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Oct 26, 2017 17:23:01 GMT
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Post by wgray on Oct 26, 2017 17:23:01 GMT
Here's a question. If a player this coming weekend does similar to what Fretter did...what ban is he going to get ? I don't see how they can give him any more than one game. they can't otherwise the uproar would be worse than we have seen in this instance. Had any other player done that they'd have been called for Charging, Checking from Behind and Checking to the Head/Neck, a 5 game ban would probably have accumulated due to how dangerous it was. It's ridiculous to say but, from the decision that has been made, how can the people within DOPS not be accused of being biased?
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Oct 26, 2017 18:02:50 GMT
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 18:02:50 GMT
Half the trouble with this rudiculous situation is that the refs are scared to make big potential game changing calls,so they hide behind Dops They call just a 2 or 2+10 when they should call a game or match,because they can just leave it to Dops to sort out later. The whole thing goes back to money at the end of the day and until the EIHL spend some money to rectify it this crap will just keep happening again.
Not sure I want to watch this joke league much longer,it just seems more of a total biased,unethical,unproffesional farce as seasons roll by.
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Post by blackcat on Oct 26, 2017 18:32:20 GMT
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Oct 26, 2017 18:51:58 GMT
Post by meadow on Oct 26, 2017 18:51:58 GMT
Looks like the EIHL hits international infamy once again, this time courtesy of ESPN: www.espn.co.uk/nhl/story/_/id/21157723/nhl-uk-hockey-league-skate-kick-suspension-bafflingThe author mentions in the article something I thought as soon as I saw the video - theres real echoes of the Steve Moore / Bertruzzi incident in this. Upon seeing the video I honestly thought Fretter's suspension would be running weeks if not months, regardless of Goulakos' hit...just how a group of 'hockey people' came to the conclusion that it was only worth the mandatory game ban absolutely beggars belief.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:53:48 GMT
Post by dp on Oct 26, 2017 18:53:48 GMT
Thank god they've realised how stupid the decision is and what a laughing stock they're making the league, BUT.... - asking for an independent review completely undermines DOPS, and surely it just can't continue after this - what sort of precedent does it set? If a club's not happy with a ruling, they can just request an independent review can't they? - the independent panel will almost certainly work on a different scale to DOPS, so if Fretter gets, say, 20 games (which I'd be surprised with but isn't out the question if this panel is truly independent) then that resets the par for the Elite League from the current very lenient levels - I find it difficult to believe that whoever is DOPS is not under pressure from "the league" to favour Sheffield and Cardiff in particular (Marsh being the proof of the Cardiff bias a couple of years ago) All very strange. But, as I say, whatever happens, DOPS can't carry on after this. The check from Goulakos which started this wasn't pretty, but it was Game at worst. Definitely not the sort of check that doesn't happen very regularly, and it didn't have a lot of force behind it anyway.
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Oct 26, 2017 19:03:38 GMT
Post by dp on Oct 26, 2017 19:03:38 GMT
OK, I’ll trust you. I was there but I’ll trust you over what I saw. You were at the Steelers/Giants game? I don't get your point to be honest. I was at the bench clearance game, but it was much clearer working out what happened after seeing the video afterwards. And if I'd been at Steelers-Giants I imagine my view in the arena wouldn't be as good as my view from the video that's freely available now. Unless you're saying the video has been manipulated and what actually happened was completely different and only witnessed by the people at the arena? (and DOPS presumably). Can you confirm?
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Oct 26, 2017 20:40:08 GMT
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Post by ted logan on Oct 26, 2017 20:40:08 GMT
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 26, 2017 20:43:18 GMT
This has to spell the end of the DOP's as we know them - cannot see how any review will back the DOP's original decisions, and that will only fuel the conspiracy theories - It is a shame that after all the positive press that Ice Hockey has had due to the exploits of Panthers and Devils, that it should now be dragged to the gutter by the very people who are supposed to look after the players safety
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Oct 26, 2017 20:58:21 GMT
Post by dp on Oct 26, 2017 20:58:21 GMT
One thing that confused me with that - it says “unprecedented”. Didn’t they do the same with the Marsh hit on Moran? Albeit that time because Kelman wasn’t happy the league had disobeyed him and the ban was too long.
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Oct 26, 2017 21:05:17 GMT
Post by blackpanther2011 on Oct 26, 2017 21:05:17 GMT
In my opinion of events (Watching the video on youtube) , Hicks had a great front on view of the first incident and didn't call anything at the time of the original hit and the game continued, fair enough. Fretter in my opinion did look twice and saw Goulakos there before he received the pass. Goulakos did hit fretter from behind but more from his elbow/forearm rather than two handed stick and could have been called for elbowing or check from behind. I have seen both given in my time has a hockey fan.
Then seconds later, Fretter is up and charges Spyro and two glove punches him in the back of the head. What a coward. Then Hicks makes the call. That is Hicks all over for you calls nothing for a period then calls everything simply the worst ref in the league. If hicks had made the original call on Spyro to begin with, this would never have escalated like it did. Finally Where the hell did the DOPS (Department of protecting Sheffield) see Goulakos kick is beyond me. A kick in my dictionary is described has a forward movement of the foot which I saw none off since Spyro's skate being pushed aside and down and in my eyes was up to protect himself.
the Sheffield commentator what a plank. he saw a 3rd man in - give me a break! If it wasn't for the other Belfast player, Fretter could have done real damage to Goulakos.
I hope Belfast win this case for the game of hockey since they are a very good team when full benched. This is exactly what Brock Wilson has been saying for years now, A Neutral outside agency to deal with these calls. This league will never grow until the circus that is DOPS is sorted out properly with former players on the panel and not penguin suited board-members who don't know the game or have played the sport.
again this was my opinion on the events and I respect everyones opinion on here since what we all love is the game of hockey
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Oct 26, 2017 21:06:32 GMT
Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 21:06:32 GMT
And even now,we still don't know who is making the review decision.......Swedish Hockey League by any chance. The EIHL couldn't be transparent if they were made of glass !
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Oct 26, 2017 21:19:15 GMT
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 26, 2017 21:19:15 GMT
And even now,we still don't know who is making the review decision.......Swedish Hockey League by any chance. The EIHL couldn't be transparent if they were made of glass ! Mike Hicks is the "officiating manager" and runs DOPS for the Metal Ligaen (Danish League). Perhaps he is reviewing it...
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Oct 26, 2017 21:52:37 GMT
Post by doug on Oct 26, 2017 21:52:37 GMT
Is nobody aware on the Cage that DOPS is your very own Simon Kirkham?
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Oct 26, 2017 21:52:42 GMT
Post by Shaggy on Oct 26, 2017 21:52:42 GMT
Both bans should be increased IMO... Goulash Soup needs his bunking up to 5+ games (reckless use of skates, plus he really should be clobbered for that initial hit anyway)... and Chicken Fritter should get 3-5 games for that high-speed assault from behind. No doubt both Keefe and Thompson would complain... which is how we'd know that it was a better judgement, both of them are whingeing hypocrites.
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 22:02:49 GMT
So basically,by allegedly bringing in and letting a completely different league give a review and decision on the Fretter incident,what they're really saying or admitting is......
We are totally useless and incompetent,haven't a bloody clue,so could you please tell us what the hell we should do ! 🙄
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Oct 26, 2017 22:05:37 GMT
Post by Mark on Oct 26, 2017 22:05:37 GMT
Once again British ice hockey makes itself look incompetent on the international stage.
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Oct 26, 2017 22:07:40 GMT
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 26, 2017 22:07:40 GMT
Is nobody aware on the Cage that DOPS is your very own Simon Kirkham? Ours? Wasn't aware that Simon Kirkham had an account on this forum.
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Oct 27, 2017 6:19:22 GMT
Post by doug on Oct 27, 2017 6:19:22 GMT
Is nobody aware on the Cage that DOPS is your very own Simon Kirkham? Ours? Wasn't aware that Simon Kirkham had an account on this forum. He's from Nottingham, played for Nottingham teams, and Panther's bus gave him lifts when he refereed Sheffield games.
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Oct 27, 2017 6:25:14 GMT
Post by Bagheera on Oct 27, 2017 6:25:14 GMT
Ours? Wasn't aware that Simon Kirkham had an account on this forum. He's from Nottingham, played for Nottingham teams, and Panther's bus gave him lifts when he refereed Sheffield games. Lol. The same bus story fired at Carson the other way around. 😂
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Oct 27, 2017 7:03:06 GMT
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Post by Shorty on Oct 27, 2017 7:03:06 GMT
Wasn’t Kirkhams wife in charge of our supporters club too. You can add that to your list if you like, or am I thinking of Carson ...........
It’s corrupt and we all know where it stems from.
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Oct 27, 2017 7:34:06 GMT
Post by Pies on Oct 27, 2017 7:34:06 GMT
So, it's clear to me DOPS in its current format cannot operate. Here are my suggestions to improvement: 3 ex players who are name as the DOPS panel are sent incidents. Let's say it's Brock Wilson, Daryl Lloyd and Rod Sarich for arguments sake. They have a Skype call where they watch the incidents and discuss them. The Skype call can be recorded for the purpose of minute taking. They work a decision out and realease it to the teams. They then release the minutes of the discussions (and the raw discussion) to the 2 effected teams. If they then wish to appeal that decision (and this is either team, not just the offending one), it goes to an independent appointed official (let's say an AHL referee for argument) who reviews the incident, listens to the discussion and then makes an independent judgment on that. That is then released by the league. At that point there is no further appeals. But the fans are told whether it was appealed or not for candour. If there is no appeal, the DOPS decision is released.
It allows full and open clarity on the reasoning for teams effected, it has people who have played not only the game but played it over here and understand the league but also gives an accountability. It's not perfect either because people will always claim bias but some will never get past rose tinted specs for their team. But the clubs can fully understand why the decision for X amount of games has been made. This technology is at no cost because Skype allows you to do all of this. They don't even need to be in the same time zone to do it and can be paid a nominal fee for their time.
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Post by ted logan on Oct 27, 2017 7:55:01 GMT
Ours? Wasn't aware that Simon Kirkham had an account on this forum. He's from Nottingham, played for Nottingham teams, and Panther's bus gave him lifts when he refereed Sheffield games. I really fail to see the relevance of the whole Simon Kirkham thing? What’s your point Doug? An absolutely awful decision has been made by DOPS, no matter who sits on the panel. Any fair minded fan should be able to see that, regardless of what colour tinted specs they wear. DOPS has made the league an utter laughing stock, not just in this country but across the pond too. So whoever made his decision must be held accountable, regardless of where they’re from, who they support etc. That’s irrelevant.
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Oct 27, 2017 9:10:05 GMT
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Post by iginla on Oct 27, 2017 9:10:05 GMT
He's from Nottingham, played for Nottingham teams, and Panther's bus gave him lifts when he refereed Sheffield games. I really fail to see the relevance of the whole Simon Kirkham thing? What’s your point Doug? An absolutely awful decision has been made by DOPS, no matter who sits on the panel. Any fair minded fan should be able to see that, regardless of what colour tinted specs they wear. DOPS has made the league an utter laughing stock, not just in this country but across the pond too. So whoever made his decision must be held accountable, regardless of where they’re from, who they support etc. That’s irrelevant. And if you're inferring Kirkham is a Panther Doug.... Then Fretter really did get off lightly didn't he ! He won't now though. They will probably go the other way at review to make an example of it.
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Oct 27, 2017 9:17:26 GMT
Post by messier1851 on Oct 27, 2017 9:17:26 GMT
I know it's the stable door after the horse has bolted but if Goulakis gets 5+Game for the initial hit from behind, which would've been the right call, then none of this happens.
The DOPS decision is a complete farce, but there is an onus on the on-ice officials to get it right in the first place.
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Oct 27, 2017 9:25:54 GMT
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 27, 2017 9:25:54 GMT
Lol. The same bus story fired at Carson the other way around. 😂 Yeah but our traffic cone looking chums from from the land that intellect passed by cry and whinge if you point that out. Don't, whatever you do, point out that Pering (a current ref rather than a historic one) lives in Sheffield and works for a long-term sponsor of the Sheffield Steelers. Or to put it another way, Pering's employer benefits from a successful Sheffield Steelers. No conflict of interest at all, oh no. Educating Yorkshire? You'd have more luck educating pork.
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