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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 19:09:48 GMT
I feel for the Caps fans, I really do but honestly good riddance to that organisation. They have stayed still while the majority of the league have stepped forward and have seemed quite content to be an embarrassment season after season. I would have been surprised if this new set up hadn’t approached the Caps to say ‘let’s make this work’ but I expect Scott Neil as always would have shut the door on that proposal.
So much potential up there but no ambition or willingness to change. Frankly the league should have kicked them a couple of years ago.
The league is better with a 12 team system but I hope they have a look at all options available and grant a place to whichever organisation will be most competitive. If it turns out nobody else it currently equipped to be an EIHL club then so be it, we’ll make it work with 11.
We can’t have an Edinburgh Capitals again, sure teams will have bad seasons and somebody has to finish last but it devalues our league to have a team capitulate to a handful of players by xmas every year
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Apr 16, 2018 19:29:11 GMT
Seems a ridiculous decision to me, the Edinburgh capitals have so much more potential than the murrayfield racers. They just needed the investment , just like the racers will. I mean what north American or European player would know where murrayfield is? Where was Edinburgh? It's worldwide known. So much more marketable. Personally hope the eihl reject the murrayfield racers purely for the way they have gone about their business. Take a 11 team league for a season and look at hull Basingstoke or Swindon making the step up Isn’t Basingstoke in trouble already? And if someone wants to invest in the Capitals then I have a bridge for sale somewhere. The hands etc could have put the money they're going to invest in this murrayfield racers team into the Edinburgh capitals. All's they need is proper advertisement and marketing. They're in a massive city, full of north American and European tourists. Students. They've got massive potential. They could and would be a one of the big teams in this league with the right owners. In my view they've gone the wrong way about it and torn up their fanbase. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 16, 2018 19:42:13 GMT
Isn’t Basingstoke in trouble already? And if someone wants to invest in the Capitals then I have a bridge for sale somewhere. The hands etc could have put the money they're going to invest in this murrayfield racers team into the Edinburgh capitals. All's they need is proper advertisement and marketing. They're in a massive city, full of north American and European tourists. Students. They've got massive potential. They could and would be a one of the big teams in this league with the right owners. In my view they've gone the wrong way about it and torn up their fanbase. The current fan base could have an AGM in a phone box. Relaunch and start again fresh. |
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Post by deke on Apr 16, 2018 19:57:20 GMT
Seems a lot of Scottish teams fans aren't happy. Though to be fair that's probably partly due to them potentially dropping points if the racers are a competitive team.
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Post by Discoray on Apr 16, 2018 20:10:05 GMT
Seems a lot of Scottish teams fans aren't happy. Though to be fair that's probably partly due to them potentially dropping points if the racers are a competitive team. To be fair, you'd be completely wrong. The main concern is that Edinburgh have merely swapped one joker of an ownership group for another, given Tony Hand's involvement with the Manchester Phoenix & their downfall. Still a lot to happen though, as the EIHL could turn down this approach from the Racers, in which case the Hands said they'd walkaway and that would hand the ice time back to the Capitals by default. |
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Post by PantherG on Apr 16, 2018 23:00:54 GMT
Seems a lot of Scottish teams fans aren't happy. Though to be fair that's probably partly due to them potentially dropping points if the racers are a competitive team. To be fair, you'd be completely wrong. The main concern is that Edinburgh have merely swapped one joker of an ownership group for another, given Tony Hand's involvement with the Manchester Phoenix & their downfall. Still a lot to happen though, as the EIHL could turn down this approach from the Racers, in which case the Hands said they'd walkaway and that would hand the ice time back to the Capitals by default. If they said that, then I’m sure that’s what would happen... the EIHL would prefer the current owners in charge, that I’m sure of.... |
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Post by PantherG on Apr 16, 2018 23:08:40 GMT
Isn’t Basingstoke in trouble already? And if someone wants to invest in the Capitals then I have a bridge for sale somewhere. The hands etc could have put the money they're going to invest in this murrayfield racers team into the Edinburgh capitals. All's they need is proper advertisement and marketing. They're in a massive city, full of north American and European tourists. Students. They've got massive potential. They could and would be a one of the big teams in this league with the right owners. In my view they've gone the wrong way about it and torn up their fanbase. When the Murrayfield Racers were sponsored by Smirnoff, many years ago, winning the majority of games, they had advertising everywhere... almost all the buses had huge advertising on the side of them, billboards advertising the team, there adverts were all over... However, despite this and a winning team they could barely muster 1000 fans, the only time they had decent crowds was when they would sell out against Fife and 3800 would be packed in... back then that was one hell of a riverly, much better than the Steelers v Panthers one we have today. Anyway, Edinburgh is just nota Hockey city, a bit like Newcastle.... Rugby and Football reign supreme there, so I’m not sure they’ll ever draw decent crowds, the outdated seats at the rink probably don’t help either. |
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Post by iginla on Apr 16, 2018 23:22:52 GMT
They’ve got to at least speculate to accumulate to start with and spend some money on a decent team.
Being honest,it’s a cold crap rink and the Caps on the ice were garbage.
So if you lived in Edinburgh and went for your first game,sat there freezing cold for 3 hours and saw your team get walloped 10-1 would you go back ?
There’s probably not a lot they can do about the rink,so all they can do is market it well,try put a good team on the ice,get some wins and hope the punters enjoy it enough to see past the awful rink etc and come back again.
But without a decent team,they’re knackered whoever runs the team.
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Post by BigLad on Apr 17, 2018 12:42:59 GMT
Bear minimum they HAVE to replace the seating. |
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Post by Yotes on Apr 17, 2018 14:36:11 GMT
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 30, 2018 11:37:39 GMT
Being suggested by Caps Banter Army (who does actually appear to be ITK during this debacle) the league are going to announce no team in Edinburgh.
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 30, 2018 11:42:18 GMT
Being suggested by Caps Banter Army (who does actually appear to be ITK during this debacle) the league are going to announce no team in Edinburgh. Hull rushed back up? New team? Conferences scrapped? |
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 30, 2018 12:29:56 GMT
Statement now out from Elite League to say Racers bid to join has been rejected.
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Post by EMB on Apr 30, 2018 12:33:25 GMT
ELITE LEAGUE STATEMENT - RACERS LEISURE LTD
April 30, 2018 1:19 PM BST
The Elite Ice Hockey League can confirm it has rejected the bid by Racers Leisure Ltd to join the league.
After careful consideration of the proposal put to the board of directors, it has been decided, following a vote taken, that they will not participate in the league going forward.
We thank them for their application and wish them well for the future.
Regarding the vacant 12th slot, we are continuing to examine all options going forward and will announce an outcome in due course.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 30, 2018 12:35:24 GMT
Good. Didn't like the way they tried to muscle in. Enjoy your ice time contract.
Sad that that seems to be the death of it in Edinburgh (for now), but they'd been the sick men of the Elite League for years.
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 30, 2018 13:05:43 GMT
Who comes instead? Hull seems foolish, they were shafted by conferences last time. Surely they couldn't send them to Scotland again. Honestly can't think of anyone else.
I personally still think there could be Elite League hockey in Edinburgh. I imagine Scott Neil will go back to the rink and say it's me or nothing in hope of getting a contract. Alternatively we are just watching the league and rink play chicken and waiting for someone to blink.
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Post by fishman on Apr 30, 2018 13:09:51 GMT
Whats going to happen with the conference system, look what happened last time the league wanted to change the system, all hell broke loose
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Post by SteelerBlade on Apr 30, 2018 13:58:02 GMT
Fife won't threaten leaving after the season they just had, Dundee are on the up with Pacha at the helm.
Is now the time to switch to the straight league set up?
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Post by Yotes on Apr 30, 2018 14:17:12 GMT
I'd imagine they'll be quite keen to keep the current structure, it worked pretty well last season and they're all selling season tickets that fit into it (well, Panthers definitely are).
Maybe the rink will go back to the Caps now, given they currently have a league-less tenant. That's if the rink is all that bothered about having ice hockey played there anyway.
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Post by Pies on Apr 30, 2018 14:46:45 GMT
The league have called Murrayfields bluff on this one. Something I’m quite happy about to be honest. Yes the Caps have issues but that move was underhand. Maybe this is a time for all parties to be grown up about the future of hockey in Murrayfield
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Post by EMB on Apr 30, 2018 16:09:08 GMT
I still think its (another) lifeline for the Caps. Have to say it seemed very underhand what the Racers were doing. Just shows even as Scottish hockey chairman you don't always get what you want. Am I right in thinking its our board (Smith, Kelman, Black etc) who has decided this?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 30, 2018 19:01:06 GMT
I still think its (another) lifeline for the Caps. Have to say it seemed very underhand what the Racers were doing. Just shows even as Scottish hockey chairman you don't always get what you want. Am I right in thinking its our board (Smith, Kelman, Black etc) who has decided this? Yes it is and it will be the fallout from the Phoenix crap that scuppered with any luck. |
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Post by Discoray on Apr 30, 2018 19:31:59 GMT
I still think its (another) lifeline for the Caps. Have to say it seemed very underhand what the Racers were doing. Just shows even as Scottish hockey chairman you don't always get what you want. Am I right in thinking its our board (Smith, Kelman, Black etc) who has decided this? How was it "underhand"? (I see what you did there!) The rink put the ice time out to tender, two parties bidded and the one with a decade track record of farce & failure lost it. Not really far-fetched is it? Some pretty startling quotes in this article from the Racers. Now I'm not saying they should have got any sort of automatic entry to the league. To not even getting to present their plan to the EIHL in person, or to even talk about it with any questions etc, and have it all done by e-mail is something you'd expect at Rec league level, not the "professional" EIHL. |
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 30, 2018 19:47:00 GMT
Seems Hull "have an amazing offer that we need to consider"
Seems Hull are in pole position for a return to the EIHL. Still think this'll have more twists and turns.
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Post by puckit on Apr 30, 2018 19:51:14 GMT
I still think its (another) lifeline for the Caps. Have to say it seemed very underhand what the Racers were doing. Just shows even as Scottish hockey chairman you don't always get what you want. Am I right in thinking its our board (Smith, Kelman, Black etc) who has decided this? How was it "underhand"? (I see what you did there!) The rink put the ice time out to tender, two parties bidded and the one with a decade track record of farce & failure lost it. Not really far-fetched is it? Some pretty startling quotes in this article from the Racers. Now I'm not saying they should have got any sort of automatic entry to the league. To not even getting to present their plan to the EIHL in person, or to even talk about it with any questions etc, and have it all done by e-mail is something you'd expect at Rec league level, not the "professional" EIHL. If that is the case that is very amateur and not what you’d expect from a top level league. |
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