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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 12:52:25 GMT
Spot on post Stratty. Like i said yesterday our players are sick to death of having to do so much off ice crap,it’s been like it for years. Cherno should be saying NO Gary my players need rest, not having to go to another school,rspca,MacDonalds restaurant,quiz night,butchers shop,meet the players evening,awards night,daft photo shoot, etc etc etc. They have a wall chart of events outside the dressing room and they take one look and go oh for gods sake this is ridiculous. I know they do,our players have told me many times ! Still a calendar is nice,much more important than winning eh ? Get the players to go the RSPCA one afternoon,get some mug firm to sponsor it (ie pay to print the calendar) then thank you very much we’ll sell a 1000 of those at £10 or £12 a pop and we’ll pocket all the money say Panthers. But hey ho this team never makes much profit ! Mmmmm ! 🙄 They are professional sports players mate, that by requirement means some kind of community and fan engaging activities. The RSPCA visit was an hour of their time... that’s hardly breaking the bank. Regarding visiting sponsors, there has to be some kind of player engagement to the sponsors to make it worthwhile them sponsoring the club. It seems to me you just have an issue with the club making money? That seems to be a popular theme amongst a lot of fans at the moment. What is wrong with a business pushing to make more money? We have two extra imports at the momen with the likelihood of more on the wayt, something has to house them, pay them, provide them with kit and vehicles. The issue we have is the EIHL isn’t a pushover league anymore where the big teams have a divine right to win. Even Cardiff will drop points along the way. Cardiff got their recruitment right three years ago and have retained that core of players for three seasons now and it shows. Our team is 80% new. I agree that player/fan engagement has to happen to some extent. I agree that sponsor events also have their place and I am more than happy for the team/club to do something for charity. The club can make money too, I'm not against that. Business is business but there are inconsistencies. Lets look at the pub quiz nights. They have what 20 teams and charging a tenner per team. That's approximately £200 three times a season. That event isn't raising any significant money for the club or any charity. The fans who go to these events are mostly those who will plough money into the club regardless. What benefit is this to the club that we have to do this multiple times a year. Once I think you could justify but anything more is just ridiculous. I went to one once and whilst the "draft" was being done Brian McGratten said "this is f***ing retarded". I probably wouldn't have worded it like he did but after going to the event I agree with the gist of what he was saying. The players primary task whilst they are under the employment is to win games of hockey, not mingle with fans at every opportunity. On the league winning team I probably spoke to those players less than any other team since. Ask me which team I related to best of the last 10 years. Don't our xmas shirt auction proceeds go to charity? Don't we have charity collections at games for various causes throughout the year. Don't we do a teddy bear toss? I love that we do such things, it's more than most businesses or sports teams do but are we a fundraising organisation or a sports team? I'm not saying that we abandon our community program, not at all but we need to focus it better. Keep the above, we raise thousands without the players even having to do anything. For the events that do require the players attendance make sure that there is a very real benefit to the club rather than just taking up their time for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 12:55:19 GMT
Not really I get the point quite clearly thanks. They were losing games left right and centre with a team short on quality signed by Thommo. The moaning was justified. On here there's moaning for moaning sake. I've said it once and I ll say it again but this team has the quality. THEY NEED TO WORK HARDER! attack as a team and defend as a team both ends of the ice. One incline and impression I get is Rich may be very lets say brash before before closed doors and at training and perhaps the players ain't responding. Like I say it's something that I've thought for a while which could be reasonable for the recent bad run . Unable to motivate his players? Sounds familiar. Unlike you to criticise Cherno, the worm turning? It will be a few years yet (If Rich stays that long) before I turn against him. There's nothing wrong with discipling the players.. I actually like it, but modern sportsman have difficulty taking orders in a way they just rebel, look how footballers are now. They prefer a arm around the shoulder rather than a rollicking, hockey players will be the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 12:58:10 GMT
They are professional sports players mate, that by requirement means some kind of community and fan engaging activities. The RSPCA visit was an hour of their time... that’s hardly breaking the bank. Regarding visiting sponsors, there has to be some kind of player engagement to the sponsors to make it worthwhile them sponsoring the club. It seems to me you just have an issue with the club making money? That seems to be a popular theme amongst a lot of fans at the moment. What is wrong with a business pushing to make more money? We have two extra imports at the momen with the likelihood of more on the wayt, something has to house them, pay them, provide them with kit and vehicles. The issue we have is the EIHL isn’t a pushover league anymore where the big teams have a divine right to win. Even Cardiff will drop points along the way. Cardiff got their recruitment right three years ago and have retained that core of players for three seasons now and it shows. Our team is 80% new. I agree that player/fan engagement has to happen to some extent. I agree that sponsor events also have their place and I am more than happy for the team/club to do something for charity. The club can make money too, I'm not against that. Business is business but there are inconsistencies. Lets look at the pub quiz nights. They have what 20 teams and charging a tenner per team. That's approximately £200 three times a season. That event isn't raising any significant money for the club or any charity. The fans who go to these events are mostly those who will plough money into the club regardless. What benefit is this to the club that we have to do this multiple times a year. Once I think you could justify but anything more is just ridiculous. I went to one once and whilst the "draft" was being done Brian McGratten said "this is f***ing retarded". I probably wouldn't have worded it like he did but after going to the event I agree with the gist of what he was saying. The players primary task whilst they are under the employment is to win games of hockey, not mingle with fans at every opportunity. On the league winning team I probably spoke to those players less than any other team since. Ask me which team I related to best of the last 10 years. Don't our xmas shirt auction proceeds go to charity? Don't we have charity collections at games for various causes throughout the year. Don't we do a teddy bear toss? I love that we do such things, it's more than most businesses or sports teams do but are we a fundraising organisation or a sports team? I'm not saying that we abandon our community program, not at all but we need to focus it better. Keep the above, we raise thousands without the players even having to do anything. For the events that do require the players attendance make sure that there is a very real benefit to the club rather than just taking up their time for the sake of it. I notice these fan nights on social media it's the same who go every time without fail. They are the walking wallets who put money in regardless and usually the same people who sponsor the players too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 13:00:13 GMT
Same situation with ginn when we beat the mancs 2-1. We ll see who they bring in (if they do)! Westerling has hardly improved things 😂 What we saw last night was a team fighting for everything, leaving everything they had on the ice. You could see what that win meant to them with the celebration on the bench when O'Connor won it. Yeah I saw that seriously ott!! Was that game 7 of the SCF or Wednesday night against a fellow league struggler 😂😂
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Post by tootootrain on Nov 1, 2018 13:01:42 GMT
I said directly to Mr Black at the Q+A a couple of years ago,and Black did not disagree or even seek to argue it that,there is one league table that Panthers will always be bottom of by a considerable distance. That is the hypothetical league table that would show the % of their income each team spends on players......with Panthers rock bottom of it by a long long way. Mr Black did not even try to argue or defend it in any way,he just smiled smugly and didn’t know what to say. Says it all for me. Don't forget that Black is often little more than a mouthpiece for those mysterious Bermudians.
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 1, 2018 13:05:14 GMT
Unable to motivate his players? Sounds familiar. Unlike you to criticise Cherno, the worm turning? It will be a few years yet (If Rich stays that long) before I turn against him. There's nothing wrong with discipling the players.. I actually like it, but modern sportsman have difficulty taking orders in a way they just rebel, look how footballers are now. They prefer a arm around the shoulder rather than a rollicking, hockey players will be the same. Modern sportsman being paid a fortune might have this issue in some cases, the level of players at EIHL it shouldn't be such a problem. A coach these days has to be psycologist half the time, you have to know how players tick.
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Post by bobness on Nov 1, 2018 14:54:48 GMT
I said directly to Mr Black at the Q+A a couple of years ago,and Black did not disagree or even seek to argue it that,there is one league table that Panthers will always be bottom of by a considerable distance. That is the hypothetical league table that would show the % of their income each team spends on players......with Panthers rock bottom of it by a long long way. Mr Black did not even try to argue or defend it in any way,he just smiled smugly and didn’t know what to say. Says it all for me. That's what it is though. Hypothetical. Pure guesswork. No-one outside the inner club knows what Panthers' player budgets are and what club income is, and certainly no-one here. (There's no way of telling either from the accounts filed.) Let alone any other club to put them in some made-up league table. If you have no idea about income or player costs, how on earth can you put 12 teams into a league table of one divided by the other? My guess is he thought that whatever he said, which may be commercially confidential in any case, he didn't think it was any of your business to be asking, and/or he didn't know anyway.
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Post by iginla on Nov 1, 2018 18:21:17 GMT
I said directly to Mr Black at the Q+A a couple of years ago,and Black did not disagree or even seek to argue it that,there is one league table that Panthers will always be bottom of by a considerable distance. That is the hypothetical league table that would show the % of their income each team spends on players......with Panthers rock bottom of it by a long long way. Mr Black did not even try to argue or defend it in any way,he just smiled smugly and didn’t know what to say. Says it all for me. That's what it is though. Hypothetical. Pure guesswork. No-one outside the inner club knows what Panthers' player budgets are and what club income is, and certainly no-one here. (There's no way of telling either from the accounts filed.) Let alone any other club to put them in some made-up league table. If you have no idea about income or player costs, how on earth can you put 12 teams into a league table of one divided by the other? My guess is he thought that whatever he said, which may be commercially confidential in any case, he didn't think it was any of your business to be asking, and/or he didn't know anyway. It is guesswork yes,but it’s not that hard to do some maths and come up with reasonably accurate answers to what Panthers turnover and spend. i’d love to see somebody come up with an alternative theory against what I’ve said and suggest which other EIHL club would be below Panthers in that hypothetical league table. There were a couple of hundred other people in that room when i asked Mr Black,if I’d have been him i would have at least made a counter argument if what i had said was inaccurate.
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Post by wgray on Nov 1, 2018 19:01:54 GMT
I have to agree with Iggy, the squad Cardiff built this season for example has far greater quality and depth, which we are witnessing on the ice.
We’ve had the highest average attendances in the league for a good period but we can’t compete with them. People say the club takes no interest in the cage and at times people can go OTT on here but there are some valid points being discussed which fans off here should be discussing.
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Post by cjones on Nov 2, 2018 13:32:35 GMT
Personally I’m a bowns fan. Garnett was poor for you last year, and this season has let you down in a few games too. Being British my starting netminder would be bowns. Bowns is the dream for any EIHL team really, but take his passport out of the frame and does he still shine so bright?
Bowns was 4th last year for save percentage and that's with a championship winning defense in front of him.
That’s a valid point. However the D only became good when Strachan arrived; suddenly the D stopped thinking they were forwards 60 mins a game. Bowns used to win us games when our D wasn’t the best and was used to facing far more shots than he does now. I guess facing less shots per game in itself can be a problem for netminders. Bowns will always have the passport issue thrown at him unfortunately but I think he deserves far more credit than some give him.
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Post by bobness on Nov 11, 2018 19:33:29 GMT
Climie stops all bar one of 30 odd* shots on his debut tonight. *(26 shots in 2 periods, the game sheet doesn't show 3rd period shots yet...)
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Post by bobness on Nov 12, 2018 7:19:51 GMT
1 of 31 as it turns out. 97% save percentage not bad for a rubbish netminder...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 8:18:11 GMT
1 of 31 as it turns out. 97% save percentage not bad for a rubbish netminder... I watched the webcast and Dundee were aweful. Those 31 shots weren't quality shots more like speculative ones from the blueline. Climie let a very soft one in late on fortunate for him the play was called back after
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