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Post by tim27 on Jan 30, 2019 6:24:33 GMT
Concussion takes as long as it takes to recover from, you could be fine in a week or you could be done, you do not know until it happens
Think one thing everyone should ask is. If mosey sprung straight up onto his feet from the same hit would devils have reviewed the hit? I think not
Unfortunately, all the new rules are making these injuries happen more frequently, because players think they are untouchable. A fine example of this is you will see players turn into the boards when a player is hounding them know that the defending player can not doing anything but, occasionally this ends badly because a player follows through on his hit and hits him from behind most of the time because there is no time to avoid the contact.
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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 30, 2019 7:28:23 GMT
You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though. Chortle š¤£š¤£ However you can get knocked out.ššš
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 30, 2019 7:48:55 GMT
You know how you often read something but kind of just skim it a little, so you may miss the odd detail or two? Well now I've read through the DOPS report more carefully, and yes - it contradicts itself quite badly:-
(extract) "Jaynen Rissling did not have timeand was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact."
So if he had no time, then it was not avoidable... one or the other, you can't have both. The very basis upon which they made their decision is in their own words a fallacy.
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Post by Pies on Jan 30, 2019 8:54:54 GMT
Is it safe to come on here yet?
Honestly, no matter how many Devils fans tell me Iām wrong, I will stand by that itās a clean check. Perfectly timed, preventing a goal and done within the rules.
Now, if people disagree thatās fine but since thereās no intent, no malicious actions from Rissling, 6 games is too harsh.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 9:01:47 GMT
Yes but half the people here think the decision by dops is complete spherical objects. I know; but itās what DOPS say that goes, whether you agree with them or not Not in this thread it isn't.
The ban for the hit was unjust & a complete joke. Completely clean hit. The only reason Rissling is banned is becasue they had to ban Ulmer.
If you want to change peoples minds in here you have no chance.
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 9:15:51 GMT
You know how you often read something but kind of just skim it a little, so you may miss the odd detail or two? Well now I've read through the DOPS report more carefully, and yes - it contradicts itself quite badly:- (extract) "Jaynen Rissling did not have timeand was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact." So if he had no time, then it was not avoidable... one or the other, you can't have both. The very basis upon which they made their decision is in their own words a fallacy. Spot on Shaggy. Dops say Rissling didnāt have any time,yet Devils fans claim Mosey didnāt have time to receive the puck and get his head up. Yet a guy who made a great play and did nothing wrong gets banned for six games....absolutely farcical !
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Post by cjones on Jan 30, 2019 9:27:41 GMT
I know; but itās what DOPS say that goes, whether you agree with them or not Not in this thread it isn't.
The ban for the hit was unjust & a complete joke. Completely clean hit. The only reason Rissling is banned is becasue they had to ban Ulmer.
If you want to change peoples minds in here you have no chance.
My intent isnāt to change peopleās minds, itās to discuss and exchange thoughts about hockey. If we all agreed all the time it would be a pretty boring forum.
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 10:01:08 GMT
Not in this thread it isn't.
The ban for the hit was unjust & a complete joke. Completely clean hit. The onlyĀ reason Rissling is banned is becasue they had to ban Ulmer.
If youĀ want to change peoples minds in here you have no chance. Ā
My intent isnāt to change peopleās minds, itās to discuss and exchange thoughts about hockey. If we all agreed all the time it would be a pretty boring forum. You better hope that a Devils player doesnāt catch somebody with an alledged unintentional head hit this weekend now the precedent has been set. Oooh now wouldnāt that be some beautiful karma ? š
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Post by cjones on Jan 30, 2019 10:08:03 GMT
My intent isnāt to change peopleās minds, itās to discuss and exchange thoughts about hockey. If we all agreed all the time it would be a pretty boring forum. You better hope that a Devils player doesnāt catch somebody with an alledged unintentional head hit this weekend now the precedent has been set. Oooh now wouldnāt that be some beautiful karma ? š I would stay away from the Inferno for a few days for sure!
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 10:29:05 GMT
Not in this thread it isn't.
The ban for the hit was unjust & a complete joke. Completely clean hit. The only reason Rissling is banned is becasue they had to ban Ulmer.
If you want to change peoples minds in here you have no chance.
My intent isnāt to change peopleās minds, itās to discuss and exchange thoughts about hockey. If we all agreed all the time it would be a pretty boring forum. That's fair enough, we are all here for debate. No one wants to see anyone get injured on the ice.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 30, 2019 11:07:24 GMT
You know how you often read something but kind of just skim it a little, so you may miss the odd detail or two? Well now I've read through the DOPS report more carefully, and yes - it contradicts itself quite badly:- (extract) "Jaynen Rissling did not have timeand was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact." So if he had no time, then it was not avoidable... one or the other, you can't have both. The very basis upon which they made their decision is in their own words a fallacy. I think what they're saying is that while he's not deliberately hit him in the head, he's still done that (in their opinion). The avoidable bit would come down to Rissling not having to make any sort of hit at all, I would assume. It's not an accidental collision. Once he does make deliberate contact, it becomes his responsibility to avoid the head/neck. Obviously you can argue whether he had to or not, and it's been very reasonably stated already on here that he has a responsibility to the Panthers to separate man from puck in that situation. Just the way the game is these days, not unreasonably so, with the increasing awareness of brain injury. There's plenty of examples of career ending and life changing cases. Even Lepine got banned for those monster hits he used to dish out (Globke and Silverthorn?), so it's not that new.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 12:42:42 GMT
It's the equivalent of finding someone guilty of manslaughter, with no conclusive evidence & then handing out a murder charge sentence.
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 13:27:22 GMT
You better hope that a Devils player doesnāt catch somebody with an alledged unintentional head hit this weekend now the precedent has been set. Oooh now wouldnāt that be some beautiful karma ? š I would stay away from the Inferno for a few days for sure! Haha i can just see the Devils statement now.... āGleason Fournier is not a dirty player,we would expect him to do his job,we are sorry the opposing player got injured but we feel it was not intentional on Gleasons partā. š¤£š¤£ Lol
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 14:11:58 GMT
On what grounds did Mardiff review the Marsh cheapshot on Brad Moran?
Presume it was citing a similar ban length being shorter?
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Post by claretgiant on Jan 30, 2019 18:37:54 GMT
You tend not to get a concussion from a shoulder hitting your chest.... Not sure about back of head on the ice whilst wearing a lid though. From the clip you can see he was out cold before hitting the ice. How can you see he is out cold in the video??? .....Catch a grip, he was out cold due to the ferocity his head hit the ice...Simple
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 30, 2019 18:54:24 GMT
It doesn't matter if he was out cold before he hit the ice or not in terms of the legality of the hit. There isn't a question as to if he was hurt on the play. Either by the whiplash from the hit or even Rissling making contact to the head could easily cause him to be out cold before he hit the ice. You wont see me arguing against if there was any contact to his head. It looks like there was. The point is it wasn't the Principal Point of contact. That was to the shoulder or chest. Therefor the hit should have been ruled legal. The injury is unfortunate. His head could have come off his shoulders, it still was a clean hit.
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 19:01:50 GMT
From the clip you can see he was out cold before hitting the ice. How can you see he is out cold in the video??? .....Catch a grip, he was out cold due to the ferocity his head hit the ice...Simple Haha nice one. You would have to ask the Devils fans that one. Careful though theyāve got all sorts of camera angles and stuff nobody else has seen ! š¤£
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 19:11:15 GMT
How can you see he is out cold in the video??? .....Catch a grip, he was out cold due to the ferocity his head hit the ice...Simple Haha nice one. You would have to ask the Devils fans that one. Careful though theyāve got all sorts of camera angles and stuff nobody else has seen ! š¤£ And they are all locked away in Kelmans office!
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Post by cjones on Jan 30, 2019 19:43:48 GMT
From the clip you can see he was out cold before hitting the ice. How can you see he is out cold in the video??? .....Catch a grip, he was out cold due to the ferocity his head hit the ice...Simple By following the video footage, quite simple really. Have a go.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 19:46:46 GMT
I'm starting to think Mardiff have sent footage of a different incident in to DOPS... Has someone checked the released video that it was actually the game from Saturday?! It's not in black & white is it?
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Post by pingchowchi on Jan 30, 2019 20:06:02 GMT
There is picture doing the rounds on twitter which shows the moment mosey's face and risslings shoulder come into contact. In this picture mosey's helmet is already almost completely off his head. This makes me think that the first contact wasn't shoulder to head, but maybe shoulder to chest which dislodges mosey's helmet, then it is shoulder to face and that's why mosey has a black eye as by the time his face get hits his helmet is already dislodged from the initial impact.
I think this tallys with what the ex cardiff player said happened as well.
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 20:38:47 GMT
There is picture doing the rounds on twitter which shows the moment mosey's face and risslings shoulder come into contact. In this picture mosey's helmet is already almost completely off his head. This makes me think that the first contact wasn't shoulder to head, but maybe shoulder to chest which dislodges mosey's helmet, then it is shoulder to face and that's why mosey has a black eye as by the time his face get hits his helmet is already dislodged from the initial impact. I think this tallys with what the ex cardiff player said happened as well. It tallies perfectly with what Iāve been telling the Mardiff fans for three days too ! š I see Finnerty has waded in too now,heās emailed with no reply and so now twittered DOPS asking the difference between his player previously getting banned and Ulmerās ban. Bucket collection to pay his fine is coming haha. š
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Post by roenick27 on Jan 30, 2019 20:58:37 GMT
Ask your club to release the behind-the-net footage that clearly shows the first point of contact being the face. It was briefly doing the rounds on Twitter but magically vanished late Saturday night.
The frame-by-frame shot of the TV angle shows Mosey's helmet lifting with Rissling's shoulder pushing the visor up.
As for the press release; it looks like a Steelers publication.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 30, 2019 20:59:49 GMT
It tallies perfectly with what Iāve been telling the Mardiff fans for three days too ! Surely you're not advocating using a still image to prove anything?
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 21:06:45 GMT
Ask your club to release the behind-the-net footage that clearly shows the first point of contact being the face. It was briefly doing the rounds on Twitter but magically vanished late Saturday night. The frame-by-frame shot of the TV angle shows Mosey's helmet lifting with Rissling's shoulder pushing the visor up. As for the press release; it looks like a Steelers publication. Yes and the very first frame will show Risslings shoulder hitting Moseyās chest. After that it doesnāt matter what frame two,three,four and five shows.
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