iginla
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Post by iginla on Feb 22, 2019 0:42:22 GMT
Sorry chaps, was a bit busy. Yep, Benti deserved his ban. If I remember rightly he did roughly the same thing to Stewart last year, who is still out of the game due to concussion. If you’re asking me to tell you why Rissling received a long ban, I’d go with the following (but obviously I’m not a part of DOPS, so I have no new knowledge beyond their statement): 1. Rissling’s first point of contact was the head, whereas Bentivoglio is deemed to have made contact with chest and head. 2. Despite the timing it was considered ‘category 2 - reckless’ where as Bentivoglio’s was considered ‘category 1 - careless’. So they are saying there is a clear difference between the two plays. Looking at slo-mos it would appear that the blindside hit to the head before chest is the reason for the finding on the Rissling hit, as compared to the blind side hit to the chest and head at the same time is the reason for the finding on the Benti hit. Mmmm I’d say it was completely the opposite. Bentivoglio’s was a clear hit to the head,Risslings if deemed to the head then that could not possibly be anything other than a guess. And also if as you say yourself Bentivoglio has previous form for head hits,just as they jumped on and made a big thing with Rissling,that makes it even more unfathomable why Bentivoglio only got two games.
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BigLad
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Post by BigLad on Feb 22, 2019 11:50:03 GMT
Except the Rissling "hit" wasn't a hit - Mosey skated into him.
Hey ho.
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Post by bobness on Feb 22, 2019 13:06:21 GMT
Except the Rissling "hit" wasn't a hit - Mosey skated into him. Hey ho. You seriously believe that? I'll have a pint of what you're drinking.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 22, 2019 13:31:33 GMT
BigLad doesn't drink beer, the beer pours itself into his mouth.
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Jord v4
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 22, 2019 15:58:09 GMT
Sorry chaps, was a bit busy. Yep, Benti deserved his ban. If I remember rightly he did roughly the same thing to Stewart last year, who is still out of the game due to concussion. If you’re asking me to tell you why Rissling received a long ban, I’d go with the following (but obviously I’m not a part of DOPS, so I have no new knowledge beyond their statement): 1. Rissling’s first point of contact was the head, whereas Bentivoglio is deemed to have made contact with chest and head. 2. Despite the timing it was considered ‘category 2 - reckless’ where as Bentivoglio’s was considered ‘category 1 - careless’. So they are saying there is a clear difference between the two plays. Looking at slo-mos it would appear that the blindside hit to the head before chest is the reason for the finding on the Rissling hit, as compared to the blind side hit to the chest and head at the same time is the reason for the finding on the Benti hit. Yet you say you aren't a part of DOPS after a post like this...??
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Post by bobness on Feb 22, 2019 17:18:16 GMT
It's easily explained by 1. Rissling is a repeat offender for checks to the head this season. Bentivoglio isn't. His match penalty for the Stewart hit last year was rescinded. eliteleague.co.uk/2018/01/19/dops-no-further-action-following-three-incidents/2. Rissling's was classed as "reckless", Bentidoodah's was "careless". 6 vs 2 sounds about right in that case. Anyway, it's done now, hardly spoilt anyone's season, has it?
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Post by iginla on Feb 22, 2019 18:17:57 GMT
Can we define the difference between a hit that’s reckless and one that’s careless ? Looked to me like they both meant to hit so what’s the difference,anybody would think they’re trying to say Bentivoglio didn’t mean to hit him. 🙄
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Post by bobness on Feb 22, 2019 18:28:22 GMT
Can we define the difference between a hit that’s reckless and one that’s careless ? Looked to me like they both meant to hit so what’s the difference,anybody would think they’re trying to say Bentivoglio didn’t mean to hit him. 🙄 You'll be needing to ask DOPS that one. The IIHF rulebook defines reckless as follows RECKLESS – Any action that endangers an opponent. The word""careless" does not appear on any of the 168 pages. I suspect that it's most to do with the presence of otherwise of malice aforethought. Careless is nearly having someone's eye out with a screwdriver by accident. Reckless is trying to put someone's eye out with a screwdriver. Quite how you decide on stuff like that is beyond my pay grade.
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Post by wgray on Feb 22, 2019 19:12:07 GMT
Can we define the difference between a hit that’s reckless and one that’s careless ? Looked to me like they both meant to hit so what’s the difference,anybody would think they’re trying to say Bentivoglio didn’t mean to hit him. 🙄 You'll be needing to ask DOPS that one. The IIHF rulebook defines reckless as follows RECKLESS – Any action that endangers an opponent. The word""careless" does not appear on any of the 168 pages. I suspect that it's most to do with the presence of otherwise of malice aforethought. Careless is nearly having someone's eye out with a screwdriver by accident. Reckless is trying to put someone's eye out with a screwdriver. Quite how you decide on stuff like that is beyond my pay grade. It falls down to an individuals perception and whenever you have that there will always be questions asked. As you say, I think it’s time we moved on now.
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Feb 22, 2019 19:51:11 GMT
Can we define the difference between a hit that’s reckless and one that’s careless ? Looked to me like they both meant to hit so what’s the difference,anybody would think they’re trying to say Bentivoglio didn’t mean to hit him. 🙄 You'll be needing to ask DOPS that one. The IIHF rulebook defines reckless as follows RECKLESS – Any action that endangers an opponent. The word""careless" does not appear on any of the 168 pages. I suspect that it's most to do with the presence of otherwise of malice aforethought. Careless is nearly having someone's eye out with a screwdriver by accident. Reckless is trying to put someone's eye out with a screwdriver. Quite how you decide on stuff like that is beyond my pay grade. I agree entirely. How they decide between reckless and careless I have no idea,but to me the more premeditated hit if that’s the right word and with malice was Bentivoglio. If the IIHF rulebook defines RECKLESS as endangering an opponent then Bentivoglios hit should have been classed as RECKLESS because that’s exactly what he did. He wasn’t trying to stroke him on the chin with his forearm was he ! In my opinion both decisions were wrong and a pile of crap.
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