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Post by simonm on Feb 17, 2018 17:34:50 GMT
For me over the years the one defining factor when it comes to existing Canadian coaches coming to this country is their total lack of respect of Britsh players.
These coaches believe they can fix anything by simply getting another Canadian.. That in itself was detrimental to the British player development within hockey, and became a self fulfilling prophesy.
What we need is a coach that can attract the best of british to come play for us, and to bring younger player through a system that has a progression from junior to senior level. Something that a mercenary Canadian coach could very well not give a toss about. And if we genuinely want a Panthers dynasty then we as supports had better care about these things.
So for me a coach has to want this... I don't actually care what nationality he is just that he's has the gonads to do it.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 17, 2018 18:01:38 GMT
Mmmm probably. It would be a very lazy appointment by Panthers if it happened though. Why is this lazy? What makes it a lazy appointment? What would a non “lazy appointment” look like to you? Lazy as he hasn’t done anything at MK and all of a sudden every Panthers press release will quote “GB coach Russell” as if that actually meant anything. A non lazy appointment would be to sign someone younger and hungrier who would nail his balls to the wall to make a name for himself like Ben Simon.
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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2018 23:13:53 GMT
Other than Lord,who impresses me, i wouldn’t want anybody from the EIHL. It’s all too nicey nicey,cushy and jobs for the boys. I’d rather have a North American who will bring something new,somebody who will rattle some cages and get rid of the existing Panthers culture. Will never happen and nothing to do with GM. Decent coaches are too sort after. When was the last time a bench coach and decent one came over without any eihl connections? It was that Chuck Weber bloke Pidge,who won the play offs on the back of Brian Stewart,Ryan Omarra and a fairly average Coventry team.
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 17, 2018 23:25:10 GMT
Will never happen and nothing to do with GM. Decent coaches are too sort after. When was the last time a bench coach and decent one came over without any eihl connections? It was that Chuck Weber bloke Pidge,who won the play offs on the back of Brian Stewart,Ryan Omarra a fairly average Coventry team. But were totally crap in the league. How is that any different from Corey. The problem with bringing a North American whose new to the league is that they won’t have the mindset of the league being the big competition yet that is what panthers have always been missing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:44:20 GMT
The only decent coach from the outside who came here was Ben Simon .. now he's a assistant coach of grand rapids who won the Calder last year! Proves he was a one off find !
P.s Weber was garbage for the most part
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Post by Yotes on Feb 17, 2018 23:51:02 GMT
Simon was a player-coach, first coaching job. People seem to dislike the idea of a player-coach for us.
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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2018 23:58:10 GMT
The only decent coach from the outside who came here was Ben Simon .. now he's a assistant coach of grand rapids who won the Calder last year! Proves he was a one off find ! P.s Weber was garbage for the most part I didn't say i thought Weber was any good,just answered your question. What we have is a choice between this... 1. Clarkey 2. A current coach of another EIHL team 3. A coach new to the league I don't know what other people want,but my choice is No 3,purely because there's nobody I'd want in 1 and 2 (apart from Lord and we won't get him from Cardiff).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:00:23 GMT
I don't... blazer was once a player coach for us when we used to punch above our weight against the big spenders of Sheffield, Manchester and Ayr oh and back in those days we challenged for the league title too ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:03:22 GMT
The only decent coach from the outside who came here was Ben Simon .. now he's a assistant coach of grand rapids who won the Calder last year! Proves he was a one off find ! P.s Weber was garbage for the most part I didn't say i thought Weber was any good,just answered your question. What we have is a choice between this... 1. Clarkey 2. A current coach of another EIHL team 3. A coach new to the league I don't know what other people want,but my choice is No 3,purely because there's nobody I'd want in 1 and 2 (apart from Lord and we won't get him from Cardiff). I've already said you won't get a coach new to this league much better than what's already here I'm afraid. A decent bench coach worth his salt will get picked up in better leagues unless you bring in a player coach similar to Simon who wants to get coaching experience
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2018 0:59:59 GMT
I didn't say i thought Weber was any good,just answered your question. What we have is a choice between this... 1. Clarkey 2. A current coach of another EIHL team 3. A coach new to the league I don't know what other people want,but my choice is No 3,purely because there's nobody I'd want in 1 and 2 (apart from Lord and we won't get him from Cardiff). I've already said you won't get a coach new to this league much better than what's already here I'm afraid. A decent bench coach worth his salt will get picked up in better leagues unless you bring in a player coach similar to Simon who wants to get coaching experience So who or what would you go for then ? (Apart from Gerad Adams cos although we both want him i can't see it happening).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 9:03:37 GMT
I've been thinking about it and id promote Jeff Brown to player coach ... see if he fancies it
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Post by PantherB on Feb 18, 2018 11:40:19 GMT
I don't want Russell either if I'm honest but I feel he will be who we get.
Only upside to Russell is his very long tenure with Team GB. It could see us get better Brits in the future, but that's about it. There's a lot of people who know him on a personal level and dislike him too.
I'd like a brand new coach, no player-coach and preferably no coach already in the league. Brown and Clarke as player-assistants perhaps though.
To me, Russell is the easy, unambitious option. No effort put into looking at other candidates who could and likely would be a better choice.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 18, 2018 12:02:54 GMT
I don't want Russell either if I'm honest but I feel he will be who we get. Only upside to Russell is his very long tenure with Team GB. It could see us get better Brits in the future, but that's about it. There's a lot of people who know him on a personal level and dislike him too. I'd like a brand new coach, no player-coach and preferably no coach already in the league. Brown and Clarke as player-assistants perhaps though. To me, Russell is the easy, unambitious option. No effort put into looking at other candidates who could and likely would be a better choice. I hear he is going to Coventry. In fact he can go anywhere but here.
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Post by PantherB on Feb 18, 2018 12:08:57 GMT
I don't want Russell either if I'm honest but I feel he will be who we get. Only upside to Russell is his very long tenure with Team GB. It could see us get better Brits in the future, but that's about it. There's a lot of people who know him on a personal level and dislike him too. I'd like a brand new coach, no player-coach and preferably no coach already in the league. Brown and Clarke as player-assistants perhaps though. To me, Russell is the easy, unambitious option. No effort put into looking at other candidates who could and likely would be a better choice. I hear he is going to Coventry. In fact he can go anywhere but here. What a career killer of a move if so!
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Post by simonm on Feb 18, 2018 12:15:42 GMT
I didn't know that we judge a coach as a personality contest ?
Who are these people that don't like him and why should we care ?
I don't care if the players don't like him a long as they play for him. I'm not interested in them being his best buddy for life.
There's all this talk about Canadian connections, but surely the last year's have demonstrated that it's of no value if once they're here you can't coach or motivate them...
I'm not saying Russell is the perfect man for the job as I'm in no position to judge ALL candidates. Plus Mk aren't above us in the league, but it is a new team to the league and they're where I expected them to be prior to the league starting.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Feb 18, 2018 12:28:28 GMT
It will be Russell backed up by Charlie - Russell will only get a short term contract (may not even last a season) before Clarke takes over full time
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2018 13:28:32 GMT
I wonder if Brock Wilson will apply ?
Bet he does. 😀
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Post by simonm on Feb 18, 2018 13:32:53 GMT
I'd take Brock....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 13:35:03 GMT
Brock would be the nearest thing we would have had since Blazer 1st time round. Passionate, got contacts and won't take any crap
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2018 13:35:32 GMT
Somebody tweet him and ask. 🤣
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Post by simonm on Feb 18, 2018 13:36:14 GMT
Yeh gonads....
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Post by shinobi on Feb 18, 2018 14:32:31 GMT
I don't want Russell either if I'm honest but I feel he will be who we get. Only upside to Russell is his very long tenure with Team GB. It could see us get better Brits in the future, but that's about it. There's a lot of people who know him on a personal level and dislike him too. I'd like a brand new coach, no player-coach and preferably no coach already in the league. Brown and Clarke as player-assistants perhaps though. To me, Russell is the easy, unambitious option. No effort put into looking at other candidates who could and likely would be a better choice. I hear he is going to Coventry. In fact he can go anywhere but here. Poor guy. Coventry isn’t a nice place.
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Post by Mark on Feb 18, 2018 18:24:15 GMT
Even if Brock Wilson does apply for the job I doubt he”ll get it. He’s been too vociferous in his criticism of the Oligarch and his attack monkey.
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Post by EMB on Feb 18, 2018 19:13:59 GMT
I wonder if Brock Wilson will apply ? Bet he does. 😀 I think he probably would aswell but I think he’s burnt his bridges here by calling out the management a couple of months ago. Haha... just seen your post Mark, put a lot better than mine.
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2018 20:10:46 GMT
I wonder if Brock Wilson will apply ? Bet he does. 😀 I think he probably would aswell but I think he’s burnt his bridges here by calling out the management a couple of months ago. Haha... just seen your post Mark, put a lot better than mine. Your both dead right. No way Moran would allow Brock to get it......they'd be falling out at least twice every day ! 😂🙄
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