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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 18:06:24 GMT
I think one of the big factors on why people think he's potentially going to be good is that an NHL team made a reach to take him in the 2nd round, that means someone saw something they thought was special enough that they should take a punt on him. He's an exciting signing with a lot more upside than downside. Logan Macmillan was drafted about 15th pick in the FIRST round and look how good that was ! I'd argue that there are exceptional circumstances (serious character flaws) that led to MacMillan not ever reaching the potential people saw in him - doesn't seem to be the case with Bussieres.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jun 14, 2017 18:09:29 GMT
We don't know that much about him, but to me he seems something like a Kelsey Wilson type player. Corey loved him. With criticism being put that last years forwards didn't put enough physical effort in, perhaps this might be a useful addition. No doubt we will be getting players in the skilful department to add to what is already there. The roster is building up OK - lets see what the other additions are. Perhaps also we are seeing a leaning towards character with the signings already made. Players also have to turn up for Dundee etc on a Tuesday night.
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 18:28:11 GMT
Iginla why don't you tell everyone on this forum the sort of player you would have as a 2nd liner ? As this is where RB will play Such as playing history ... average points output.. even put a link up of a example off elite prospects Panthers top two lines should be stacked Pidge. We should be attracting at least half a dozen players every year who have played plenty of AHL,SHL,DEL or point a gamers in ECHL If i knew how to do it I would post you some examples but alas i don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 18:44:13 GMT
We have plenty of said league experience every year. Last year we had the most ahl experience of any eihl team !
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 18:44:26 GMT
So he scores a goal every five and a half games. He's crap at face offs. His plus/minus is appalling. And his pen minutes don't really reflect somebody rough and tumble like Salters. Mmmmm.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 14, 2017 18:45:29 GMT
excited to see him play.
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Post by bobness on Jun 14, 2017 18:45:38 GMT
We should be attracting at least half a dozen players every year who have played plenty of AHL,SHL,DEL or point a gamers in ECHL If i knew how to do it I would post you some examples but alas i don't. Just copy and paste the URL. So easy even I can do it. Good job we didn't sign this bloke, Lord only knows what you'd say about him. www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=87523
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Post by bobness on Jun 14, 2017 18:46:58 GMT
We have plenty of said league experience every year. Last year we had the most ahl experience of any eihl team ! Exactly. Far too early to be saying anything yet.
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 18:54:17 GMT
We have plenty of said league experience every year. Last year we had the most ahl experience of any eihl team ! Exactly. Far too early to be saying anything yet. It is too early,but we can only comment as we sign each of them. But we need some quality because without it were winning nothing. Let's be honest,apart from Garnett any of the new imports so far are Manchester,Dundee and Fife type signings.
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Post by bobness on Jun 14, 2017 18:56:06 GMT
So he scores a goal every five and a half games. He's crap at face offs. His plus/minus is appalling. And his pen minutes don't really reflect somebody rough and tumble like Salters. Mmmmm. So he scores a goal every five and a half games. On a pretty awful team, he was their joint 4th top goalscorer, only 4 goals behind the leader. And top points scorer. He's crap at face offs. I'd take that % from a winger who takes less than 1 face off per game on average. His plus/minus is appalling. Again, on an awful team whose goal difference was -121 for the year. He wasn't the worst on his team, but I'd guess saw a heck of a lot of icetime. And his pen minutes don't really reflect somebody rough and tumble like Salters. Second on his team, and the EBEL doesn't really "do" fighting, does it? Only 3 players in the league had more than 100 minutes for the year. 9 for 131 on shooting percentage could do with a bit of work, it must be said...
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 18:57:26 GMT
We have plenty of said league experience every year. Last year we had the most ahl experience of any eihl team ! Blame the coach then Pidge. Remind me what Cardiff,Sheffield and Belfast had last season.....they all finished above Panthers ! 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 19:01:45 GMT
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 19:07:22 GMT
Indeed. The teams with all the quality finish top half of the league and the others with all the young un's,unknowns,chances and average also rans finish bottom half !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 19:20:58 GMT
Indeed. The teams with all the quality finish top half of the league and the others with all the young un's,unknowns,chances and average also rans finish bottom half ! Cardiff had half the AHL game experience as Sheffield and not much other too league experience....
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 14, 2017 19:24:54 GMT
Indeed. The teams with all the quality finish top half of the league and the others with all the young un's,unknowns,chances and average also rans finish bottom half ! So we sign a guy with experience (garnett) and you complain at his age. Then we sign young players (zacharchenko, mokshantsev, bussieres) and you complain about their CV? Its the experience that gets them a CV. experience=age. yet you wont have them if they are over 30 and you don't want them unless they have experience when they are 21/22/23 and you still complain.
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Post by sevcik on Jun 14, 2017 19:39:30 GMT
Indeed. The teams with all the quality finish top half of the league and the others with all the young un's,unknowns,chances and average also rans finish bottom half ! It shouldn't have took an expert to work out last season's team was pitifully short of scoring power even in the mid summer of last year. Yet some were convinced the team could/would challenge for trophies.... Including the coach. How a minority amongst cage forum members could see it and the coach couldn't us beyond me. Whilst not totally impressed with the team assembled so far. I'm optimistic barring some of Corey's more bizarre coaching tactics and injuries aside that this team will be far more competitive than last season's.... Though that's not hard...
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 19:40:54 GMT
Indeed. The teams with all the quality finish top half of the league and the others with all the young un's,unknowns,chances and average also rans finish bottom half ! So we sign a guy with experience (garnett) and you complain at his age. Then we sign young players (zacharchenko, mokshantsev, bussieres) and you complain about their CV? Its the experience that gets them a CV. experience=age. yet you wont have them if they are over 30 and you don't want them unless they have experience when they are 21/22/23 and you still complain. I have no complaints about Garnett,but a couple years younger would gave been nice, It's the rest of the imports so far I don't like much. One things for sure though. No team has ever won the EIHL without plenty of good quality and experience on their roster and I don't believe they ever will.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:14:13 GMT
So we sign a guy with experience (garnett) and you complain at his age. Then we sign young players (zacharchenko, mokshantsev, bussieres) and you complain about their CV? Its the experience that gets them a CV. experience=age. yet you wont have them if they are over 30 and you don't want them unless they have experience when they are 21/22/23 and you still complain. I have no complaints about Garnett,but a couple years younger would gave been nice, It's the rest of the imports so far I don't like much. One things for sure though. No team has ever won the EIHL without plenty of good quality and experience on their roster and I don't believe they ever will. If we didn't have 7 imports still to sign I'd be marginally concerned... but we do, so I'm not. It's all coming together nicely so far.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jun 14, 2017 20:20:14 GMT
I'm not overly fussed by this signing. I don't think he looks a bad player and could be a diamond in the rough with something to prove.
I think the lower end of the lineup looks okay and the goal tending exceptional. What we need now is the quality top 2 lines.
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Post by dp on Jun 14, 2017 20:38:40 GMT
I think the quality of this signing depends what he's been brought in to do. If he's a top 6 forward then he's probably not going to win us the league. The 0.7-region PPG, young, ECHL players tend to be the type that the lower end teams sign - and some turn out really good....but it's a gamble.
But I can see him doing really well on a third line with Farmer and Brown - sounds like just the sort who would bring the best out of Farmer and create a line which is horrible to play against - and would also bring the points scoring side of Farmer's game out.
As far as I can see, Panthers haven't signed any of the top forwards or top D yet so it's difficult to judge this signing.
What worries me is Corey talking about not needing an enforcer - and I hope he's not expecting this chap to stand up to Fitzgerald etc because he's nowhere near tough enough. He's definitely not a Salters-type. When you look at Salters stats in NA and compare them, it needs to be remembered he played most of his career as an enforcer - which I seem to remember is why he moved over to Europe, so he could get more ice time.
On another note, I'm just so bored of Corey's pre-season waffle. He just alternates between, "we don't need a tough guy, the league has moved on", to "I want a team with more quality and more experience" to "I need a younger and hungrier team" to "I want some grade A tough guys to keep the opposition honest". I seriously think he's just winding the fans up - either that or he's just so bored with it all he can't be bothered to think of anything to say.
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Post by Mark Mac on Jun 14, 2017 21:06:16 GMT
This guy looks alright. I'm not blown away but then the signing doesn't concern. Looks to be a good addition to the team.
My favourite quote about this is Neilson saying "I think he’s going to be good". Now I'll be honest, being 'good' should really be the bare minimum in a signing.
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Post by sevcik on Jun 14, 2017 21:30:06 GMT
I think the quality of this signing depends what he's been brought in to do. If he's a top 6 forward then he's probably not going to win us the league. The 0.7-region PPG, young, ECHL players tend to be the type that the lower end teams sign - and some turn out really good....but it's a gamble. But I can see him doing really well on a third line with Farmer and Brown - sounds like just the sort who would bring the best out of Farmer and create a line which is horrible to play against - and would also bring the points scoring side of Farmer's game out. As far as I can see, Panthers haven't signed any of the top forwards or top D yet so it's difficult to judge this signing. What worries me is Corey talking about not needing an enforcer - and I hope he's not expecting this chap to stand up to Fitzgerald etc because he's nowhere near tough enough. He's definitely not a Salters-type. When you look at Salters stats in NA and compare them, it needs to be remembered he played most of his career as an enforcer - which I seem to remember is why he moved over to Europe, so he could get more ice time. On another note, I'm just so bored of Corey's pre-season waffle. He just alternates between, "we don't need a tough guy, the league has moved on", to "I want a team with more quality and more experience" to "I need a younger and hungrier team" to "I want some grade A tough guys to keep the opposition honest". I seriously think he's just winding the fans up - either that or he's just so bored with it all he can't be bothered to think of anything to say. I may ultimately be wrong but at this point in time I think Neilson is going for team toughness and not an out and out enforcer. You have Bellieres himself who hasn't had a massive amount of fights compared to out and out enforcers but can handle himself. You also have Brown, Farmer... Who is not afraid fight (but we all know it's not his best skill). At a push you have Billingsley and even Clarke (if his shoulder can stand the exertion lol) Clutching at straws you also have Tetlow (who has not yet been signed/announced at Bracknell or Swindon or anywhere else for that matter) Whether there is enough toughness there & whether Corey is planning to add to it only time will tell. Personally I think we need at least an established/experienced power forward type player ike Desbiens. We can't afford to carry an out and out goon. We need one who will also contribute points as well. Especially with our history of injuries.....
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Post by sevcik on Jun 14, 2017 21:36:28 GMT
I think the quality of this signing depends what he's been brought in to do. If he's a top 6 forward then he's probably not going to win us the league. The 0.7-region PPG, young, ECHL players tend to be the type that the lower end teams sign - and some turn out really good....but it's a gamble. But I can see him doing really well on a third line with Farmer and Brown - sounds like just the sort who would bring the best out of Farmer and create a line which is horrible to play against - and would also bring the points scoring side of Farmer's game out. As far as I can see, Panthers haven't signed any of the top forwards or top D yet so it's difficult to judge this signing. What worries me is Corey talking about not needing an enforcer - and I hope he's not expecting this chap to stand up to Fitzgerald etc because he's nowhere near tough enough. He's definitely not a Salters-type. When you look at Salters stats in NA and compare them, it needs to be remembered he played most of his career as an enforcer - which I seem to remember is why he moved over to Europe, so he could get more ice time. On another note, I'm just so bored of Corey's pre-season waffle. He just alternates between, "we don't need a tough guy, the league has moved on", to "I want a team with more quality and more experience" to "I need a younger and hungrier team" to "I want some grade A tough guys to keep the opposition honest". I seriously think he's just winding the fans up - either that or he's just so bored with it all he can't be bothered to think of anything to say. I may ultimately be wrong but at this point in time I think Neilson is going for team toughness and not an out and out enforcer. You have Bellieres himself who hasn't had a massive amount of fights compared to out and out enforcers but can handle himself. You also have Brown, Farmer... Who is not afraid fight (but we all know it's not his best skill). At a push you have Billingsley and even Clarke (if his shoulder can stand the exertion lol) Clutching at straws you also have Tetlow (who has not yet been signed/announced at Bracknell or Swindon or anywhere else for that matter) Whether there is enough toughness there & whether Corey is planning to add to it only time will tell. Personally I think we need at least an established/experienced power forward type player ike Desbiens. We can't afford to carry an out and out goon. We need one who will also contribute points as well. Especially with our history of injuries..... I almost forgot... Steve Lee too. Though I think his concussion issues mean now he will only fight when absolutely necessary or when no choiced. I think one more bad concussion and sadly he could be done....
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Post by wgray on Jun 14, 2017 22:54:44 GMT
I think the quality of this signing depends what he's been brought in to do. If he's a top 6 forward then he's probably not going to win us the league. The 0.7-region PPG, young, ECHL players tend to be the type that the lower end teams sign - and some turn out really good....but it's a gamble. But I can see him doing really well on a third line with Farmer and Brown - sounds like just the sort who would bring the best out of Farmer and create a line which is horrible to play against - and would also bring the points scoring side of Farmer's game out. As far as I can see, Panthers haven't signed any of the top forwards or top D yet so it's difficult to judge this signing. What worries me is Corey talking about not needing an enforcer - and I hope he's not expecting this chap to stand up to Fitzgerald etc because he's nowhere near tough enough. He's definitely not a Salters-type. When you look at Salters stats in NA and compare them, it needs to be remembered he played most of his career as an enforcer - which I seem to remember is why he moved over to Europe, so he could get more ice time. On another note, I'm just so bored of Corey's pre-season waffle. He just alternates between, "we don't need a tough guy, the league has moved on", to "I want a team with more quality and more experience" to "I need a younger and hungrier team" to "I want some grade A tough guys to keep the opposition honest". I seriously think he's just winding the fans up - either that or he's just so bored with it all he can't be bothered to think of anything to say. I think he his going to be a top 6 forward, we currently have 8 forwards signed out of 12 leaving 4 import forwards to be announced, when you look at the balance of the lines we are very left hand heavy up top currently and I think Corey could be trying to set the lines in the following way Farmer Import Import Bussieres Import Import Mokshantsev Brown Clarke Lacho Lindhagen Betteridge Kelsall In my opinion this is how we should set the forward lines, the final four imports should consist of two pure playmakers and two goal scorers, the lines would then be set up with an even amount of graft, skill and goal scoring with the first two lines being your offensive leaders. Obviously Corey will do whatever he wants and probably the opposite to this but you can only dream. Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 23:46:23 GMT
I think the quality of this signing depends what he's been brought in to do. If he's a top 6 forward then he's probably not going to win us the league. The 0.7-region PPG, young, ECHL players tend to be the type that the lower end teams sign - and some turn out really good....but it's a gamble. But I can see him doing really well on a third line with Farmer and Brown - sounds like just the sort who would bring the best out of Farmer and create a line which is horrible to play against - and would also bring the points scoring side of Farmer's game out. As far as I can see, Panthers haven't signed any of the top forwards or top D yet so it's difficult to judge this signing. What worries me is Corey talking about not needing an enforcer - and I hope he's not expecting this chap to stand up to Fitzgerald etc because he's nowhere near tough enough. He's definitely not a Salters-type. When you look at Salters stats in NA and compare them, it needs to be remembered he played most of his career as an enforcer - which I seem to remember is why he moved over to Europe, so he could get more ice time. On another note, I'm just so bored of Corey's pre-season waffle. He just alternates between, "we don't need a tough guy, the league has moved on", to "I want a team with more quality and more experience" to "I need a younger and hungrier team" to "I want some grade A tough guys to keep the opposition honest". I seriously think he's just winding the fans up - either that or he's just so bored with it all he can't be bothered to think of anything to say. I think he his going to be a top 6 forward, we currently have 8 forwards signed out of 12 leaving 4 import forwards to be announced, when you look at the balance of the lines we are very left hand heavy up top currently and I think Corey could be trying to set the lines in the following way Farmer Import Import Bussieres Import Import Mokshantsev Brown Clarke Lacho Lindhagen Betteridge Kelsall In my opinion this is how we should set the forward lines, the final four imports should consist of two pure playmakers and two goal scorers, the lines would then be set up with an even amount of graft, skill and goal scoring with the first two lines being your offensive leaders. Obviously Corey will do whatever he wants and probably the opposite to this but you can only dream. Any thoughts? I think you 'll find lindhagen will be playing D. Farmer ain't a top 6 forward
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