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Post by iginla on Feb 16, 2018 8:14:58 GMT
He certainly wouldn't be my No1 choice for Panthers. But i just said I'd have him over any other present EIHL coach bar Lord.......Let's be honest,who else is there in the EIHL ? Finnerty recruits some good players,look at that Manchester team he's put together on what can't be a particularly big budget. I'd have Mike Hammond and Dane Byers in a heartbeat at Panthers. Moffat is scoring for fun and Beca and Pitt ain't bad either. Finnerty says it like it is too and shows some passion,which were two of the things i found extremely irritating about Neilson because he certainly didn't ! Finnerty is bang average, wouldn’t be my 1000th choice for panthers I’m guessing in your choices Neilson would be 1004th then. That’s 4 places behind Finnerty ! 😀
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 8:33:17 GMT
I always wanted Finner as a player and wouldn't mind him as a coach . His team's always play with a edge and are entertaining. Panthers could do worse than approach him
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Post by jd on Feb 16, 2018 10:04:51 GMT
Finnerty is bang average, wouldn’t be my 1000th choice for panthers I’m guessing in your choices Neilson would be 1004th then. That’s 4 places behind Finnerty ! 😀 Guess again
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Post by jd on Feb 16, 2018 10:05:15 GMT
I always wanted Finner as a player and wouldn't mind him as a coach . His team's always play with a edge and are entertaining. Panthers could do worse than approach him Even though when at Sheffield and the Clan he didnt win anything?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 10:10:58 GMT
Finnerty? You can’t be serious? He certainly wouldn't be my No1 choice for Panthers. But i just said I'd have him over any other present EIHL coach bar Lord.......Let's be honest,who else is there in the EIHL ? Finnerty recruits some good players,look at that Manchester team he's put together on what can't be a particularly big budget. I'd have Mike Hammond and Dane Byers in a heartbeat at Panthers. Moffat is scoring for fun and Beca and Pitt ain't bad either. Finnerty says it like it is too and shows some passion,which were two of the things i found extremely irritating about Neilson because he certainly didn't ! I have to disagree there. Finnerty is whinging little so and so. Theres showing passion, then theres downright stupid tantrum throwing. Whilst I agree that sometimes you would just look to Neilson when things were going pear-shaped and he wouldn't be moving a muscle and that would frustrate me, I'd rather that than Finnerty. He's a loose cannon and employs some goons who end up dismantling his teams. Imagine where Manchester could be if Jay Rosehill was available all season? And would Clan have won the league if they didnt have Chris Frank/Fitzgerald to get them into trouble a few years back? I think so. Sorry, Finnerty would be a backwards step for me, remember Sheffield and Braehead have both sacked him... We should be looking outside the league in my eyes. Ling as coach could be fun...
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Post by iginla on Feb 16, 2018 10:52:58 GMT
I agree we should be looking far and wide outside the EIHL. Bit unfair on Finnerty though. He was at Sheffield when they were having big off ice problems and Clan as a new team with not the biggest budget did ok. They should have won it the one year though.
Decent players follow Finnerty though and he’s doing a great job in Manchester so he must have something good going for him
I’d just love to see a coach at Panthers that won’t stand for the cushy lifestyle and Moran’s antics and spin ! 😀
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 11:17:03 GMT
That's another reason why finner wouldn't put up with the nonsense at Panthers towers.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 16, 2018 11:26:37 GMT
Panthers could do worse than approach him Isn't he part of the ownership at Manchester? Either way, it'd be a no for me.
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Post by messier1851 on Feb 16, 2018 11:29:17 GMT
Given that Neilson is staying on until the end of the season, is that an indication that he's grooming Clarke to take over? Seems likely to me.
The other side of the coin is if a new coach came in until the end of the season and won the playoffs, the pressure to appoint them full time would be overwhelming, maybe this is our way of searching properly for a new coach?
It's probably the first one.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 16, 2018 14:00:07 GMT
Statistically Nielson and Finnerty are almost the same person when it comes to the league in the time they’ve coached against each other.
Neilson 354 games 454 points 1314 goals scored 1011 goals conceded
Finnerty 358 games 456 points 1291 goals scored 985 goals conceded
Assuming we both end up where we are this year.
Neilson; 3, 1, 4, 4, 5, 4, 7
Finnerty; 2, 3, 5, 2, 3, 8, 3
Clearly continuity at our club hasn’t really had the desired effect in the league. Only the cups and cash saved Corey.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 14:08:50 GMT
Statistically Nielson and Finnerty are almost the same person when it comes to the league in the time they’ve coached against each other. Neilson 354 games 454 points 1314 goals scored 1011 goals conceded Finnerty 358 games 456 points 1291 goals scored 985 goals conceded Assuming we both end up where we are this year. Neilson; 3, 1, 4, 4, 5, 4, 7 Finnerty; 2, 3, 5, 2, 3, 8, 3 Clearly continuity at our club hasn’t really had the desired effect in the league. Only the cups and cash saved Corey. Think you have to take Finnerty's league positions with a pinch of salt due to the fact that his time time at Clan was during the conference system, whilst the 3 others Scottish teams were poor. This would have had an added impact on the league standings.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 16, 2018 14:10:51 GMT
Agreed, not a fan of conferences to be honest.
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Post by iginla on Feb 16, 2018 14:25:28 GMT
Statistically Nielson and Finnerty are almost the same person when it comes to the league in the time they’ve coached against each other. Neilson 354 games 454 points 1314 goals scored 1011 goals conceded Finnerty 358 games 456 points 1291 goals scored 985 goals conceded Assuming we both end up where we are this year. Neilson; 3, 1, 4, 4, 5, 4, 7 Finnerty; 2, 3, 5, 2, 3, 8, 3 Clearly continuity at our club hasn’t really had the desired effect in the league. Only the cups and cash saved Corey. That’s incredibly close stats wise. Considering Neilson would have the bigger budget,I’d say Finnerty was the clear winner.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Feb 16, 2018 15:18:23 GMT
This may already have been said (been away for a while and not read all the posts) but if, as many have said, Clarkie is being groomed for stardom - then any new coach, (other than Clarke), will only be on a short contract, unless Clarkie is going to play for a few more years, or go elsewhere, meaning Panthers would have wasted money on training him up. (cannot see Panthers agreeing to that)
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Post by dill1015 on Feb 16, 2018 15:19:14 GMT
Statistically Nielson and Finnerty are almost the same person when it comes to the league in the time they’ve coached against each other. Neilson 354 games 454 points 1314 goals scored 1011 goals conceded Finnerty 358 games 456 points 1291 goals scored 985 goals conceded Assuming we both end up where we are this year. Neilson; 3, 1, 4, 4, 5, 4, 7 Finnerty; 2, 3, 5, 2, 3, 8, 3 Clearly continuity at our club hasn’t really had the desired effect in the league. Only the cups and cash saved Corey. That’s incredibly close stats wise. Considering Neilson would have the bigger budget,I’d say Finnerty was the clear winner. If you added the trophy count in those stats you'd see a difference.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 16, 2018 15:27:08 GMT
That’s incredibly close stats wise. Considering Neilson would have the bigger budget,I’d say Finnerty was the clear winner. If you added the trophy count in those stats you'd see a difference. You must have missed the key words “in the league” so only one trophy to count.
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Post by mattscold on Feb 16, 2018 15:30:33 GMT
The simple fact is with the money Finnerty had in Braehead coupled with the massive advantage he had from the cushy conference, he should have won silverware. He won nowt. I think I'll pass
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 15:32:17 GMT
What are the odds of Clarkie becoming Head Coach, Strachs staying as Assistant Coach, AND Corey becoming Director of Hockey. The phrase "Coach" Corey leaving. Just a thought..
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 16, 2018 15:36:13 GMT
Statistically Nielson and Finnerty are almost the same person when it comes to the league in the time they’ve coached against each other. Neilson 354 games 454 points 1314 goals scored 1011 goals conceded Finnerty 358 games 456 points 1291 goals scored 985 goals conceded Assuming we both end up where we are this year. Neilson; 3, 1, 4, 4, 5, 4, 7 Finnerty; 2, 3, 5, 2, 3, 8, 3 Clearly continuity at our club hasn’t really had the desired effect in the league. Only the cups and cash saved Corey. That’s incredibly close stats wise. Considering Neilson would have the bigger budget,I’d say Finnerty was the clear winner. Lots of variables like the conference system being in Finnertys favour but the fact he’s been at three clubs, has generally had smaller budgets, Steelers were in turmoil and one year he was player coach go some way towards mitigating the conference system They’ve each finished above the other 4 seasons in 8 but Finnerty will have done it with three clubs. Interestingly he will also have a bettter defensive record than Corey in five of the eight years if they close out this season. Clearly winning the league was the pinnacle for Neilson. At that point in his coaching career Panthers had the third highest points (only 2 behind Steelers though) tally from the big clubs (Giants, Steelers, Panthers, Devils) , were highest scorers, with third best defensive record. Since winning the title we have the worst cumulative points total (now minus 43 behind Steelers) and are the lowest scorers and have the worst defensive record. So even taking the conference system out of the equation we just haven’t been good enough.
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Post by iginla on Feb 16, 2018 16:12:47 GMT
That’s incredibly close stats wise. Considering Neilson would have the bigger budget,I’d say Finnerty was the clear winner. If you added the trophy count in those stats you'd see a difference. Black has always chosen his words carefully regarding budgets,but he did say the business model was like for like % wise,so if Panthers had say a 50% bigger crowd then Neilson had a 50% bigger budget. Considering Panthers average crowd has been around 5700 and Braeheads is what 3000,then that’s a pretty big advantage Panthers had over the Clan.
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Post by kivo1889 on Feb 16, 2018 16:26:01 GMT
I always wanted Finner as a player and wouldn't mind him as a coach . His team's always play with a edge and are entertaining. Panthers could do worse than approach him Even though when at Sheffield and the Clan he didnt win anything? In fairness, he did have his training wheels on in Sheffield, and had a restricted budget in Glasgow. He's no longer a rookie coach.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 16, 2018 17:00:15 GMT
Black has always chosen his words carefully regarding budgets,but he did say the business model was like for like % wise,so if Panthers had say a 50% bigger crowd then Neilson had a 50% bigger budget. Considering Panthers average crowd has been around 5700 and Braeheads is what 3000,then that’s a pretty big advantage Panthers had over the Clan. You never believe Blacky when he talks budget anyway I can't believe there's a Finnerty love-in on The Cage, even more so one not involving gump. What has the world come to?
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Post by jd on Feb 16, 2018 18:41:12 GMT
Statistically Nielson and Finnerty are almost the same person when it comes to the league in the time they’ve coached against each other. Neilson 354 games 454 points 1314 goals scored 1011 goals conceded Finnerty 358 games 456 points 1291 goals scored 985 goals conceded Assuming we both end up where we are this year. Neilson; 3, 1, 4, 4, 5, 4, 7 Finnerty; 2, 3, 5, 2, 3, 8, 3 Clearly continuity at our club hasn’t really had the desired effect in the league. Only the cups and cash saved Corey. That’s incredibly close stats wise. Considering Neilson would have the bigger budget,I’d say Finnerty was the clear winner. How many trophies has Finnerty won?
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Post by iginla on Feb 16, 2018 19:01:30 GMT
That’s incredibly close stats wise. Considering Neilson would have the bigger budget,I’d say Finnerty was the clear winner. How many trophies has Finnerty won? None....But put Neilson in Braehead and how many would he have won ?
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Post by jd on Feb 16, 2018 19:03:23 GMT
How many trophies has Finnerty won? None....But put Neilson in Braehead and how many would he have won ? More than Finnerty
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