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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 29, 2019 18:03:33 GMT
I never had the devils down as a team of cowards it takes a player to skate off the bench rather than 4 other clowns wearing ref and white on the ice to do something about it eh. Wonder if Mosey makes a miraculous recovery for Saturday..🤔 Who knows? Hope he does to be honest, genuine question why are you so wound up about the devil's players on the ice and what they did/didn't do? So are you saying you would be disappointed if Mosey was okay by Saturday.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 18:08:31 GMT
Concussion protocol is two weeks minimum isn't it?
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Post by Discoray on Jan 29, 2019 18:13:03 GMT
Well i guess fighting will be on its way out soon aswell then. Maybe, maybe not, that's a whole other topic of discussion. The purpose of a DOPS in any league is to penalise improperly made hits that could cause serious injury, not to end hitting itself. Plenty of other leagues in the world get on just fine with intense and physical play. The other big problem is the British game right now doesn't really know what it wants to be, and no one is giving any real direction.
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Post by bobness on Jan 29, 2019 18:44:36 GMT
Concussion protocol is two weeks minimum isn't it? Who knows? It certainly should be. Let's not forget concussion is a brain injury.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 29, 2019 18:50:21 GMT
What a joke. Games gone. Just skate into people with your head down, then dive = incoming ban.
How is making a hockey play and causing minimal and accidental contact with the head worse than leaving the bench to deliberately punch someone in the head?
Rissling has to make that play, IMO he could have hit him a lot harder if he wanted, he stops skating and half pulled out of it. Darnell got it spot on.
Plus that passage of play was the best and most exciting part of the game. Big hit and fight, the crowd were on their feet!
Tbh, I think we should tank it against the giants in protest.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 19:09:38 GMT
Concussion protocol is two weeks minimum isn't it? Who knows? It certainly should be. Let's not forget concussion is a brain injury. It's 2-3 weeks in other contact sports... But these are professional leagues that are properly run. If the EIHL were deciding he'd get a couple of Nurofen, some Calpol for bedtime & be given the all clear.
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Post by Mark on Jan 29, 2019 19:10:25 GMT
Winning this league means less and less. Owned by a bunch of self interested graspers, with lousy officiating and a lottery board running discipline. The lopsidedness of decision making, from the refs up is at best laughable, and at worst corrupt. The league’s main mouthpieces are ignorant buffoons while organisation seems to be an afterthought. There’s a reason sports like netball get a proper TV deal while ice hockey doesn’t. Professionalism, a rare commodity in this beer league.
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Post by jk on Jan 29, 2019 19:21:03 GMT
What a joke. Games gone. Just skate into people with your head down, then dive = incoming ban. How is making a hockey play and causing minimal and accidental contact with the head worse than leaving the bench to deliberately punch someone in the head? Rissling has to make that play, IMO he could have hit him a lot harder if he wanted, he stops skating and half pulled out of it. Darnell got it spot on. Plus that passage of play was the best and most exciting part of the game. Big hit and fight, the crowd were on their feet! Tbh, I think we should tank it against the giants in protest. Dive ?? Are you actually serious ? Mosey was unconscious. Everyone is saying that Riesling as a Dman had to make the play to stop Mosey , which in part I agree with as that's his job BUT In exactly the same way Moseys focus was to try and score a goal. He had just accepted the puck from Morrisette, how on earth can he check the pass is at his stick, focus in on goal AND keep his head up ?
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 29, 2019 19:24:55 GMT
What a joke. Games gone. Just skate into people with your head down, then dive = incoming ban. How is making a hockey play and causing minimal and accidental contact with the head worse than leaving the bench to deliberately punch someone in the head? Rissling has to make that play, IMO he could have hit him a lot harder if he wanted, he stops skating and half pulled out of it. Darnell got it spot on. Plus that passage of play was the best and most exciting part of the game. Big hit and fight, the crowd were on their feet! Tbh, I think we should tank it against the giants in protest. Dive ?? Are you actually serious ? Mosey was unconscious. Everyone is saying that Riesling as a Dman had to make the play to stop Mosey , which in part I agree with as that's his job BUT In exactly the same way Moseys focus was to try and score a goal. He had just accepted the puck from Morrisette, how on earth can he check the pass is at his stick, focus in on goal AND keep his head up ? Agree with you about the 'dive' comment... that's utterly ridiculous. However... equally ridiculous is your last 'question'... how does he check the puck is on his stick, focus on goal and keep his head up? Ask several thousand other hockey players... they'll tell you that's exactly what they have to do every game. It's called playing hockey. Maybe you should look it up...
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 19:26:21 GMT
Deep down I thought Rissling would get a ban but 6 games is ridiculous. There is contact with the head due to the size difference, but from that video footage how can they categorically say the head was the initial point of contact? The statement contradicts itself as well, “With time, space and speed all taken into consideration, it is felt in the opinion of the DOPS that #93 Jaynen Rissling did not have time and was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact.” So they’re saying he’s not intentionally checked him to the head but he should still avoid head contact? Part of me is saying take it on the chin and move on, but in all honesty I hope we request a review and try to get the ban reduced. I am also confused by that statement. Can anyone work that out? ‘He did no have time’ suggests that he couldn’t avoid the contact? I’m confused by that statement.
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 19:41:17 GMT
What a joke. Games gone. Just skate into people with your head down, then dive = incoming ban. How is making a hockey play and causing minimal and accidental contact with the head worse than leaving the bench to deliberately punch someone in the head? Rissling has to make that play, IMO he could have hit him a lot harder if he wanted, he stops skating and half pulled out of it. Darnell got it spot on. Plus that passage of play was the best and most exciting part of the game. Big hit and fight, the crowd were on their feet! Tbh, I think we should tank it against the giants in protest. Dive ?? Are you actually serious ? Mosey was unconscious. Everyone is saying that Riesling as a Dman had to make the play to stop Mosey , which in part I agree with as that's his job BUT In exactly the same way Moseys focus was to try and score a goal. He had just accepted the puck from Morrisette, how on earth can he check the pass is at his stick, focus in on goal AND keep his head up ? Tough. What did he expect our Dmen to do.......just part like the Red Sea and let him have a clear shot ? I can just imagine what the Devils fans would have said if say Louis had stepped away from say Guptill and just waved him through to score on Bowns. By your argument that Mosey had too little time it could be argued that Morrisette gave Mosey a suicide pass then !
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Post by wgray on Jan 29, 2019 19:41:39 GMT
Deep down I thought Rissling would get a ban but 6 games is ridiculous. There is contact with the head due to the size difference, but from that video footage how can they categorically say the head was the initial point of contact? The statement contradicts itself as well, “With time, space and speed all taken into consideration, it is felt in the opinion of the DOPS that #93 Jaynen Rissling did not have time and was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact.” So they’re saying he’s not intentionally checked him to the head but he should still avoid head contact? Part of me is saying take it on the chin and move on, but in all honesty I hope we request a review and try to get the ban reduced. I am also confused by that statement. Can anyone work that out? ‘He did no have time’ suggests that he couldn’t avoid the contact? I’m confused by that statement. I agree, it is a very confusing thing to put. I know it’s difficult to answer as it’s one of your players on the receiving end but do you think that after analysing the hit and taking everything into account e.g. speed, height difference, checking position/posture and a debatable principal point of contact, is this worthy of a 6 game ban? Btw the ban for Ulmer is pathetic and so is that rule. He’s not jumped off the bench straight away and gone after him, time has passed and Ulmer has come on with a shift change. We’re at the point now where hockey has been overrun with bull rules that are meant to sanitise the game. If Ulmer had waited until the whistle thats 5 mins for fighting but because he hasn’t it’s 3 games, what difference does a whistle make? It’s a load of...
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Post by ojlloyd on Jan 29, 2019 19:54:51 GMT
I’m sorry, but what you’ve said there is quite silly. Where there are still images from a video showing clear contact between shoulder and head, it’s not cherry picking, it’s just evidence of there being contact. How you can argue so vociferously about something you haven’t actually looked back at I don’t know, but I suspect it’s because he’s a Panthers player. I’ll leave at the below, because arguing with someone who doesn’t accept unequivocal evidence is pointless. Like a high tackle in rugby, you can moan all you like about the attacker not being upright, or any height difference, but the rules are clear - person making the hit has to make sure he doesn’t hit head first. He hit Mosey in the head. Not only is there video and picture evidence, but there is now a DOPS decision as well, who do also have access to other cameras. He didn’t Tom Wilson him by smashing him in the head on purpose, but he didn’t do what is required of him as the defending player to stay within the rules. That’s it. Some Panthers’ fans are doing a very good impression of Sheffield fans here, as if there’s some conspiracy against you despite the decision being right. I look forward to the next meeting between the teams, should be feisty. 🙄🤣 Quality response there from the man who genuinely doesn’t have an argument. It wasn’t you who thought the league was a fix because the Panthers weren’t winning the league the other year was it? Looking forward to POFW, as I’m a big fan of chips with plenty of salt, and there is an awful lot in Nottingham right now.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 29, 2019 19:59:56 GMT
Quality response there from the man who genuinely doesn’t have an argument. It wasn’t you who thought the league was a fix because the Panthers weren’t winning the league the other year was it? Looking forward to POFW, as I’m a big fan of chips with plenty of salt, and there is an awful lot in Nottingham right now. Much more in the way of comments like that last, and POFW will likely be your only remaining experience of Nottingham this season...
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 20:07:52 GMT
Quality response there from the man who genuinely doesn’t have an argument. It wasn’t you who thought the league was a fix because the Panthers weren’t winning the league the other year was it? Looking forward to POFW, as I’m a big fan of chips with plenty of salt, and there is an awful lot in Nottingham right now. I have a very good argument and mine stacks up. But I’m still waiting to see your evidence of the primary connection with Mosey’s head that you keep spouting about and not a still picture as that proves nothing. There’s also these other camera angles you mention DOPS had....in which case where is it and why didn’t they use it on the decision article instead of the original angle which we’ve all seen ? Because it doesn’t exist ! We’ll wait for you to post them,but we won’t hold our breath though. 🤣
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Post by jk on Jan 29, 2019 20:08:08 GMT
Dive ?? Are you actually serious ? Mosey was unconscious. Everyone is saying that Riesling as a Dman had to make the play to stop Mosey , which in part I agree with as that's his job BUT In exactly the same way Moseys focus was to try and score a goal. He had just accepted the puck from Morrisette, how on earth can he check the pass is at his stick, focus in on goal AND keep his head up ? Agree with you about the 'dive' comment... that's utterly ridiculous. However... equally ridiculous is your last 'question'... how does he check the puck is on his stick, focus on goal and keep his head up? Ask several thousand other hockey players... they'll tell you that's exactly what they have to do every game. It's called playing hockey. Maybe you should look it up... 'Equally ridiculous' ' maybe you should look it up ' I wasn't rude, I wasn't arrogant, I asked a reasonable question, yet you feel the need to be sarcastic and smart. I don't really get what your problem is . For your information, I have played hockey and watched it for many many years so maybe next time you could just pass on my posts.
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Post by jk on Jan 29, 2019 20:09:25 GMT
Dive ?? Are you actually serious ? Mosey was unconscious. Everyone is saying that Riesling as a Dman had to make the play to stop Mosey , which in part I agree with as that's his job BUT In exactly the same way Moseys focus was to try and score a goal. He had just accepted the puck from Morrisette, how on earth can he check the pass is at his stick, focus in on goal AND keep his head up ? Tough. What did he expect our Dmen to do.......just part like the Red Sea and let him have a clear shot ? I can just imagine what the Devils fans would have said if say Louis had stepped away from say Guptill and just waved him through to score on Bowns. By your argument that Mosey had too little time it could be argued that Morrisette gave Mosey a suicide pass then ! What argument ?
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 29, 2019 20:13:09 GMT
What a joke. Games gone. Just skate into people with your head down, then dive = incoming ban. How is making a hockey play and causing minimal and accidental contact with the head worse than leaving the bench to deliberately punch someone in the head? Rissling has to make that play, IMO he could have hit him a lot harder if he wanted, he stops skating and half pulled out of it. Darnell got it spot on. Plus that passage of play was the best and most exciting part of the game. Big hit and fight, the crowd were on their feet! Tbh, I think we should tank it against the giants in protest. Dive ?? Are you actually serious ? Mosey was unconscious. Everyone is saying that Riesling as a Dman had to make the play to stop Mosey , which in part I agree with as that's his job BUT In exactly the same way Moseys focus was to try and score a goal. He had just accepted the puck from Morrisette, how on earth can he check the pass is at his stick, focus in on goal AND keep his head up ? It’s called awareness. Did he really think he would just get a free run at the net with no defenceman going to stop him?
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 20:15:44 GMT
Tough. What did he expect our Dmen to do.......just part like the Red Sea and let him have a clear shot ? I can just imagine what the Devils fans would have said if say Louis had stepped away from say Guptill and just waved him through to score on Bowns. By your argument that Mosey had too little time it could be argued that Morrisette gave Mosey a suicide pass then ! What argument ? Your saying Mosey had no time to receive the puck and get his head up etc,but why did Mosey have no time ? I’m saying because it could be argued Morrisette gave him a suicide pass.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 20:20:01 GMT
Agree with you about the 'dive' comment... that's utterly ridiculous. However... equally ridiculous is your last 'question'... how does he check the puck is on his stick, focus on goal and keep his head up? Ask several thousand other hockey players... they'll tell you that's exactly what they have to do every game. It's called playing hockey. Maybe you should look it up... 'Equally ridiculous' ' maybe you should look it up ' I wasn't rude, I wasn't arrogant, I asked a reasonable question, yet you feel the need to be sarcastic and smart. I don't really get what your problem is . For your information, I have played hockey and watched it for many many years so maybe next time you could just pass on my posts. 'Lordo'...?! 'I asked you to heal me, I was blind but now I can seeeeee.....'
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Post by BigLad on Jan 29, 2019 20:27:33 GMT
Fair and pretty much spot on too.
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Post by texpef on Jan 29, 2019 21:40:20 GMT
Having seen what is available to me and not some slo mo still by still high definition "extremely clear" guilt ridden pictures and most likely that I am allegedly viewing through panthers rose tinted specs but in my humble opinion the evidence I have seen does not imply any guilt on Rissling other than doing his job. It looks very much like to me that he catches Mosey cold on his blind side but it is not shoulder to head but more shoulder to shoulder although this does knock mosey out cold and his neck and head snap back and forward potentially catching on Rissling then hitting the ice hard. I am prepared to agree his contact with Rissling did cause some of the injury but unless there is undeniable proof otherwise and what is available in the public domain is not conclusive I am struggling to see how he can be deemed guilty unless proved innocent which imho is the case now.
DOPS have taken what imho is the easy option here and assumed guilt, given what has been said by the victim and then, due to another small infraction, has thrown the book at him. Utterly ridiculous decision, and taken I believe because mardiff (I like that even though it lacks class) are still in with a chance of a triple and panthers were out the league race weeks ago, IF panthers were still in with a shout I believe those secret handshakes etc we would have been treated more leniently.
It all does seem to shout that DOPS are doing this to do something as all the heat this is getting from certain quarters... the actual reasons on the EIHL site are nothing short of laughable, guess they had to write something to at least attempt to justify it. If it is that conclusive whats to stop them actually posting the evidence so we can all see it CLEARLY...
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 29, 2019 22:50:11 GMT
What a joke. Games gone. Just skate into people with your head down, then dive = incoming ban. How is making a hockey play and causing minimal and accidental contact with the head worse than leaving the bench to deliberately punch someone in the head? Rissling has to make that play, IMO he could have hit him a lot harder if he wanted, he stops skating and half pulled out of it. Darnell got it spot on. Plus that passage of play was the best and most exciting part of the game. Big hit and fight, the crowd were on their feet! Tbh, I think we should tank it against the giants in protest. Dive ?? Are you actually serious ? Mosey was unconscious. Everyone is saying that Riesling as a Dman had to make the play to stop Mosey , which in part I agree with as that's his job BUT In exactly the same way Moseys focus was to try and score a goal. He had just accepted the puck from Morrisette, how on earth can he check the pass is at his stick, focus in on goal AND keep his head up ? When I’m saying dive, I’m not talking about mosey, I’m talking about what to do if you want someone banned by dopes. Rissling just makes a hockey play, it’s an unfortunate result, but it’s part of the game. It wasn’t targeting the head, it wasn’t particularly aggressive. If mosey doesn’t get injured, he would have jumped back into the play and no more would be said about it. I bet mosey plays at the weekend. I would love to hear what mosey honestly has to say about it, I’m guessing he will shrug it off as part of the game. Dopes should back the refs. The ref should review the video after the game, not some unaccountable person, hiding behind a curtain, viewing frame by frame, if they did that for the whole game everyone would be banned. Has every devils fan forgotten about voth?
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Post by cjones on Jan 29, 2019 22:59:41 GMT
A hit that most on here have been arguing wasn't even illegal in the first place... Poor bloke can't win. Well the view of those on here doesn't matter at all really.
DOPS though clearly does, the 'premier' ref getting such a call so clearly wrong in their eyes....
To be fair to the refs I think the angles they would have seen would be behind Rissling or behind Mosey, therefore they may have been unsighted for the contact point. The linesman I’m assuming was watching the line whilst the other possibly too far away on the half way line? Unlike the Belfast game a week earlier when the ref had clear side on view of the check through the numbers forcing Mosey’s head into the plexi. After a brief discussion with the other ref he called it a late hit - Mosey still had the puck! I also wasn’t aware that Cardiff had asked for a review of the hit and that DOPS turned it down because they only publish and explain calls which are upheld (The Belfast guys mentioned Cardiff had asked it to be reviewed)
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 29, 2019 23:00:30 GMT
Deep down I thought Rissling would get a ban but 6 games is ridiculous. There is contact with the head due to the size difference, but from that video footage how can they categorically say the head was the initial point of contact? The statement contradicts itself as well, “With time, space and speed all taken into consideration, it is felt in the opinion of the DOPS that #93 Jaynen Rissling did not have time and was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact.” So they’re saying he’s not intentionally checked him to the head but he should still avoid head contact? Part of me is saying take it on the chin and move on, but in all honesty I hope we request a review and try to get the ban reduced. I am also confused by that statement. Can anyone work that out? ‘He did no have time’ suggests that he couldn’t avoid the contact? I’m confused by that statement. Basically, next time he should keep skating, use his elbow, take his head clean off, it would still only be 6 games.
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