearly does, the 'premier' ref getting such a call so clearly wrong in their eyes....
To be fair to the refs I think the angles they would have seen would be behind Rissling or behind Mosey, therefore they may have been unsighted for the contact point. The linesman I’m assuming was watching the line whilst the other possibly too far away on the half way line? Unlike the Belfast game a week earlier when the ref had clear side on view of the check through the numbers forcing Mosey’s head into the plexi. After a brief discussion with the other ref he called it a late hit - Mosey still had the puck! I also wasn’t aware that Cardiff had asked for a review of the hit and that DOPS turned it down because they only publish and explain calls which are upheld (The Belfast guys mentioned Cardiff had asked it to be reviewed) All of them un-sighted eh? Hmm...
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 23:08:47 GMT
Well we don't want disappoint you pidge, so here's a Welsh man on your forum 😉. I'm surprised he wasn't given extra for punching Ulmerwhen he was on the ice and when his shirt was over his head as they stood by the plexi. I never had the devils down as a team of cowards it takes a player to skate off the bench rather than 4 other clowns wearing ref and white on the ice to do something about it eh. Wonder if Mosey makes a miraculous recovery for Saturday..🤔 Hopefully not. It was clear from his stumble as he was helped by the Panthers players he was concussed. Hopefully there’s a protocol that’s followed by the Devils medical team that ensures he is completely over the concussion before he gets back on the ice.
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 23:12:24 GMT
6 game ban simply ridiculous. Smacks of those who want to sanitise hockey including banning fighting. This sport was, is and, hopefully, always will be a physical game. No right minded people will ever want any player to suffer serious injury but hey, if you don't like the physical element go buy a ticket for the ballet. It’s not about stopping physical play. That game was full of physical hard hitting hockey and I’m sure quite a few of those players are carrying bruises because of it. I’m sure you’ll find all players love that type of game. But we must protect players, all players, from head hits because they pose a huge health risk to them.
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Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 23:15:10 GMT
6 game ban simply ridiculous. Smacks of those who want to sanitise hockey including banning fighting. This sport was, is and, hopefully, always will be a physical game. No right minded people will ever want any player to suffer serious injury but hey, if you don't like the physical element go buy a ticket for the ballet. It’s not about stopping physical play. That game was full of physical hard hitting hockey and I’m sure quite a few of those players are carrying bruises because of it. I’m sure you’ll find all players love that type of game. But we must protect players, all players, from head hits because they pose a huge health risk to them. You're talking to a forum where half don't believe it was a head hit..... Trust you're aware of this.
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Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 23:18:05 GMT
Well the view of those on here doesn't matter at all really.
DOPS though clearly does, the 'premier' ref getting such a call so clearly wrong in their eyes....
To be fair to the refs I think the angles they would have seen would be behind Rissling or behind Mosey, therefore they may have been unsighted for the contact point. The linesman I’m assuming was watching the line whilst the other possibly too far away on the half way line? Unlike the Belfast game a week earlier when the ref had clear side on view of the check through the numbers forcing Mosey’s head into the plexi. After a brief discussion with the other ref he called it a late hit - Mosey still had the puck! I also wasn’t aware that Cardiff had asked for a review of the hit and that DOPS turned it down because they only publish and explain calls which are upheld (The Belfast guys mentioned Cardiff had asked it to be reviewed) Well considering that there was no major penalty or even ANY actual penalty called against Rissling for the hit then there was no need for DOPS to automatically review it was there. So who asked for it reviewed....Steelers,perhaps Coventry or the man on the moon ? 🙄 And Mmmmmm,so if as you say the ref couldn’t see the contact point because he was looking from behind Mosey,then what are you (and Dops) seeing on the video,because the camera view was errr behind Mosey too !
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 29, 2019 23:24:08 GMT
Has mosey actually got a concussion? You can get knocked out and not have concussion.
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 23:32:59 GMT
Has mosey actually got a concussion? You can get knocked out and not have concussion. Don’t think they’ve said so. In other words if he feels ok at the weekend he can play with no protocol to stop him.
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Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 23:36:59 GMT
Has mosey actually got a concussion? You can get knocked out and not have concussion. You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though.
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 23:39:43 GMT
Has mosey actually got a concussion? You can get knocked out and not have concussion. You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though. Chortle 🤣🤣
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 23:47:56 GMT
I am also confused by that statement. Can anyone work that out? ‘He did no have time’ suggests that he couldn’t avoid the contact? I’m confused by that statement. I agree, it is a very confusing thing to put. I know it’s difficult to answer as it’s one of your players on the receiving end but do you think that after analysing the hit and taking everything into account e.g. speed, height difference, checking position/posture and a debatable principal point of contact, is this worthy of a 6 game ban? Btw the ban for Ulmer is pathetic and so is that rule. He’s not jumped off the bench straight away and gone after him, time has passed and Ulmer has come on with a shift change. We’re at the point now where hockey has been overrun with bull rules that are meant to sanitise the game. If Ulmer had waited until the whistle thats 5 mins for fighting but because he hasn’t it’s 3 games, what difference does a whistle make? It’s a load of... As an isolated case, yes, 6 game ban is excessive. I didn’t know about the previous ban for elbows in a Sheffield game? So the question revolves around ‘repeat offender’. Should the punishment be greater for a second offence? Maybe there should be a points tally as in other sports - pick up a certain amount and you get extra games sitting in the stand? Though it’s tough to take being a Devils fan especially a clutch guy for us as Ulmer is I agree with the ban. I can’t explain why he decided to have words with Rissling after such a long break that led to him starting a fight, (I read on FB that he didn’t like Rissling laughing at Mosey stumbling whilst being helped off the ice by the Panthers players - that is not confirmed), but in doing so way after the incident he could expect the ban. There’s a lot also been said from all quarters about the lack of response from the Devils players at the hit whether they thought at the time it was legal or not; often you see someone flying in making a point that taking liberties has its consequences. Players are individuals and behave in different ways and although there might be a ‘code’ that some players take on to step up for a team mate at such times not all players take that role. As the EIHL has grown in popularity over the recent years with higher skilled players we are seeing less and less of these types of players. If you read the inferno you’d probably see that quite a few of the fans on there bemoan the fact that the Devils have moved more to a skilled based team from a more physically imposing team. For me, two wrongs don’t make a right, but then I’m not a hockey player. One player down and seriously injured whether from a hit deemed to be good, a hit that was bad but unintentional, or a blatantly dirty hit, is enough for me. Let the DOPS review such plays and then we can debate the outcomes.
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 23:53:43 GMT
It’s not about stopping physical play. That game was full of physical hard hitting hockey and I’m sure quite a few of those players are carrying bruises because of it. I’m sure you’ll find all players love that type of game. But we must protect players, all players, from head hits because they pose a huge health risk to them. You're talking to a forum where half don't believe it was a head hit..... Trust you're aware of this. Yes I am. But it’s in response to the ban received from DOPS who thought it a check to the head.
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 23:56:21 GMT
To be fair to the refs I think the angles they would have seen would be behind Rissling or behind Mosey, therefore they may have been unsighted for the contact point. The linesman I’m assuming was watching the line whilst the other possibly too far away on the half way line? Unlike the Belfast game a week earlier when the ref had clear side on view of the check through the numbers forcing Mosey’s head into the plexi. After a brief discussion with the other ref he called it a late hit - Mosey still had the puck! I also wasn’t aware that Cardiff had asked for a review of the hit and that DOPS turned it down because they only publish and explain calls which are upheld (The Belfast guys mentioned Cardiff had asked it to be reviewed) Well considering that there was no major penalty or even ANY actual penalty called against Rissling for the hit then there was no need for DOPS to automatically review it was there. So who asked for it reviewed....Steelers,perhaps Coventry or the man on the moon ? 🙄 And Mmmmmm,so if as you say the ref couldn’t see the contact point because he was looking from behind Mosey,then what are you (and Dops) seeing on the video,because the camera view was errr behind Mosey too ! DOPS automatically review plays where there’s an injury I hear? The camera view is more form the side rather than behind. It is only an opinion; only the refs can explain why they didn’t call a penalty at the time.
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 23:57:32 GMT
Has mosey actually got a concussion? You can get knocked out and not have concussion. You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though. From the clip you can see he was out cold before hitting the ice.
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 30, 2019 0:04:36 GMT
Has mosey actually got a concussion? You can get knocked out and not have concussion. You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though. It wouldn’t surprise me if he has concussion but I think it would more likely be caused by the whiplash effect of the hit as opposed to any impact itself
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Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 0:07:08 GMT
You're talking to a forum where half don't believe it was a head hit..... Trust you're aware of this. Yes I am. But it’s in response to the ban received from DOPS who thought it a check to the head. Yes but half the people here think the decision by dops is complete spherical objects.
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Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 0:08:50 GMT
You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though. From the clip you can see he was out cold before hitting the ice. That's called being knocked out, not a concussion.
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Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 0:10:20 GMT
You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though. It wouldn’t surprise me if he has concussion but I think it would more likely be caused by the whiplash effect of the hit as opposed to any impact itself Please stop ruining my enjoyment of this with common sense replies.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 30, 2019 0:15:40 GMT
complete joke. disgraceful.
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 0:17:10 GMT
Yes I am. But it’s in response to the ban received from DOPS who thought it a check to the head. Yes but half the people here think the decision by dops is complete spherical objects. Seems more like 90% to me Jord.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 30, 2019 0:21:20 GMT
I'm fairly certain if he comes back after the ban and does the exact same thing without the injury it wouldn't be a ban. 6 games is outrageous.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 30, 2019 0:23:59 GMT
I'm fairly certain if he comes back after the ban and does the exact same thing without the injury it wouldn't be a ban. 6 games is outrageous. also id hope that if someone tries to cut to the middle of the ice and get a golden scoring chance he would do the same thing.
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Post by cjones on Jan 30, 2019 0:38:46 GMT
Yes I am. But it’s in response to the ban received from DOPS who thought it a check to the head. Yes but half the people here think the decision by dops is complete spherical objects. I know; but it’s what DOPS say that goes, whether you agree with them or not
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Post by texpef on Jan 30, 2019 2:10:20 GMT
Yes but half the people here think the decision by dops is complete spherical objects. I know; but it’s what DOPS say that goes, whether you agree with them or not So clearly DOPES are made up of mardiff (TM) fans rather than panthers fans... as opinions do tend to be split unsurprisingly along those lines...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 5:51:51 GMT
I never had the devils down as a team of cowards it takes a player to skate off the bench rather than 4 other clowns wearing ref and white on the ice to do something about it eh. Wonder if Mosey makes a miraculous recovery for Saturday..🤔 Hopefully not. It was clear from his stumble as he was helped by the Panthers players he was concussed. Hopefully there’s a protocol that’s followed by the Devils medical team that ensures he is completely over the concussion before he gets back on the ice. I'm led to believe concussion takes upto 6 weeks to recover fully from ?
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