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Post by wgray on Jul 14, 2018 12:11:10 GMT
Another power forward, looks like we’re going to be looking for Rheault to have a real bounce back year. I’d say the lines look something like
Import Pither Rheault Guptill Perlini Kovacs Farmer Henderson Biggs Lacho Doty Betteridge
The last forward needs to be a star. Welcome aboard Biggs!
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 14, 2018 12:14:25 GMT
I was getting really excited earlier in the summer when the defence was taking shape as it looks genuine quality but the forward lines aren't living up to that same level. I know its all only on paper and it could all turn out brilliantly and i won't judge them until i've seen them but most of the forwards just aren't getting me excited at the moment
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Post by iginla on Jul 14, 2018 12:16:21 GMT
Another power forward, looks like we’re going to be looking for Rheault to have a real bounce back year. I’d say the lines look something like Import Pither Rheault Guptill Perlini Kovacs Farmer Henderson Biggs Lacho Doty Betteridge The last forward needs to be a star. Welcome aboard Biggs! Yes Rheault had better come over to play and not for a holiday, because this new team hasn’t got enough offensive star quality.
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Post by Joe on Jul 14, 2018 12:17:11 GMT
While on paper we may not have as many goals as other teams, we don’t know how this team will play out, we could have plenty of goals in this team and we also look way stronger defensively and may not need to rely as much on our forwards to put up crazy points if we are severely limiting our opponents
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Post by sevcik on Jul 14, 2018 12:19:35 GMT
www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/tyler_biggs/The last forward.... And D man needs to be top quality. We certainly ain't going to be bullied this year, but like others I struggle to see where the goals are coming from at this point.... The proof in the pudding will be seen when the team hits the ice. Nottingham v Coventry games are likely to be most spicey this season...
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Post by Joe on Jul 14, 2018 12:27:29 GMT
I don’t quite think we have enough top end point scoring in the team but I feel we have a huge amount of secondary and depth point scoring so we will have to wait and see what happens and who our last forward is
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Post by dill1015 on Jul 14, 2018 12:27:55 GMT
Meh. I dont get this signing, we already have plenty of size. We need points.
This guy has 47 goals is 6 pro seasons...
Lines sumit like:
Import-Pither-Rheault Guptil-Perlini-Kovacs Farmer-Henderson-Biggs Lacho-Doty-Betteridge
At least i seriously hope we have a top line stud to sign. My concern is that we're relying on a few guys having good seasons. Guptil, Kovacs and Rheault all fall under the category of 'could be great, could be a dissapointment'. I think its ok to take a chance on 1 or 2 players (Phillip/Mok from last season) but 3 of your top 6 is risky for me.
If we dont have a top line guy to sign im very worried about firepower, we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 14, 2018 12:31:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 12:34:31 GMT
I don’t quite think we have enough top end point scoring in the team but I feel we have a huge amount of secondary and depth point scoring so we will have to wait and see what happens and who our last forward is Pretty much my views as well. I too think we look a little short of goals on paper but let’s see how that all transpires on the ice before writing them off.
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 14, 2018 12:39:13 GMT
I guess this links to the point I was making when we signed Guptill. Okay most people didnt agree with me at that point. Which is fine, that's what forums are for. Whilst I may be underestimating Guptill the point I made then is the one that now stands out even more. We appear to lack real quality in scoring and creativity in our top 6. You have to use Cardiff as a point of reference and as it stands I just dont think we stack up. We really needed a sprinkling of star dust to finish this team off and at present it is lacking. I don't think any player stands out as terrible in their own right, just the way in which the team is built. Here's hoping they can gel together as a unit under a great coach and deliver the goods. A new coach with new ideas so it may just work.
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Post by dill1015 on Jul 14, 2018 12:59:32 GMT
I don’t quite think we have enough top end point scoring in the team but I feel we have a huge amount of secondary and depth point scoring so we will have to wait and see what happens and who our last forward is Pretty much my views as well. I too think we look a little short on goals on paper but let’s see how that all transpires on the ice before writing them off. There is always a level of variance from predicted stats. Im going to try and do some for the top 4 team. By my reckoning you can nearly always judge a teams goals with a variance of about 15% up or down. So for example if when all players are signed i put cardiff on 200 goals and ourselves on 175 goals. The realistic ranges are: Cardiff 170 - 230 Panthers 149 - 201 In this case we're relying on Cardiff having a poor year and ourselves to have a good one if we want to out score them. Which is unlikely with them so having so many re-signing. We'll have to how the numbers come out when everyone signed. But id have liked to have us abit ahead on paper since we have virtually a whole new set of forwards. My gut feeling is we're behind abit atm.
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Post by hasdrubaal on Jul 14, 2018 13:06:28 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Rich a very defensive coach? I swear when he signed people said that he concentrated heavily on defense.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 14, 2018 13:09:09 GMT
Just points out the often randomness of the NHL draft. Biggs was a very questionable first round selection by the Leafs at the time who sure enough turned in to a serious bust.
Maybe we will 'power forward' our way to all the trophies we've all predicted,.
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Post by Caesar on Jul 14, 2018 13:22:31 GMT
Offence wins games Defence wins championships Weve had Sexy Neilson Hockey, lets try a different way
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Post by sevcik on Jul 14, 2018 13:36:49 GMT
In most of the past 5 seasons or so Rich Chernomaz was mainly a 'Sport Manager' in other other words the equivalent of a Director of football or director of hockey... In other words he signed the players but didn't for the main part coach them on a day to day basis. Maybe now he is signing the type of team he actually wants that suits his coaching style rather than someone else's.
It would seem he is assembling a big gritty defensive team who will stick up for each other and work hard as one at both ends of the ice... A blue collar team as it were. For me as others we seem lite on goals. By the looks of it we will need several players to have career years which they might but is far from guaranteed... And Garnett needs to be consistent and on form all year and not just for a portion of it.
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Post by PantherB on Jul 14, 2018 13:37:24 GMT
Ive read a few articles over the last half hour on him and I've read nothing good. The word "bust" has been used repeatedly. That's what happens when a former 1st Rounder becomes and EIHL player before he's 30. It's not to say he's a bad player, just didn't develop the way scouts believed he would therefor making him a bust and the 1st Round Pick they used, a waste. It happens a fair amount. Zack Philips, Logan MacMillan and many more throughout the league, all considered busts by North Americans. I don't think Biggs will tear the league apart, I don't think he'll be in the top 5 points wise for us, but I don't think he'll be bad, I'd say he'll fit between average and good. We have plenty of power forwards, probably too many, but we should be expecting a team which works even harder than that of last seasons (when they played well). They're hopefully going to be a ruthless bunch and I hope even more that our last forward signing is a very high calibre goal scoring forward. Biggs is a good player, but the signing is disappointing, not because of him, but because he's essentially a mirror of 4+ of our other forwards on paper.
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Post by sevcik on Jul 14, 2018 13:44:42 GMT
Offence wins games Defence wins championships Weve had Sexy Neilson Hockey, lets try a different way Barring the CHL,for the past 2 seasons it's been barely hockey nevermind Sexy Neilson hockey. At very least I'm hoping for set lines this year... It's not too much to ask is it? 😁😁
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Post by pingchowchi on Jul 14, 2018 13:46:22 GMT
It sounds like our coach thinks this league is purely a "physical first" type of league to me.
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Post by shinobi on Jul 14, 2018 15:14:58 GMT
Just points out the often randomness of the NHL draft. Biggs was a very questionable first round selection by the Leafs at the time who sure enough turned in to a serious bust. To quote Brian Burke, Biggs was supposed to encapsulate “truculence” but it was a horrendous waste of a first rounder.
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Post by marshalfish on Jul 14, 2018 15:20:07 GMT
This all begs the question of how our refs will react to a big, physical team. Not well in previous years
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Post by wgray on Jul 14, 2018 15:20:27 GMT
Just points out the often randomness of the NHL draft. Biggs was a very questionable first round selection by the Leafs at the time who sure enough turned in to a serious bust. To quote Brian Burke, Biggs was supposed to encapsulate “truculence” but it was a horrendous waste of a first rounder. With the team built so far maybe Rich can bring it out of him, I’ve got a feeling we’re going to be a very physical and aggressive group.
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Post by shinobi on Jul 14, 2018 15:26:53 GMT
To quote Brian Burke, Biggs was supposed to encapsulate “truculence” but it was a horrendous waste of a first rounder. With the team built so far maybe Rich can bring it out of him, I’ve got a feeling we’re going to be a very physical and aggressive group. I’m quite intrigued regarding this signing given his association with Toronto. I hope he’s a success.
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Post by iginla on Jul 14, 2018 15:48:32 GMT
It sounds like our coach thinks this league is purely a "physical first" type of league to me. That’s exactly what I thought too. Big ice and plenty of fussy and iffy refereeing might not be a good fit for this years team ! Hope all these”big guys” can skate well too. 🤔
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 14, 2018 16:18:13 GMT
There's nothing wrong with being physical as long as its clean. Janssen, Gagnon, Brown didn't spend too much time in the box. Most of their minutes came from fights. Its not like we've signed a team of Rosehills
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Post by deke on Jul 14, 2018 16:48:13 GMT
Mentioned being good on the penalty kill which could help. Looks like an aggressive rough team. A lot of grit and grinders, maybe that's how we will play, force their d into errors and capitalise on it while staying tight at the back. Agree though we do need a top quality last offence man
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