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Post by iginla on Feb 22, 2017 11:57:59 GMT
He said this years is the most expensive roster we've ever had. If that is true,which I don't believe,then he should be asking serious questions as to why that is when looking at the quality of the players we have.
There is a saying though which says "if you buy cheap you buy twice" which if you cut corners in the first place by signing cheap or injured/injury prone players it is going to come back and bite you. He also said,we have more players than we've ever had,but that is partly because he or Corey spent poorly/cheap and he's had to replace some. If his thinking is that he's spent more because of the amount of replacement players he's had to sign,then he's not quite the shrewd business man he's cracked up to be !
What he also conveniently forgets,is that the import level has risen,Brits have diminished and teams are now playing four lines,so of course you are going to need more players. Not just Panthers though,every team now has more players and it was HIS OWN team who instigated the need for more by being the first to implement playing four lines.
I'm afraid he seems badly out of touch and seriously needs to get more involved rather than leaving it to GM and being spoon fed only whatever GM wants him to know. Jeez...... he didn't even seem to know who Brock Wilson was or indeed had ever even heard of the Supporters Trust !!!! 🙄
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 22, 2017 12:36:10 GMT
He doesn't know a lot of what he should. He couldn't even answer the last question of which players are contacted to next years team. All he said was errrrmmmmm hang on let me think. If he as passionate as most fans are he would have been able to reel off those names without a seconds hesitation. Its the actual players we are talking about here. Unless he doesn't want us to know.
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Post by fishman on Feb 22, 2017 12:58:27 GMT
I'm just getting up to speed after returning from deepest darkest Africa, well The Gambia actually but still it's in Africa
From the comments it confirms my thoughts about Mr Black he doesn't know much of what goes on within the club , he's only in it for profit for his sports management company, he's not a hockey fan he's a money fan!!!!!!!
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Post by PantherB on Feb 22, 2017 12:59:51 GMT
Date for the Diary was 7th August as when training camp begins, and Black expects 'All' players 'who want to play for the Panthers' to be here before then.
That gives us just over 5 months to sharpen the pitchforks for the inevitability that half the team faces 'difficulties'. Dimmen better hope he doesn't sign up again, usually finds himself at weddings well into September.
I was quite shocked at his revelation that we spend the most in the league. Our team is light years from that of Cardiff, Sheffield and Belfasts. Our best signings came either in the middle of the season or later on, with Kudroc and Williams, have guys like those in from day 1 and things could've been so much different.
If Corey is on the two year deal others have suggested, I'd be expecting him to bite the bullet if he doesn't win the league next season. Big fan of his but each time the league was mentioned, it was swiftly mentioned by 'incredibly disappointed' and when fans are as angry as most of us are, Black knows something has to change quickly and I think last night made him realise that. He didn't seem comfortable whatsoever for the first 15-20 minutes, but settled down towards the end.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Feb 22, 2017 15:03:38 GMT
Are we really spending more than even our last ISL team? That had I believe five former NHLers in it, including a two time winner in Jim Paek. I guess that was almost fifteen years ago though.
Neil Black is the owner, does he really need to be that familiar with the running of the club? You don't hire a GM and manage the ship yourself.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Feb 22, 2017 15:31:08 GMT
Did anyone see GM the GM last night? - I did not get to the Q&A (to be honest I forgot it was on) - sat behind NB during the game, GM usually comes to speak to him, but did not see him last night - noticed at the end of the game NB appeared to be counting the players and making notes !!!!! - A good game to watch, and a good win
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 15:32:23 GMT
Are we really spending more than even our last ISL team? That had I believe five former NHLers in it, including a two time winner in Jim Paek. I guess that was almost fifteen years ago though. Neil Black is the owner, does he really need to be that familiar with the running of the club? You don't hire a GM and manage the ship yourself. Like I've said thousands of times he needs a hockey man as a GM who makes hockey based decisions . Let's be frank Moran has been with the hockey club for 37 years and still knows jack about the sport!! Black was that much in the dark about the club it was frightening!
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 22, 2017 16:51:36 GMT
Did anyone see GM the GM last night? - I did not get to the Q&A (to be honest I forgot it was on) - sat behind NB during the game, GM usually comes to speak to him, but did not see him last night - noticed at the end of the game NB appeared to be counting the players and making notes !!!!! - A good game to watch, and a good lwin yes he was defiantly there, he was in his usual box
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Post by Yotes on Feb 22, 2017 17:04:06 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Feb 22, 2017 18:58:24 GMT
Having now listened to it, I like some of what Black says. Having the fixed time for the team to arrive by is good, specifically trying to sign players who don't have a known history of injury etc. Obviously have to see how they follow it through but it sounds better.
I don't entirely follow his logic on Neilson, goes to great lengths to point out that the performance on the ice is solely the concern of CN, says repeatedly how disappointing our league campaigns have been, but won't seem to countenance that he may be in anyway to blame (best coach ever). I don't really see the logic he's following.
Also, if we truly are paying head & shoulders above what other teams are paying, then he's getting done.
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Post by spik on Feb 22, 2017 19:02:10 GMT
Are we really spending more than even our last ISL team? That had I believe five former NHLers in it, including a two time winner in Jim Paek. I guess that was almost fifteen years ago though. Neil Black is the owner, does he really need to be that familiar with the running of the club? You don't hire a GM and manage the ship yourself. Like I've said thousands of times he needs a hockey man as a GM who makes hockey based decisions . Let's be frank Moran has been with the hockey club for 37 years and still knows jack about the sport!! Black was that much in the dark about the club it was frightening! From the top of my head Tony Johnston was manager till 92-93 season. GM did commercial duties some time after that and then became Manager thereafter. What as he doing anytime 1980-81 to 92-93?
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Post by spik on Feb 22, 2017 19:05:09 GMT
Having now listened to it, I like some of what Black says. Having the fixed time for the team to arrive by is good, specifically trying to sign players who don't have a known history of injury etc. Obviously have to see how they follow it through but it sounds better. I don't entirely follow his logic on Neilson, goes to great lengths to point out that the performance on the ice is solely the concern of CN, says repeatedly how disappointing our league campaigns have been, but won't seem to countenance that he may be in anyway to blame (best coach ever). I don't really see the logic he's following. Also, if we truly are paying head & shoulders above what other teams are paying, then he's getting done. Quite a few (injury hit) non returnees then and the said players should know that now then.
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Post by iginla on Feb 22, 2017 19:38:48 GMT
The different recruitment policy and stating a date of 7th of August next year for players to get here or they don't get signed was good to hear.
The promise to look at a strength and conditioning coach was very pleasing.
The denial of being behind in club media issues was pretty poor towards acknowledging something obvious.
No webcasts,junior strategy and a virtual dismissal of or waffle about "liking fan passion" of the Supporters Trust was expected.
The disappointing league campaigns and most successful coach argument he made was a load of cobblers,especially trying to compare us to Toronto Maple Leafs.
As for proposing radio game broadcasts instead of webcasts......well totally ridiculous.
And the denial that the Evening post article about him quoting Europe being a priority or the league being most important stuff.....sorry but i just don't believe that.
As for having the most expensive roster ever.....not a chance !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 19:50:14 GMT
The different recruitment policy and stating a date of 7th of August next year for players to get here or they don't get signed was good to hear. The promise to look at a strength and conditioning coach was very pleasing. The denial of being behind in club media issues was pretty poor towards acknowledging something obvious. No webcasts,junior strategy and a virtual dismissal of or waffle about "liking fan passion" of the Supporters Trust was expected. The disappointing league campaigns and most successful coach argument he made was a load of cobblers,especially trying to compare us to Toronto Maple Leafs. As for proposing radio game broadcasts instead of webcasts......well totally ridiculous. And the denial that the Evening post article about him quoting Europe being a priority or the league being most important stuff.....sorry but i just don't believe that. As for having the most expensive roster ever.....not a chance ! I don't even believe the WHOLE roster will be on town by the 7th August you'd have to be fool to believe that ..what different recruitment policy could this be then apart from paying decent dollar for quality players!! Black has too much emphasis on exchange rates for fudges sake
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 22, 2017 19:54:49 GMT
Pathers radio could catch on?
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Post by ggggranville on Feb 22, 2017 20:06:38 GMT
He doesn't know a lot of what he should. He couldn't even answer the last question of which players are contacted to next years team. All he said was errrrmmmmm hang on let me think. If he as passionate as most fans are he would have been able to reel off those names without a seconds hesitation. Its the actual players we are talking about here. Unless he doesn't want us to know. His answer to that question concerned me also. Initially he said all the Brits and with a bit of prompting from the knowledgeable audience he added the second year Loughborough students Brown and Spang. He muffled that there were other top players on second year contracts but let it rest there. Now it can only be one of two things. He hasn't identified the player(s) concerned so that GM can shout from the rooftops (website) that player A-B or C is returning for a further season as the club is close to his heart etc etc. Or the identity of the said players was not released for fear of a chorus of booing and/or season ticket applications to fall like a stone !
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Post by iginla on Feb 22, 2017 20:16:23 GMT
Pathers radio could catch on? With XYNOMIX of course ! 🙄
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Post by fishman on Feb 25, 2017 20:32:12 GMT
Niel Black was on radio Nottingham about 5.50 pm today Being interviewed by Chris Ellis, one thing of interest he said Nielsen was the main man for recruitment
Panthers have spent more than ever on players this season (lord help us), this bunch of players must be the worst since the gran slam season
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 25, 2017 21:15:25 GMT
Niel Black was on radio Nottingham about 5.50 pm today Being interviewed by Chris Ellis, one thing of interest he said Nielsen was the main man for recruitment Panthers have spent more than ever on players this season (lord help us), this bunch of players must be the worst since the gran slam season Perhaps the issue is that, without a traditional GM who both has budgetary responsibilities and assists signing of players, relying on Neilson to spend wisely (a role no NA coach is ever left to do alone) is just too much for him. He seems to spend on any crock that pops up but misses many gems that other teams seem to pick up, even mid-season. Has Neilson the budgetary control of a drunk teenager with an Amex Card in the Victoria Centre?
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2017 21:37:52 GMT
Niel Black was on radio Nottingham about 5.50 pm today Being interviewed by Chris Ellis, one thing of interest he said Nielsen was the main man for recruitment Panthers have spent more than ever on players this season (lord help us), this bunch of players must be the worst since the gran slam season I wouldn't say this team is the worst ever,poor yes,but in my opinion the Mike Berube team was the worst. But if Mr Black expects us to believe that this year is the most expensive roster ever,or that Neilson has TOTAL control over signings then he must think the fans are dumb. Neilson certainly doesn't have sole say on recruitment,not a chance,there are various people involved.......Because left to Corey we would never even have approached Jason Williams never mind signed him !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 25, 2017 22:57:14 GMT
Niel Black was on radio Nottingham about 5.50 pm today Being interviewed by Chris Ellis, one thing of interest he said Nielsen was the main man for recruitment Panthers have spent more than ever on players this season (lord help us), this bunch of players must be the worst since the gran slam season I wouldn't say this team is the worst ever,poor yes,but in my opinion the Mike Berube team was the worst. But if Mr Black expects us to believe that this year is the most expensive roster ever,or that Neilson has TOTAL control over signings then he must think the fans are dumb. Neilson certainly doesn't have sole say on recruitment,not a chance,there are various people involved.......Because left to Corey we would never even have approached Jason Williams never mind signed him ! Perhaps NB was counting the Legend bar bill in his calculations
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Feb 26, 2017 12:45:02 GMT
I wouldn't say this team is the worst ever,poor yes,but in my opinion the Mike Berube team was the worst. But if Mr Black expects us to believe that this year is the most expensive roster ever,or that Neilson has TOTAL control over signings then he must think the fans are dumb. Neilson certainly doesn't have sole say on recruitment,not a chance,there are various people involved.......Because left to Corey we would never even have approached Jason Williams never mind signed him ! Perhaps NB was counting the Legend bar bill in his calculations The only way I can feasibly believe this is the most expensive roster is that Neilson told Lawrence to name his price.... along with bringing over all his mates. Last season we had Kolnik (250 game NHLer) and Myers who weren't really replaced, rather we had cheaper options take their space (Nikiforuk and Betteridge got a bigger role). I can't really see where Quick/MacDonald, Oakford & Swindlehurst have been replaced too... so who got their wages?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 26, 2017 13:17:54 GMT
Perhaps NB was counting the Legend bar bill in his calculations The only way I can feasibly believe this is the most expensive roster is that Neilson told Lawrence to name his price.... along with bringing over all his mates. Last season we had Kolnik (250 game NHLer) and Myers who weren't really replaced, rather we had cheaper options take their space (Nikiforuk and Betteridge got a bigger role). I can't really see where Quick/MacDonald, Oakford & Swindlehurst have been replaced too... so who got their wages? If CN really did build a team around Lawrence then you would have to question his suitability as a coach at all. I have heard this a lot but personally I just can't see it.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 26, 2017 13:24:24 GMT
The whole thing is an absolute pile of crap NB!
So we've got the best coach, biggest budget, best team/players and a great off ice team? Put all that lot together and it's clear to see why we're miles in front at the top of the table and have made the cup final.
Either he thinks the fans are complete mugs or he is being fed the biggest pile of BS by his management team. Or both? Oh but never mind, we've still got the happy clappers on social media who are OK with losing to Sheffield and a mid table finish. As long as the players smile and wave at them or give them a bunch of flowers or talk to them at quiz nights.
Blimey, this club needs a massive boot up the backside.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 26, 2017 13:33:36 GMT
It doesn't really help when the various 'independent' media folks that hang around the Panthers seem more concerned about keeping their access than asking any difficult questions.
Moran has the Nottingham Post in his pocket, their reporter may as well be employed by Neil Black.
The only people who dare to ask the difficult questions (TCW) are the ones with the least access to the team. Tells you all you need to know about how Moran likes to handle the media.
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