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Post by texpef on Feb 14, 2018 15:53:50 GMT
Dont care as long as they can get the team winning enough to at least challenge for the league title and i think Adams can do that, didnt he come in late for steelers and they won the playoffs?
Oh and a powerplay would be very nice if i could add that to the shopping list too...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 15:56:53 GMT
Adams would be my choice too . I wanted him as soon as Steelers let him go!
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 14, 2018 16:06:26 GMT
We’d have to break more than the bank to get McSorley. According to Swiss Hockey News he signed off his part ownership of Geneva for a guaranteed role until he retires in 15 years.
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Post by EMB on Feb 14, 2018 16:53:01 GMT
You say you need an experienced coach but look what Keefe is doing and what Lord has done for Cardiff. Not even five seasons of coaching between them and arguably the two teams playing the best hockey this year. Yep but the one running away with it has a hockey minded management team running it. And an ex player as GM. Don’t matter who we get we’ll be in the same position next year.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 14, 2018 17:05:40 GMT
You say you need an experienced coach but look what Keefe is doing and what Lord has done for Cardiff. Not even five seasons of coaching between them and arguably the two teams playing the best hockey this year. Yep but the one running away with it has a hockey minded management team running it. And an ex player as GM. Don’t matter who we get we’ll be in the same position next year. Kelman greets away fans through the door and our GM treats his own fans with distain. Says it all really.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 14, 2018 17:07:56 GMT
Don’t matter who we get we’ll be in the same position next year. Although it'd be better to get rid of Black and Moran, I don't agree. The style of play has become increasingly hard work to watch in recent years, which considering the Sexy Hockey stuff (that he mentions in his message) has been a bizarre shift. You've said yourself that any flair seems to disappear after a few months at the club, I don't think that's down to GM and NB. Obviously it depends who we get in, but even if it's DC or another rookie coach, at least we'll get to see a few new ideas on the ice.
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Post by wgray on Feb 14, 2018 17:15:28 GMT
In terms of trying to attract a coach with experience in leagues that are similar to ours, a big factor is going to be the structure of the club and the team around him. Coaches in NA and the lower European leagues will not put nowhere near enough responsibility on the coach as we do.
In the majority of ice hockey leagues around the world the coach is the coach, he teaches the players that he has to play hockey how he wants. In terms of recruiting players there will likely be scouts in place who identify players, with input from the coach and the general manager due to past playing experience. It’s also down to the general manager speak to, attract and deal with the players.
In the grand scheme of things Neilson has been doing all of this. Moran will definitely have dealings with players before signing but ultimately Corey has been fulfilling all of these roles (or not as people may view), this is one to the major reasons why I don’t think we’ll attract an experienced coach from another league, as well as the fact the they have to deal with GM.
It will more than likely be someone familiar to the Panthers or the league.
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Post by moz on Feb 14, 2018 17:17:13 GMT
Mark Messier.... lets see GM tell him what to do
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 17:40:10 GMT
It's laughable to think whoever we ll get we ll be in the same position!!
Uh??
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Post by iginla on Feb 14, 2018 17:56:49 GMT
In terms of trying to attract a coach with experience in leagues that are similar to ours, a big factor is going to be the structure of the club and the team around him. Coaches in NA and the lower European leagues will not put nowhere near enough responsibility on the coach as we do. In the majority of ice hockey leagues around the world the coach is the coach, he teaches the players that he has to play hockey how he wants. In terms of recruiting players there will likely be scouts in place who identify players, with input from the coach and the general manager due to past playing experience. It’s also down to the general manager speak to, attract and deal with the players. In the grand scheme of things Neilson has been doing all of this. Moran will definitely have dealings with players before signing but ultimately Corey has been fulfilling all of these roles (or not as people may view), this is one to the major reasons why I don’t think we’ll attract an experienced coach from another league, as well as the fact the they have to deal with GM. It will more than likely be someone familiar to the Panthers or the league. Finnerty currently does everything Corey does AND also what Moran does too and his Manchester team are 4 places above Panthers on a much smaller budget ! 😆
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Post by Yotes on Feb 14, 2018 18:12:50 GMT
Finnerty currently does everything Corey does AND also what Moran does too and his Manchester team are 4 places above Panthers on a much smaller budget ! 😆 True, but as wgray suggests some newcomers do seem to struggle with that side of it. Even that chap in Coventry, whose name I can't remember, struggled more in year 2 when he assembled his own team rather than coaching LeFebruary's roster. Tripp's not had much of a start. Obviously others have fewer problems with it (Walser seemed to do fine), but probably does help if you know the league well. Plus they might not want to deal with that side of it.
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Post by shaun30 on Feb 14, 2018 18:16:49 GMT
The one thing that I have really noticed is that there hasn't been an identity or a certain style of hockey we play for quite a while now.
With regards to the new coach the first thing we need to give him is time.
Regardless of who we get there will be people who aren't happy and keyboard coaches.
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Post by texpef on Feb 14, 2018 18:25:25 GMT
Time? really so you are already advocating a lack of trophies season after season and we don't even know who it is likely to be yet (ok so its clark!!!) Sod that, several rookies have come into this league and won plenty of stuff including league titles assuming we get a "qualified experienced coach" (yeah right i know its going to be clark) why should we not expect success from the back..
As plenty have intimated there are only 3 maybe 4 clubs in our entire league that are capable of winning trophies and in particular the league so it isn't like panthers really have to actually beat that many.
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Post by wgray on Feb 14, 2018 18:51:27 GMT
In terms of trying to attract a coach with experience in leagues that are similar to ours, a big factor is going to be the structure of the club and the team around him. Coaches in NA and the lower European leagues will not put nowhere near enough responsibility on the coach as we do. In the majority of ice hockey leagues around the world the coach is the coach, he teaches the players that he has to play hockey how he wants. In terms of recruiting players there will likely be scouts in place who identify players, with input from the coach and the general manager due to past playing experience. It’s also down to the general manager speak to, attract and deal with the players. In the grand scheme of things Neilson has been doing all of this. Moran will definitely have dealings with players before signing but ultimately Corey has been fulfilling all of these roles (or not as people may view), this is one to the major reasons why I don’t think we’ll attract an experienced coach from another league, as well as the fact the they have to deal with GM. It will more than likely be someone familiar to the Panthers or the league. Finnerty currently does everything Corey does AND also what Moran does too and his Manchester team are 4 places above Panthers on a much smaller budget ! 😆 True iggy, but does that come down to him being a better coach?
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Post by iginla on Feb 14, 2018 19:03:15 GMT
Finnerty currently does everything Corey does AND also what Moran does too and his Manchester team are 4 places above Panthers on a much smaller budget ! 😆 True iggy, but does that come down to him being a better coach? Well I can’t see what else it could be can you ! 🤔
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Post by simonm on Feb 14, 2018 19:07:42 GMT
Luck, the bounce of the puck ?
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 14, 2018 19:13:19 GMT
You say you need an experienced coach but look what Keefe is doing and what Lord has done for Cardiff. Not even five seasons of coaching between them and arguably the two teams playing the best hockey this year. 100 percent they've done a great job, they're both north American with contacts. I'm not too fussed on experience although it would be an advantage, I think contacts are more important. We're never going to get a tactical genius at our level with experience so we may aswell go for the contacts. David ling anyone?
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 14, 2018 19:15:50 GMT
Yep but the one running away with it has a hockey minded management team running it. And an ex player as GM. Don’t matter who we get we’ll be in the same position next year. Kelman greets away fans through the door and our GM treats his own fans with distain. Says it all really. Remember my first trip to the BBT, I'd not been following Panthers that long and didn't know anyone in the league including kellman etc. We beat them 7-3 I think and kellman still stood there and wished me and other panthers fans safe travels home etc. Genuinely nice guy in my book .
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 14, 2018 19:18:41 GMT
Kelman greets away fans through the door and our GM treats his own fans with distain. Says it all really. Remember my first trip to the BBT, I'd not been following Panthers that long and didn't know anyone in the league including kellman etc. We beat them 7-3 I think and kellman still stood there and wished me and other panthers fans safe travels home etc. Genuinely nice guy in my book . Agreed. A man who has played the game and understands the value of welcoming fans unlike our GM.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 14, 2018 20:14:47 GMT
Kelman greets away fans through the door and our GM treats his own fans with distain. Says it all really. Remember my first trip to the BBT, I'd not been following Panthers that long and didn't know anyone in the league including kellman etc. We beat them 7-3 I think and kellman still stood there and wished me and other panthers fans safe travels home etc. Genuinely nice guy in my book . Plus Kellman isn’t labouring under the misapprehension that he’s some sort of comedian.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 14, 2018 21:05:42 GMT
I do hope we appoint a new coach by the end of the campaign or within the first couple of weeks of the off season. Whoever gets the job will need time to build his team for next season etc
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Post by simonm on Feb 14, 2018 21:17:36 GMT
How about Ling as player coach..
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 14, 2018 21:19:55 GMT
Chick Webber, won the play offs with a rag bag team and sound tactics. Or adey Or Adams
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Post by PantherG on Feb 14, 2018 21:51:45 GMT
Speculate till your hearts content, but i’d put money on Dave Clarke retiring and going behind the bench as head coach... anything else would shock me.
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Post by simonm on Feb 14, 2018 21:58:13 GMT
I agree with you if it was this time next year, but it's a year too early for me..
Season ticket sales will I suspect hinge on the coach being a draw...And not the expected squad.
I suspect Black will have to invest or lose season ticket sales, which let's face it, he ain't gonna like.
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