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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 14:21:49 GMT
Couple of things: I really doubt clarke will stay healthy all season. I think its risky relying on him as a second.liner for a full season. I imagine this is the sort of spot Mokshantsev will fill into. I see spang taking that werner spot your talking about. He will be a well paid player and i highly doubt Corey is going to get 4 d men to go ahead on him in the line up. Billingsly could be a good fit for Lee. Can transition but also defensively sound enough to cover some of Lees more 'what are you doing!' Moments. Enforcer: i'm firmly in the camp of every team should have one go to tough guy backed up by a couple of others. Question is wheres he going to go? Surely not upfront as i dont think we have space. All our remainimg forwards need to be 2nd and first line points scorers. So that leaves the defence. I still want at least 2 more stay at home guys. And one of tyem needs to be a stud. So that means either one of them or the last d man needs to be an enforcer. Lepine or a copy of him would solve alot of these problems. Shame because i always thought Farmer plays best with and Enforcer up front. Whilst I appreciate that it is a romantic notion that Clarke will stay healthy for an entire season I'd rather be positive about it as a fan and hope that he can, thinking about it negatively right now before the season has started is just a waste of time in my book. Now the club should have a contingency plan in place but that's a different matter entirely, they can't afford to be in a position of 'hoping' that a fan can. I completely agree that Werner & Spang are very similar (Spang being more gifted offensively), but I'd rather see him on a reduced workload to increase his effectiveness considering he's going to be a year older and he played A LOT of minutes last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 14:29:23 GMT
Don't even think Brown is a 2nd liner tbh. Now if we sign Brown's younger bro that's different lol Connor certainly wouldn't be a bad addition haha! The thing about Jeff Brown is that he's a known commodity to us and it's a safe to put him in that position to begin with, it could well be that once Bussieres gets's here he might well be good enough to be the second line centre so Brown moves down to the 3rd line to play with Farmer & Lindhagen. It's important to remember that we still have potentially 2 university places to dish out this year (assuming that 3 is our maximum in any given season, 6 being an overall maximum at one time) and if we manage to get 2 players up to the level of Garnett with those the garden will start to look a lot more rosy.
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Post by tootootrain on Jun 15, 2017 14:52:04 GMT
...the last d man needs to be an enforcer... I've always been very much against signing D-man enforcers. Whilst many look back on the days of Lepine with misty eyes, having a D-man enforcer is generally considered tactically poor. If you're going to have a player who could well sit out long penalties or be thrown from games it makes a lot more sense to have them playing a winger role in a 4 line forward system, rather than be one of the 3 lines of defence.
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Post by iginla on Jun 15, 2017 15:47:12 GMT
...the last d man needs to be an enforcer... I've always been very much against signing D-man enforcers. Whilst many look back on the days of Lepine with misty eyes, having a D-man enforcer is generally considered tactically poor. If you're going to have a player who could well sit out long penalties or be thrown from games it makes a lot more sense to have them playing a winger role in a 4 line forward system, rather than be one of the 3 lines of defence. It certainly does make sense to have a forward as the enforcer. Remember Brent Henley......as one of only THREE import Dmen. That was a completely and utterly stupid coaching decision ! 🙄
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 15, 2017 16:20:40 GMT
...the last d man needs to be an enforcer... I've always been very much against signing D-man enforcers. Whilst many look back on the days of Lepine with misty eyes, having a D-man enforcer is generally considered tactically poor. If you're going to have a player who could well sit out long penalties or be thrown from games it makes a lot more sense to have them playing a winger role in a 4 line forward system, rather than be one of the 3 lines of defence. I agree entirely. But based on what we've signed we cant afford one in our forward lines. Makes me question the resigning of lindhargen. At this point it will surely have to be a d man. Unless we are bringing in 4 really good forwards. Them maybe we could carry and enforcer up front.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 15, 2017 17:27:40 GMT
...the last d man needs to be an enforcer... I've always been very much against signing D-man enforcers. Whilst many look back on the days of Lepine with misty eyes, having a D-man enforcer is generally considered tactically poor. If you're going to have a player who could well sit out long penalties or be thrown from games it makes a lot more sense to have them playing a winger role in a 4 line forward system, rather than be one of the 3 lines of defence. I tend to agree, but it would be something I'd have been more worried about a few years ago. The way it's gone with that side of the game, I think it'd hurt us far less these days. I don't know if anyone records such things, but it'd be interesting to see some stats on numbers of fights in the last couple of seasons. I think Cam had fewer than 100 PIM by the end of his stint.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 15, 2017 17:34:51 GMT
I've always been very much against signing D-man enforcers. Whilst many look back on the days of Lepine with misty eyes, having a D-man enforcer is generally considered tactically poor. If you're going to have a player who could well sit out long penalties or be thrown from games it makes a lot more sense to have them playing a winger role in a 4 line forward system, rather than be one of the 3 lines of defence. I tend to agree, but it would be something I'd have been more worried about a few years ago. The way it's gone with that side of the game, I think it'd hurt us far less these days. I don't know if anyone records such things, but it'd be interesting to see some stats on numbers of fights in the last couple of seasons. I think Cam had fewer than 100 PIM by the end of his stint. i believe he had 98.
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Post by PantherB on Jun 15, 2017 18:36:51 GMT
I tend to agree, but it would be something I'd have been more worried about a few years ago. The way it's gone with that side of the game, I think it'd hurt us far less these days. I don't know if anyone records such things, but it'd be interesting to see some stats on numbers of fights in the last couple of seasons. I think Cam had fewer than 100 PIM by the end of his stint. i believe he had 98. He did. 18th Highest in the league that season, which is quite remarkable given the heat Panthers got from opposition fans when we signed him. Top 6 in PIMS that season were all Defencemen, with big bad, Boris Valabik taking 339 penalty minutes. In terms of having a tough defenceman, if Lepine was out of the picture then someone similar to him or Andrew Hotham would be ideal. Hotham has 158pts from 153 games in his 3 seasons in Cardiff. Missed only 3 games in 3 years and has 399 penalty minutes combined so far.
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Post by dp on Jun 15, 2017 18:54:19 GMT
I have to say, the lines people are suggesting so far look short on goals and short on toughness. Even if we spend big on our top line, you can't win the league with one line these days - the opposition just shut it down.
So we're in a situation where we either can't sign a tough guy (I'm not a fan of our main tough guy being a d man - and I seem to remember Corey saying that in the past too - obviously that was in one of the seasons where he thought tough guys were worth having, before flipping back to not needing one the season afterwards), or we sign one and end up similar to last season with having to try and play a grinding game due to lack of flair and goal scorers.
That is of course unless we're signing spares, which we might be (fingers crossed).
And given what we've signed so far, it's absolutely vital that Clarke plays a full season. Him playing a full season and getting 30 goals compared to him playing part and getting 15 makes a huge difference.
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Post by wgray on Jun 15, 2017 19:08:06 GMT
I have to say, the lines people are suggesting so far look short on goals and short on toughness. Even if we spend big on our top line, you can't win the league with one line these days - the opposition just shut it down. So we're in a situation where we either can't sign a tough guy (I'm not a fan of our main tough guy being a d man - and I seem to remember Corey saying that in the past too - obviously that was in one of the seasons where he thought tough guys were worth having, before flipping back to not needing one the season afterwards), or we sign one and end up similar to last season with having to try and play a grinding game due to lack of flair and goal scorers. That is of course unless we're signing spares, which we might be (fingers crossed). And given what we've signed so far, it's absolutely vital that Clarke plays a full season. Him playing a full season and getting 30 goals compared to him playing part and getting 15 makes a huge difference. I can't see us signing spare imports from the beginning of the season, Tetlow and Kelsall will fill in when required I believe. In regards to you saying that you don't like the lines suggested so far how do you think it will be set up then, because we have 8 forwards signed out of 12 and there aren't many other options other than what's been suggested?
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Post by dp on Jun 15, 2017 19:39:43 GMT
I have to say, the lines people are suggesting so far look short on goals and short on toughness. Even if we spend big on our top line, you can't win the league with one line these days - the opposition just shut it down. So we're in a situation where we either can't sign a tough guy (I'm not a fan of our main tough guy being a d man - and I seem to remember Corey saying that in the past too - obviously that was in one of the seasons where he thought tough guys were worth having, before flipping back to not needing one the season afterwards), or we sign one and end up similar to last season with having to try and play a grinding game due to lack of flair and goal scorers. That is of course unless we're signing spares, which we might be (fingers crossed). And given what we've signed so far, it's absolutely vital that Clarke plays a full season. Him playing a full season and getting 30 goals compared to him playing part and getting 15 makes a huge difference. I can't see us signing spare imports from the beginning of the season, Tetlow and Kelsall will fill in when required I believe. In regards to you saying that you don't like the lines suggested so far how do you think it will be set up then, because we have 8 forwards signed out of 12 and there aren't many other options other than what's been suggested? Sorry, I wasn't saying I think there are better ways to set them up - I was saying that I think the suggestions are probably about right, but it means the players we've signed makes us short of firepower and toughness - whichever way you shuffle them.
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Post by wgray on Jun 15, 2017 20:06:38 GMT
I can't see us signing spare imports from the beginning of the season, Tetlow and Kelsall will fill in when required I believe. In regards to you saying that you don't like the lines suggested so far how do you think it will be set up then, because we have 8 forwards signed out of 12 and there aren't many other options other than what's been suggested? Sorry, I wasn't saying I think there are better ways to set them up - I was saying that I think the suggestions are probably about right, but it means the players we've signed makes us short of firepower and toughness - whichever way you shuffle them. I see your point, I do agree with you original comment as well that was can't rely on one line to provide our scoring, every line is going to have contribute if we are going to be successful next season, settled lines to build chemistry are a must!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 20:40:29 GMT
Sorry, I wasn't saying I think there are better ways to set them up - I was saying that I think the suggestions are probably about right, but it means the players we've signed makes us short of firepower and toughness - whichever way you shuffle them. I see your point, I do agree with you original comment as well that was can't rely on one line to provide our scoring, every line is going to have contribute if we are going to be successful next season, settled lines to build chemistry are a must! What I'm really enjoying about this off-season so far is the mystery behind what we already have - we just don't know what Mokshantsev, Bussieres or Zakharchenko (and to an extent Billingsley) are going to bring to the team until we actually see them because they don't have enough of a history or CV to go off of to make an accurate assumption. All we know is that they're young and they've played in high level leagues, not just flirted with either they've played a substantial amount in these leagues, so they could (and should) have intangibles that make them dominant players over here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:05:44 GMT
I see your point, I do agree with you original comment as well that was can't rely on one line to provide our scoring, every line is going to have contribute if we are going to be successful next season, settled lines to build chemistry are a must! What I'm really enjoying about this off-season so far is the mystery behind what we already have - we just don't know what Mokshantsev, Bussieres or Zakharchenko (and to an extent Billingsley) are going to bring to the team until we actually see them because they don't have enough of a history or CV to go off of to make an accurate assumption. All we know is that they're young and they've played in high level leagues, not just flirted with either they've played a substantial amount in these leagues, so they could (and should) have intangibles that make them dominant players over here. Me too in a way and expect at least 5 more of this calibre of player mate
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 15, 2017 22:17:22 GMT
We HAVE to have a go to tough guy. If we don't Fitzgerald will love playing in the NIC. He will cause caos when they play us. So will all the other teams that have a go to tough guy.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jun 15, 2017 22:32:49 GMT
We HAVE to have a go to tough guy. If we don't Fitzgerald will love playing in the NIC. He will cause caos when they play us. So will all the other teams that have a go to tough guy. That's the thing that was easily missed about having McGrattan... guys like Fitzgerald would be totally written out of games because they didn't want to answer to him. Fitzgerald has gloated time and time again after the playoffs on Twitter, but for 7 months he was a dormouse in Nottingham! It shows how good McGrattan's reputation was in that area because Fitzy had quite a few bouts with Cam. No tough guy though and Fitzgerald, Paquette in Coventey etc will crawl back out the woodwork in games here.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 16, 2017 3:14:22 GMT
In regards to this signing I have a few friends who all know far more about the EBEL than me and they are certain this guy will be very decent indeed.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 16, 2017 9:29:18 GMT
I'd have my main go to tough guy on the 3rd line but not a goon. Someone in the KELSEY WILSON, LEIGH SALTERS or GUILLAUME DESBIENS mould. Be nice to have a big stay at home D man capable of handling them as well.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jun 16, 2017 9:59:59 GMT
With this guy, Brown, Billingsley, Tetlow and no doubt an actual enforcer coming in we've got a lot of team toughness showing so far. Looking forward to more players being signed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 11:17:34 GMT
What I'm really enjoying about this off-season so far is the mystery behind what we already have - we just don't know what Mokshantsev, Bussieres or Zakharchenko (and to an extent Billingsley) are going to bring to the team until we actually see them because they don't have enough of a history or CV to go off of to make an accurate assumption. All we know is that they're young and they've played in high level leagues, not just flirted with either they've played a substantial amount in these leagues, so they could (and should) have intangibles that make them dominant players over here. Me too in a way and expect at least 5 more of this calibre of player mate I can see that happening aswell, could lead to the 2 remaining uni place going to players like Garnett (one forward, one defence). If that is in fact the way they go about it and the kind of players uni places are going to go to next year we could have 5 or 6 players at that level on the team at one time, I may be giving the organisation to much credit for thinking long term rather than short term with that but as aways I can live in hope haha!
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Post by iginla on Jun 16, 2017 11:29:35 GMT
Me too in a way and expect at least 5 more of this calibre of player mate I can see that happening aswell, could lead to the 2 remaining uni place going to players like Garnett (one forward, one defence). If that is in fact the way they go about it and the kind of players uni places are going to go to next year we could have 5 or 6 players at that level on the team at one time, I may be giving the organisation to much credit for thinking long term rather than short term with that but as aways I can live in hope haha! Having 5 or 6 players on Uni deals at the same time is not good. We had 3 at Uni last year and it plays havoc with training. One of our own players told me that !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 11:36:26 GMT
I can see that happening aswell, could lead to the 2 remaining uni place going to players like Garnett (one forward, one defence). If that is in fact the way they go about it and the kind of players uni places are going to go to next year we could have 5 or 6 players at that level on the team at one time, I may be giving the organisation to much credit for thinking long term rather than short term with that but as aways I can live in hope haha! Having 5 or 6 players on Uni deals at the same time is not good. We had 3 at Uni last year and it plays havoc with training. One of our own players told me that ! I'd've thought there would've been 5 missing at any one time with Brown, Spang, Waugh, Dimmen & Moran on the uni course wouldn't there? I don't for a second think that it's an ideal situation but if it gets us more players like Garnett I'd be hard pressed to grumble at them missing training sessions here and there.
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Post by iginla on Jun 16, 2017 12:01:01 GMT
Having 5 or 6 players on Uni deals at the same time is not good. We had 3 at Uni last year and it plays havoc with training. One of our own players told me that ! I'd've thought there would've been 5 missing at any one time with Brown, Spang, Waugh, Dimmen & Moran on the uni course wouldn't there? I don't for a second think that it's an ideal situation but if it gets us more players like Garnett I'd be hard pressed to grumble at them missing training sessions here and there. Sorry there were 5 at Uni last year yes. You have Uni guys missing training and any injured guys sat out too and before you know it half the team are missing. Add in that they are probably going to be your key better guys too,because that's who you generally give Uni deals to....and it ain't good It's no wonder we're always crap on the power play is it if they don't train properly ! 🙄
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Post by Shorty on Jun 16, 2017 12:16:19 GMT
So do the other teams offering university places do something different in terms of training than us?
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Post by Ghost on Jun 16, 2017 12:16:40 GMT
I'd've thought there would've been 5 missing at any one time with Brown, Spang, Waugh, Dimmen & Moran on the uni course wouldn't there? I don't for a second think that it's an ideal situation but if it gets us more players like Garnett I'd be hard pressed to grumble at them missing training sessions here and there. Sorry there were 5 at Uni last year yes. You have Uni guys missing training and any injured guys sat out too and before you know it half the team are missing. Add in that they are probably going to be your key better guys too,because that's who you generally give Uni deals to....and it ain't good It's no wonder we're always crap on the power play is it if they don't train properly ! 🙄 But you need uni deals to convince some of them to come here. Garnett for example.
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