Mark
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Oct 26, 2017 0:22:55 GMT
Post by Mark on Oct 26, 2017 0:22:55 GMT
I think we all need to know the individuals who are making these ridiculous decisions. The only reason I can see for not revealing their identities is the possibility of even more controversy if we knew who they were.
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iginla
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Oct 26, 2017 7:26:56 GMT
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 7:26:56 GMT
I think we all need to know the individuals who are making these ridiculous decisions. The only reason I can see for not revealing their identities is the possibility of even more controversy if we knew who they were. Simon Kirkham is head of DOPS If he doesn't like a decision then he should overturn it ! #thebuckstops
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Oct 26, 2017 7:43:08 GMT
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 26, 2017 7:43:08 GMT
The league is a pile of poo! Ran by idiots who don’t know how to progress it in the right way!! DOPS are a joke and forever favouring Sheffield. I don’t wish for players injured in retribution but I’ve a feeling with Keefe behind the bench that he’ll get what’s coming to him, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Keefe himself get on the ice and take care of it himself. Doesn’t matter if he gets a ban because he’ll just not ice after that. As he's an import, if he gets banned they can't use that import slot if I remember correctly so they'll still lose a man regardless. Ah true but they currently have injuries on injuries so they’d just be able to bring someone in as “injury cover” I’m sure.
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Post by ted logan on Oct 26, 2017 7:49:43 GMT
Emmersons check was against Belfast. He got a 2 minute pen on the night,increased to a match by Dops,then given a ten game ban partly because of no film footage. Whether it got reduced I can't remember,think it did in the end. Why the player was punished excessively though for a club fault I've no idea. On that merit,Fretter was right in front of Steelers bench when he got checked,so you could argue Thommo could have been charged for failing to control his player ! Tommo control his players? Clown can’t even control himself. What I also noticed from the incident was that straight after the Goulakis hit on Fretter, Armstrong skated straight past Goulakis and did nothing. Absolutely nothing. I know his speciality is running netties but surely he could/should have done something?
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Oct 26, 2017 7:59:38 GMT
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Post by wgray on Oct 26, 2017 7:59:38 GMT
Emmersons check was against Belfast. He got a 2 minute pen on the night,increased to a match by Dops,then given a ten game ban partly because of no film footage. Whether it got reduced I can't remember,think it did in the end. Why the player was punished excessively though for a club fault I've no idea. On that merit,Fretter was right in front of Steelers bench when he got checked,so you could argue Thommo could have been charged for failing to control his player ! Tommo control his players? Clown can’t even control himself. What I also noticed from the incident was that straight after the Goulakis hit on Fretter, Armstrong skated straight past Goulakis and did nothing. Absolutely nothing. I know his speciality is running netties but surely he could/should have done something? it's because he's spineless. If, and I very much doubt it with the squad we have, a Panther player had just skated by without doing anything, I would be very dissapointed. He didn't have to beat him to a pulp, he could have just grabbed him and said what are you doing.
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Oct 26, 2017 8:52:18 GMT
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 8:52:18 GMT
Emmersons check was against Belfast. He got a 2 minute pen on the night,increased to a match by Dops,then given a ten game ban partly because of no film footage. Whether it got reduced I can't remember,think it did in the end. Why the player was punished excessively though for a club fault I've no idea. On that merit,Fretter was right in front of Steelers bench when he got checked,so you could argue Thommo could have been charged for failing to control his player ! Tommo control his players? Clown can’t even control himself. What I also noticed from the incident was that straight after the Goulakis hit on Fretter, Armstrong skated straight past Goulakis and did nothing. Absolutely nothing. I know his speciality is running netties but surely he could/should have done something? Or perhaps the other Steelers players saw nothing much wrong with the original Goulakos hit As I see it. 1. The original hit was just a 2+10 2, There was no kick,just Goulakos trying to get up. Try laying on your back and getting up quick without at least moving your legs ! 3. Fretter should have got at least 5 games.
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doug
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Oct 26, 2017 10:36:37 GMT
Post by doug on Oct 26, 2017 10:36:37 GMT
Tommo control his players? Clown can’t even control himself. What I also noticed from the incident was that straight after the Goulakis hit on Fretter, Armstrong skated straight past Goulakis and did nothing. Absolutely nothing. I know his speciality is running netties but surely he could/should have done something? Or perhaps the other Steelers players saw nothing much wrong with the original Goulakos hit As I see it. 1. The original hit was just a 2+10 2, There was no kick,just Goulakos trying to get up. Try laying on your back and getting up quick without at least moving your legs ! 3. Fretter should have got at least 5 games. And aren't you the person who wants to put kids "through the boards"?
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 26, 2017 10:59:38 GMT
And aren't you the person who wants to put kids "through the boards"? And your point is caller? Legal checks are still allowed aren't they? Can someone be put "through the boards" with a legal check, or are you one of these 'the outcome makes it illegal' folks?
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Post by Walitzer on Oct 26, 2017 11:08:55 GMT
Tommo control his players? Clown can’t even control himself. What I also noticed from the incident was that straight after the Goulakis hit on Fretter, Armstrong skated straight past Goulakis and did nothing. Absolutely nothing. I know his speciality is running netties but surely he could/should have done something? Or perhaps the other Steelers players saw nothing much wrong with the original Goulakos hit As I see it. 1. The original hit was just a 2+10 2, There was no kick,just Goulakos trying to get up. Try laying on your back and getting up quick without at least moving your legs ! 3. Fretter should have got at least 5 games. Just trying to get up? C'mon, you've seen the video, don't be daft... He was kicking out to keep Fretter away while he was downed. I'd say it a fairly reasonable response however considering he'd just been assaulted from behind and Fretter was looking like he wanted to mount a ground and pound... While kicking is a serious offense and I agree he should have got the automatic game ban for it, upgrading it to 3 given the circumstances seems unreasonable.
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Post by Walitzer on Oct 26, 2017 11:15:25 GMT
Or perhaps the other Steelers players saw nothing much wrong with the original Goulakos hit As I see it. 1. The original hit was just a 2+10 2, There was no kick,just Goulakos trying to get up. Try laying on your back and getting up quick without at least moving your legs ! 3. Fretter should have got at least 5 games. And aren't you the person who wants to put kids "through the boards"? What are you trying to say? Don't hit Liam Kirk because he's 17? He can score just the same as any "adult".
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Post by mattscold on Oct 26, 2017 11:36:45 GMT
And aren't you the person who wants to put kids "through the boards"? What are you trying to say? Don't hit Liam Kirk because he's 17? He can score just the same as any "adult". Agreed, if he is playing in a professional (haha) league with adults, they are fair game. I don't expect any player to pull out of a hit thinking 'oh hes only 17 i cant hit him.' If they can't take a hit go back to the juniors.
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 12:06:25 GMT
Or perhaps the other Steelers players saw nothing much wrong with the original Goulakos hit As I see it. 1. The original hit was just a 2+10 2, There was no kick,just Goulakos trying to get up. Try laying on your back and getting up quick without at least moving your legs ! 3. Fretter should have got at least 5 games. And aren't you the person who wants to put kids "through the boards"? If it's a legal hit I would have absolutely no hesitation to put young Kirk through the boards. If he got the puck in front of Panthers net he's not going to say "oh I won't score cos I'm only 17" is he ! If he's out there he's old enough !!
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Oct 26, 2017 12:45:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 12:45:30 GMT
Ultimately the incident wasn't the worst thing to ever happen on ice. It was bad but worse has happened. The issue is that the precedent has now been set, a player can now do worse and defend himself knowing that a cheap hit like Fretter's only got one game.
So many things contributed to that hit and what has followed but when I ask myself the question, has common sense prevailed in the end? Absolutely it has not.
I don't think it's some big conspiracy with Tony Smith being involved and all of that, I think it's just a case that we have a bunch of morons working within DOPS and even bigger morons in all the club owners for not stepping in right now saying that something isn't right here.
I like to see a physical game, I like players who play with an edge but when they go above and beyond what is acceptable they have to be give appropriate and proportionate punishment.
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dp
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Oct 26, 2017 12:51:43 GMT
Post by dp on Oct 26, 2017 12:51:43 GMT
As a couple of people say above, the lack of reaction from the Sheffield bench (which it was right in front of) and the other Sheffield players, tells you that the original hit wasn't that bad.
I can't help but compare it to the Allison on Nieckar incident. And what did he get for that? 14 games??
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Oct 26, 2017 13:02:33 GMT
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Post by nate24 on Oct 26, 2017 13:02:33 GMT
Ultimately the incident wasn't the worst thing to ever happen on ice. It was bad but worse has happened. The issue is that the precedent has now been set, a player can now do worse and defend himself knowing that a cheap hit like Fretter's only got one game. So many things contributed to that hit and what has followed but when I ask myself the question, has common sense prevailed in the end? Absolutely it has not. I don't think it's some big conspiracy with Tony Smith being involved and all of that, I think it's just a case that we have a bunch of morons working within DOPS and even bigger morons in all the club owners for not stepping in right now saying that something isn't right here. I like to see a physical game, I like players who play with an edge but when they go above and beyond what is acceptable they have to be give appropriate and proportionate punishment. You can’t set a precedent when you have no consistency!
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Oct 26, 2017 14:02:07 GMT
Post by doug on Oct 26, 2017 14:02:07 GMT
And aren't you the person who wants to put kids "through the boards"? If it's a legal hit I would have absolutely no hesitation to put young Kirk through the boards. If he got the puck in front of Panthers net he's not going to say "oh I won't score cos I'm only 17" is he ! If he's out there he's old enough !! I'm not saying not to hit him, but "through the boards" implies something beyond that. Sorry for mis-understanding. I am actually for more aggression than we see in this league at present. What I saw on Sunday used to happen every game without all this over reacting. Goulakos should have received 2+10 and Fretter a game for retaliating. That's it. Looks as if the "Snowflake" generation is taking over sadly.
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Oct 26, 2017 14:03:43 GMT
Post by doug on Oct 26, 2017 14:03:43 GMT
As a couple of people say above, the lack of reaction from the Sheffield bench (which it was right in front of) and the other Sheffield players, tells you that the original hit wasn't that bad. I can't help but compare it to the Allison on Nieckar incident. And what did he get for that? 14 games?? Trust me, there was absolutely no comparison with the events in that game!
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Oct 26, 2017 14:12:04 GMT
Post by dp on Oct 26, 2017 14:12:04 GMT
As a couple of people say above, the lack of reaction from the Sheffield bench (which it was right in front of) and the other Sheffield players, tells you that the original hit wasn't that bad. I can't help but compare it to the Allison on Nieckar incident. And what did he get for that? 14 games?? Trust me, there was absolutely no comparison with the events in that game! OK, I’ll trust you. I was there but I’ll trust you over what I saw.
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 14:43:49 GMT
What would Fretter have got if he had casually strolled over behind a Giants player and sucker punched him in the back of the head ? A lot more than one game !
I seem to remember Nieckar doing similar to Paxton Schulte about 15 years ago and it sparked uproar and a big ban. The Giants fans still whine about that one even now !
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Oct 26, 2017 15:16:56 GMT
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Post by pantherdman on Oct 26, 2017 15:16:56 GMT
What a farce. Only one thing Keefe can do, sign a couple of nutters and clear the benches. Green light to jump players from behind if you are seeking retribution. Old school.
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Oct 26, 2017 15:18:08 GMT
Post by doug on Oct 26, 2017 15:18:08 GMT
Trust me, there was absolutely no comparison with the events in that game! OK, I’ll trust you. I was there but I’ll trust you over what I saw. You were at the Steelers/Giants game?
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Oct 26, 2017 15:28:26 GMT
Post by Walitzer on Oct 26, 2017 15:28:26 GMT
If it's a legal hit I would have absolutely no hesitation to put young Kirk through the boards. If he got the puck in front of Panthers net he's not going to say "oh I won't score cos I'm only 17" is he ! If he's out there he's old enough !! I am actually for more aggression than we see in this league at present. What I saw on Sunday used to happen every game without all this over reacting. Goulakos should have received 2+10 and Fretter a game for retaliating. That's it. Looks as if the "Snowflake" generation is taking over sadly. More aggression? This year is already setting records in number of fights, just look at the last few signings that teams have made... What do you want, a bunch of goons playing good old time Hockey or a league that can actually attract talent and compete internationally? Stuff your "Snowflake" comment, no fan wants to remove the physical side of hockey, its part of the sport and culture that we love. But when the league is not doing enough to protect their players from dirty hits and not punishing those who step over the line sufficiently, it is damaging the reputation of the league itself and British Ice Hockey as a whole.
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Oct 26, 2017 15:42:46 GMT
Post by Walitzer on Oct 26, 2017 15:42:46 GMT
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Oct 26, 2017 15:50:35 GMT
Post by doug on Oct 26, 2017 15:50:35 GMT
I am actually for more aggression than we see in this league at present. What I saw on Sunday used to happen every game without all this over reacting. Goulakos should have received 2+10 and Fretter a game for retaliating. That's it. Looks as if the "Snowflake" generation is taking over sadly. More aggression? This year is already setting records in number of fights, just look at the last few signings that teams have made... What do you want, a bunch of goons playing good old time Hockey or a league that can actually attract talent and compete internationally? Stuff your "Snowflake" comment, no fan wants to remove the physical side of hockey, its part of the sport and culture that we love. But when the league is not doing enough to protect their players from dirty hits and not punishing those who step over the line sufficiently, it is damaging the reputation of the league itself and British Ice Hockey as a whole. No, I don't want a bunch of goons. I want hits finishing, mid ice checks and flat out contact hockey. What we get at Sheffield is almost Bambi-like relative to years gone by, and I know it's not only us witnessing the sterilisation of the sport. Watch the famous bench clearance game at your place, skip past the said disgraceful event that took place and enjoy hockey with passion!
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Oct 26, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
Here's a question. If a player this coming weekend does similar to what Fretter did...what ban is he going to get ?
I don't see how they can give him any more than one game.
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