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Post by wgray on Apr 28, 2018 21:37:15 GMT
Any stattos know if/when a team has managed back to back promotions to the top tier? It's first time ever, bbc currently have it 4th story down on bbc sport page. Was watching last 10 mins of third period & the rest standing up in me lounge, wish was in Budapest! Amazing well done GB! We’ve been saying we wish we were out there now, I can’t imagine how the travelling fans are feeling! This is a monumental moment for British Ice Hockey, in recent years I’ve watched the hampionships and seen the team progress but I’ve never really considered travelling to support. That’s completely different now. It’s sparked some real interest from me and I imagine it will be the same for a lot of other fans. Hopefully this can be used as a trigger to allow British ice hockey to progress at club level and internationally.
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Post by John Casey on Apr 28, 2018 21:47:19 GMT
What an incredible achievement. Every single member of that team who travelled deserved that. We’re a Pool A nation. We will play the biggest countries in the world ina competitive game. We will see Bobby from Beeston line up against the worlds best players. I’ve never really get any connection to Team GB until the past 3 or 4 years and now. Wow. Same here. Had little interest until the olympic qualifiers in Riga which I attended. I think perhaps Premier Sports commitment to hockey has had an impact too. I don't recall coverage for GB in the years leading up to them getting involved. Yeah this is the 1st time I've had interest in GB, never went to the International games that were at the Arena but boy, I was cheering them on like it was The Panthers. So thank you Freesports.
I'm a bit new to all this International competitions so I have a few questions:
Is The World Championships the biggest International competition and does it follow the same format as Division 1A?
Do we need to organize more International games instead of 2 after the season ends?
Are there any Dual Nationals coming up that would be useful additions to the squad?
Does this open the door to more tournaments?
Has this gotten us closer to The Olympics?
I wonder if Braehead fans have suddenly taken to Pete Russell now.
WOW just WOW. I have no idea how this result is going to impact this awesome sport in this country.
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 28, 2018 21:55:52 GMT
Just imagine Robert Lachowicz V Connor McDavid
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Post by Yotes on Apr 28, 2018 21:56:37 GMT
Is The World Championships the biggest International competition and does it follow the same format as Division 1A? The Olympics is probably the top competition, but this'll be second. No, different format, there's more teams involved. Do we need to organize more International games instead of 2 after the season ends? Wouldn't hurt, but we don't tend to use the international breaks. For example there was a test event held in Hungary in the build up to this tournament, never seen us take a break to do stuff like that though. Are there any Dual Nationals coming up that would be useful additions to the squad? Probably be a few liking the look of it now But whether there are any just putting in their time I don't know. Does this open the door to more tournaments? Has this gotten us closer to The Olympics? Should be a rankings boost, but we'd probably have to stick at the top level until the next olympics comes round to get automatic qualification, think it's top 12 get in automatically. Might mean we get to start qualifying at a later stage though, which is obviously useful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 22:11:52 GMT
Quite simply GB need to fully prepare now and leave no stone unturned. They need 3/4 training camps through the season and not just 2 friendlies in April that just won't cut it I'm afraid..act now and give yourselves time to prepare for what will come next May !!
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Post by Shaggy on Apr 28, 2018 22:16:03 GMT
Those who were over in Belfast when the Panthers won the league (sadly I wasn't) can probably imagine the atmosphere over here after the game. The assembled GB fans went absolutely nutzoid, huge amounts of noise and just didn't stop. Now the serious liquid celebrations are underway, along with a strange mixture of euphoria and "did that just happen? ". My concerns over being in with the big boys remain, but what the hell. We'll deal with that next year. And the next person who says that Robert Farmer is useless may be risking a punch in the mouth! Will post more tomorrow when or if I sober up and get more than a couple of hours sleep... don't hold your breath!
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Post by John Casey on Apr 28, 2018 22:17:09 GMT
Is The World Championships the biggest International competition and does it follow the same format as Division 1A? The Olympics is probably the top competition, but this'll be second. No, different format, there's more teams involved. Do we need to organize more International games instead of 2 after the season ends? Wouldn't hurt, but we don't tend to use the international breaks. For example there was a test event held in Hungary in the build up to this tournament, never seen us take a break to do stuff like that though. Are there any Dual Nationals coming up that would be useful additions to the squad? Probably be a few liking the look of it now But whether there are any just putting in their time I don't know. Does this open the door to more tournaments? Has this gotten us closer to The Olympics? Should be a rankings boost, but we'd probably have to stick at the top level until the next olympics comes round to get automatic qualification, think it's top 12 get in automatically. Might mean we get to start qualifying at a later stage though, which is obviously useful. Cheers
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Post by Pies on Apr 28, 2018 22:20:53 GMT
Also, Bowns was clearly the best goalie there all week - travesty that he’s been robbed of that. But I’m sure he won’t care!
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Apr 28, 2018 22:48:49 GMT
Being disillusioned with Panthers takes its toll but weeks like this one make you realise how much you love this game. I love the NHL but I have no emotional investment in it. Watching GB as a Brit gave me an enthusiasm I’d lost. It was nice to watch on the edge of your seat hockey and really give a damn. I’ll think about the worlds later but right now I’ll just have a couple of beers and try to come down enough to get some sleep. Night all.
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Post by Dan on Apr 28, 2018 23:02:48 GMT
Practically speaking we’ll be playing McDavid, Draisaitl, Karlsson, Lane, Ekman-Larsson and the like and it won’t be pretty but my god it’ll be fun.
This has been worth every second of hangover and recovery and travel and drum beats.
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Post by spik on Apr 28, 2018 23:15:18 GMT
I believe we did the double jump from third tier to top level when we last moved up from a great 1992 and 1993 tournament pre the 1994 nose blled of a time versus Russia, Canada etc.... So the write up in the IIHF news of the game suggests anyway. Then again they said Hungary just got promotion with Italy later on in a line of writing but we'll let them off that one.
The whole 'play dual imports / play Brits only' debate will arise again now. We may strengthen (other teams do) but shouldn't we not play those that gained the promotion? or is it 'thanks but you can go now' here's the door. Should we not honour such loyal players who've spent their time in creating this promotion?
ONLY assuming here....but ranking points used to be given each year dependant on your placing. Then the next year as you got the most recent years ranking points, you kept 3 quarters of the last, then the next year it followed as a half , then it reduced to a quarter total. Then it would drop away as the latest moved in for etc.So your last 4 years of 100/75/50/25 percent.
So one year it would be 100 percent of 800 points say. Then the next year only 600 etc till after 4 years usage.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 23:29:01 GMT
What we have achieved today won’t sink in fully until the first puck drops against the likes of Canada, Sweden and Russia.
I won’t lie, I thought it was a disgrace that we ever dropped down to 1B and and even bigger disgrace it took so long to get back to 1A. This time 2 and 3 years ago I was calling this team bottlers because they threw away positions to get promoted. Well they have well and truly proven me wrong tonight.
1A is the very lowest level we should be competing at but for us to win 4 out of 5 games at this level is astonishing. The fight and determination shown was inspiring. Other teams were technically better than us, tonight until the final 10 minutes we didn’t really trouble Hungary. The fight shown until the end was just amazing and once we got the 1 goal I thought we’d do it. It just seemed fate was on our side.
These set of players deserve one hell of a big drink for what they have achieved tonight. Next year in the EIHL I expect to see the Brits all raise their game desperate to get on that plane to Slovakia.
I hope all parties involved with British Ice Hockey(invite UK Sport to the table too) sit down in the next few weeks and plan on how we are going to use and prepare for this huge opportunity this sport now has in this country.
I fully expect that we will come straight back down next year but if we show the fight and commitment that we have shown this week and the powers that be support them in their preparation then we are more than capable of giving somebody a scare next year if not worse.
Enjoy the moment players, coaches and fans(especially those in Budapest). That was a British performance to be proud of. See you in Bratislava.
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Post by nottssogood on Apr 29, 2018 5:49:27 GMT
Practically speaking we’ll be playing McDavid, Draisaitl, Karlsson, Lane, Ekman-Larsson and the like and it won’t be pretty but my god it’ll be fun. This has been worth every second of hangover and recovery and travel and drum beats. Being an Oilers fan it’s a double edged sword, whilst wanting to see McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse, Klefbom and all, I would much prefer them to still be going for Mr Stanley!! But hey, never thought I would have this dilemma!!
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Post by cooperphil156 on Apr 29, 2018 6:43:20 GMT
My concerns over being in with the big boys remain, but what the hell. We'll deal with that next year. Reply below
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Post by cooperphil156 on Apr 29, 2018 6:47:04 GMT
It should raise the profile in Britain and attract more to watch, perhaps to play and investment. Also through the European success as well, imports are now very aware of British hockey. If it were also to make more playing venues be considered another plus. Yes we will get a hiding no doubt and preparation will be difficult in a crowded season, but our players can do little more than learn from playing at a new level. What a stimulus for young Brits to make the team.
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Post by Pies on Apr 29, 2018 7:08:41 GMT
I think the point about attracting higher am quality players is a good one. Especially for the bigger teams. You can sell it on 99% if our home grown players still play in this league and we’re a pool a nation.
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Post by doug on Apr 29, 2018 8:23:10 GMT
Those who were over in Belfast when the Panthers won the league (sadly I wasn't) can probably imagine the atmosphere over here after the game. The assembled GB fans went absolutely nutzoid, huge amounts of noise and just didn't stop. Now the serious liquid celebrations are underway, along with a strange mixture of euphoria and "did that just happen? ". My concerns over being in with the big boys remain, but what the hell. We'll deal with that next year. And the next person who says that Robert Farmer is useless may be risking a punch in the mouth! Will post more tomorrow when or if I sober up and get more than a couple of hours sleep... don't hold your breath! Who says Farmer is useless? I was gutted when he left Steelers for a team whose fans, at that time, thought he was useless, but I believe he soon converted them and most fans of any team will admire him now. Can we have him back?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 8:29:52 GMT
Those who were over in Belfast when the Panthers won the league (sadly I wasn't) can probably imagine the atmosphere over here after the game. The assembled GB fans went absolutely nutzoid, huge amounts of noise and just didn't stop. Now the serious liquid celebrations are underway, along with a strange mixture of euphoria and "did that just happen? ". My concerns over being in with the big boys remain, but what the hell. We'll deal with that next year. And the next person who says that Robert Farmer is useless may be risking a punch in the mouth! Will post more tomorrow when or if I sober up and get more than a couple of hours sleep... don't hold your breath! Who says Farmer is useless? I was gutted when he left Steelers for a team whose fans, at that time, thought he was useless, but I believe he soon converted them and most fans of any team will admire him now. Can we have him back? NO
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Post by yeti on Apr 29, 2018 9:58:39 GMT
If I remember correctly last time GB were in the top pool (pool A) there were only eight teams in it including the big six now there are twice as many teams. So Gb have to concentrate on getting wins against the other weaker teams eg Italy, Norway ect. There is no reason why we can't compete against these teams if we have the right preparation.
Also we should stick with the setup that has got us there and not fill the team with dual nationals. The team spirit amongst the true Brits cannot be replaced by adding dual nationals. It is that team spirit that has got the GB team to where it is. You can't buy the togetherness and hard work that this GB team has. It is also debatable which dual nationals there are who would improve the skills set of the current GB team. There use to be a concensus that GB would never get to the top level in international hockey without filling the team with dual nationals. This has now clearly been proved wrong.
The Panthers and Cardiff Brits playing in the CHL showed how good they are and the GB team shows that the top Brits in our league are very good players and that are league is a lot better than a lot of us probably realise.
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Post by doug on Apr 29, 2018 10:11:09 GMT
If I remember correctly last time GB were in the top pool (pool A) there were only eight teams in it including the big six now there are twice as many teams. So Gb have to concentrate on getting wins against the other weaker teams eg Italy, Norway ect. There is no reason why we can't compete against these teams if we have the right preparation. Also we should stick with the setup that has got us there and not fill the team with dual nationals. The team spirit amongst the true Brits cannot be replaced by adding dual nationals. It is that team spirit that has got the GB team to where it is. You can't buy the togetherness and hard work that this GB team has. It is also debatable which dual nationals there are who would improve the skills set of the current GB team. There use to be a concensus that GB would never get to the top level in international hockey without filling the team with dual nationals. This has now clearly been proved wrong. The Panthers and Cardiff Brits playing in the CHL showed how good they are and the GB team shows that the top Brits in our league are very good players and that are league is a lot better than a lot of us probably realise. I absolutely agree 100%. This is also why I want, controversially, the import limit in the EIHL to be no higher than ten.
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Post by spik on Apr 29, 2018 10:11:11 GMT
What we have achieved today won’t sink in fully until the first puck drops against the likes of Canada, Sweden and Russia. I won’t lie, I thought it was a disgrace that we ever dropped down to 1B and and even bigger disgrace it took so long to get back to 1A. This time 2 and 3 years ago I was calling this team bottlers because they threw away positions to get promoted. Well they have well and truly proven me wrong tonight. 1A is the very lowest level we should be competing at but for us to win 4 out of 5 games at this level is astonishing. The fight and determination shown was inspiring. Other teams were technically better than us, tonight until the final 10 minutes we didn’t really trouble Hungary. The fight shown until the end was just amazing and once we got the 1 goal I thought we’d do it. It just seemed fate was on our side. These set of players deserve one hell of a big drink for what they have achieved tonight. Next year in the EIHL I expect to see the Brits all raise their game desperate to get on that plane to Slovakia. I hope all parties involved with British Ice Hockey(invite UK Sport to the table too) sit down in the next few weeks and plan on how we are going to use and prepare for this huge opportunity this sport now has in this country. I fully expect that we will come straight back down next year but if we show the fight and commitment that we have shown this week and the powers that be support them in their preparation then we are more than capable of giving somebody a scare next year if not worse. Enjoy the moment players, coaches and fans(especially those in Budapest). That was a British performance to be proud of. See you in Bratislava. This...but with regard to coming straight back down I think we need to concentrate on the final games against the other lower teams...ie) those we have beaten or lost to this time round. In the end....we make the all-star team too and look at Perlini MVP. wmia2018.iihf.hockey/en/news/perlini-mvp/
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Post by Pies on Apr 29, 2018 10:18:30 GMT
If I remember correctly last time GB were in the top pool (pool A) there were only eight teams in it including the big six now there are twice as many teams. So Gb have to concentrate on getting wins against the other weaker teams eg Italy, Norway ect. There is no reason why we can't compete against these teams if we have the right preparation. Also we should stick with the setup that has got us there and not fill the team with dual nationals. The team spirit amongst the true Brits cannot be replaced by adding dual nationals. It is that team spirit that has got the GB team to where it is. You can't buy the togetherness and hard work that this GB team has. It is also debatable which dual nationals there are who would improve the skills set of the current GB team. There use to be a concensus that GB would never get to the top level in international hockey without filling the team with dual nationals. This has now clearly been proved wrong. The Panthers and Cardiff Brits playing in the CHL showed how good they are and the GB team shows that the top Brits in our league are very good players and that are league is a lot better than a lot of us probably realise. I absolutely agree 100%. This is also why I want, controversially, the import limit in the EIHL to be no higher than ten. You see, this is where I disagree. I think the increased import limit has driven some of the British players to have to prove themselves and raise their game. The correlation might be completely unrelated but as the standard of the EIHL has got better, so have the Brits
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Post by yeti on Apr 29, 2018 10:35:21 GMT
I kind of agree with you Doug. The number of imports playing in our league makes the level fairly high and makes the Brits that play with these imports better. In that they learn from the imports and are also playing at a higher level every week. I also like the under 23 rule as it will hopefully mean that teams continue to develop the standard of Brits needed to play in our league. I would eventually like to see the number of imports reduced to 12 but this can only happen if enough good quality Brits continue to be developed by all the league teams.
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Post by marshalfish on Apr 29, 2018 10:44:23 GMT
A bit previous I know, but are Team GB Supporters club likely to be running a trip next year?
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Post by spik on Apr 29, 2018 11:04:58 GMT
A bit previous I know, but are Team GB Supporters club likely to be running a trip next year? I'll put my house on it. Follow the GB supporters website. Been going since 1993 I believe and every season since. That included the last Pool A (now WC top tier) division. blog.gbsc.co.uk/
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