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Post by iginla on Sept 25, 2016 23:34:13 GMT
Spot on Lee. It's going to be very difficult to replace him,especially at this stage of the season. In the EPL Brit guys are generally happy playing part time,earning a decent few quid,playing plenty of minutes and also making a living from working full time too. They know that they will always get limited ice time in the EIHL and as a Brit 7th Dman will not get paid anywhere near enough at Panthers to warrant giving up what they've got. I am struggling to think of another EIHL team who has lost more than the odd Brit in the last few years. Where as we have lost Levers,Richardson,Woolhouse,Meyers,Norton,Myers,Boxill,Swindlehurst and Oakford,not to mention two or three other young Brits who seem to have suddenly vanished from view ! Add Josh Ward to that list went off to become an airline pilot . Odd given how much weight Corey places on the Brits and how much energy he invests in their development Now contrast that very long Panthers list with the Brits Steelers have lost. I can only think of......Mark Thomas and Jason Hewitt,both after 10 plus years of playing for Sheffield !
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 25, 2016 23:44:11 GMT
Add Josh Ward to that list went off to become an airline pilot . Odd given how much weight Corey places on the Brits and how much energy he invests in their development Now contrast that very long Panthers list with the Brits Steelers have lost. I can only think of......Mark Thomas and Jason Hewitt,both after 10 plus years of playing for Sheffield ! Ash Tait, Danny Meyers, Aaron Nell, Lee Esders... those are a few others that come to mind - there are undoubtedly more. It's a bit deceptive, though... we seem to ice (yes, and then often wave goodbye to) quite a few more British players than Sheffield.
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Post by NotMartinTuma on Sept 25, 2016 23:52:54 GMT
Now contrast that very long Panthers list with the Brits Steelers have lost. I can only think of......Mark Thomas and Jason Hewitt,both after 10 plus years of playing for Sheffield ! Ash Tait, Danny Meyers, Aaron Nell, Lee Esders... those are a few others that come to mind - there are undoubtedly more. It's a bit deceptive, though... we seem to ice (yes, and then often wave goodbye to) quite a few more British players than Sheffield. Robert Farmer, Matt Haywood, a young whipersnapper called Dan Green, Tom Squires, Warren Tait, Phil Hill.........
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Post by iginla on Sept 26, 2016 0:13:43 GMT
Ash Tait, Danny Meyers, Aaron Nell, Lee Esders... those are a few others that come to mind - there are undoubtedly more. It's a bit deceptive, though... we seem to ice (yes, and then often wave goodbye to) quite a few more British players than Sheffield. Robert Farmer, Matt Haywood, a young whipersnapper called Dan Green, Tom Squires, Warren Tait, Phil Hill......... And a few more ex Panthers....Ash Tait,Marcus Maynard,Tristran Harper,James Cooke,Daniel Scott,James Ferrara,Hutchinson,Josh Ward. The list is flipping endless !
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 26, 2016 0:39:10 GMT
Robert Farmer, Matt Haywood, a young whipersnapper called Dan Green, Tom Squires, Warren Tait, Phil Hill......... And a few more ex Panthers....Ash Tait,Marcus Maynard,Tristran Harper,James Cooke,Daniel Scott,James Ferrara,Hutchinson,Josh Ward. The list is flipping endless ! So basically its not just Panthers... Once again your snap negativity towards Panthers is predictable and not really just. You've taken names as far back as over 10 years. And a lot of those players you'd have moaned weren't good enough even if we'd kept them! On topic: Shame to see him go. However i had no idea he was training to be a teacher. If i had i could have told him there's no way he could do both. My girlfriend did the training a couple of years ago and the workload is insane. He'll probably struggle to do a EPL team and teacher training.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 5:25:06 GMT
Half those names Iggy were utter gash who would never make it anyway. Yet again more popping at the panthers when it's Oakfords decision to move on.
Tbh we will be alright with 6 d men. Lindhagen is excellent there. Oakford at a guess would have been icing roughly 10 mins tops a night. It's not much to cover. Not worried in the slightest
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 26, 2016 6:28:55 GMT
Pretty sure that this is something that CN would have known about for quite a while and knowing CN he would have told Oakford to go for it and wished him all the best.
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 26, 2016 6:57:53 GMT
Poor from Oakford.
No blame towards the club from me but I'm not happy with the individual.
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Post by iginla on Sept 26, 2016 9:31:02 GMT
Half those names Iggy were utter gash who would never make it anyway. Yet again more popping at the panthers when it's Oakfords decision to move on. Tbh we will be alright with 6 d men. Lindhagen is excellent there. Oakford at a guess would have been icing roughly 10 mins tops a night. It's not much to cover. Not worried in the slightest People can see it how they like Pidge.....but I thought I was supporting a "professional" sports team,not a team of come day go day guys who do as they wish once they'd signed a contract. You seem fine with the idea that your team gets weaker and weaker,that's your choice,don't expect me to be. Yes Lindhagen can play D,but remember that's a forward you've lost unless he can play two positions at the same time. You criticise me for being negative,I just want to win,but losing two Brits from last years team doesn't seem to me to be the right way way of achieving that ! I guess you would still be happy if today Clarkey and Farmer ripped up their contracts too would you
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Post by Pies on Sept 26, 2016 9:39:45 GMT
lindhagen has been playing d all weekend so there is no issue with moving him because it happened a while ago
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 9:46:29 GMT
Half those names Iggy were utter gash who would never make it anyway. Yet again more popping at the panthers when it's Oakfords decision to move on. Tbh we will be alright with 6 d men. Lindhagen is excellent there. Oakford at a guess would have been icing roughly 10 mins tops a night. It's not much to cover. Not worried in the slightest People can see it how they like Pidge.....but I thought I was supporting a "professional" sports team,not a team of come day go day guys who do as they wish once they'd signed a contract. You seem fine with the idea that your team gets weaker and weaker,that's your choice,don't expect me to be. Yes Lindhagen can play D,but remember that's a forward you've lost unless he can play two positions at the same time. You criticise me for being negative,I just want to win,but losing two Brits from last years team doesn't seem to me to be the right way way of achieving that ! I guess you would still be happy if today Clarkey and Farmer ripped up their contracts too would you This is all hypothetical.. this isn't about Clarke and Farmer is it. You are talking about a brit who ices 8-10 mins a night tops, think about that. In the summer you critisied panthers brit core (including Oakford) when you compared them to she fields duo of Dowd and O connor. Now make your mind up. Besides every fan wants to win but that means being realistic at the same time . If Oakford isn't committed 100% to panthers it's bye bye. Simples
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 26, 2016 9:57:20 GMT
Poor from Oakford. No blame towards the club from me but I'm not happy with the individual. This. Oakford knew what he was signing up for and his leaving now means we with very few options to bring in a replacement as all the Brits are signed up.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 26, 2016 11:04:05 GMT
Lee is the key because WHEN he plays well he is our best Brit D by a long way. I could only see Oakford going the same way as Norton anyway at some point and when we are at full strength he was only going to get a few minutes ice time. Now Swindlehurst was a far bigger loss in my mind.
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Post by PantherB on Sept 26, 2016 11:17:08 GMT
Oakford is 7th D, probably the lowest paid besides Green. Teaching will earn him more and have him set for the rest of his working life. It's the right decision for his future but perhaps too early, that's only something he can know for sure though. It wouldn't be much good retiring from hockey at 35 with a battered worn out body and then try to teach PE.
He's one of the nicer guys, very smart and mature. This won't have been taken as a 'oh I could be a teacher, let's quit the team and be a teacher' clearly it's been in the offing for a while and it's gotten to the point where doing both isn't manageable. What do you choose? The path to set up the career which will take you to retirement, great pay and time off.. Or stick with a not brilliantly paid sport which will likely see him thrown from the team when he gets to about 30-31 (4-5 years away) a constant uncertainty regarding future.
I know which I'd choose.
He will be missed but getting Lee back will essentially have us somewhat covered, 6 D like most others, 7th D is a boost but not a absolute requirement. I'm not worried, disappointed but not angry or worried
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Post by Shorty on Sept 26, 2016 11:25:41 GMT
Iginla, do you offer your staff more money every time they suggest they are leaving, as that seems to be what your preach on here. You must have one of the best paid group of employees with no turnover what so ever.
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Post by BigLad on Sept 26, 2016 11:40:31 GMT
All the best to Oakford. Improved all the time he was with us and will be a loss.
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Post by iginla on Sept 26, 2016 11:44:22 GMT
Oakford is 7th D, probably the lowest paid besides Green. Teaching will earn him more and have him set for the rest of his working life. It's the right decision for his future but perhaps too early, that's only something he can know for sure though. It wouldn't be much good retiring from hockey at 35 with a battered worn out body and then try to teach PE. He's one of the nicer guys, very smart and mature. This won't have been taken as a 'oh I could be a teacher, let's quit the team and be a teacher' clearly it's been in the offing for a while and it's gotten to the point where doing both isn't manageable. What do you choose? The path to set up the career which will take you to retirement, great pay and time off.. Or stick with a not brilliantly paid sport which will likely see him thrown from the team when he gets to about 30-31 (4-5 years away) a constant uncertainty regarding future. I know which I'd choose. He will be missed but getting Lee back will essentially have us somewhat covered, 6 D like most others, 7th D is a boost but not a absolute requirement. I'm not worried, disappointed but not angry or worried Nobody is saying he shouldn't have gone to be a teacher,yes he was probably on a paltry £200 -£300 a week at Panthers. The problem I have is the timing of it....yet again. This is supposedly professional sport,if imports can commit to doing degrees then I don't see a massive difference. If as you say he's that smart,then why didn't he do his research into his teaching thing a lot earlier rather than starting the season then leaving us short. We are allowed 22 players,we should have 22 players,not 20 or 19 or 18.....but 22 ! Yes Lindhagen can play D,but who was it who started this whole 4 line thing.....Panthers. And who is now spouting about other teams rolling 4 lines at us when we are struggling to do it.....Panthers (Corey). Lose any more players or get some injuries and with injury prone Lee,Schultz and Wiikman on the team it will be Groundhog Day again before we know it !
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Post by iginla on Sept 26, 2016 11:55:04 GMT
Iginla, do you offer your staff more money every time they suggest they are leaving, as that seems to be what your preach on here. You must have one of the best paid group of employees with no turnover what so ever. I pay my guys very well in the first place,they don't ask for more. If they did and I felt they were worth it then I would pay it if I needed to keep them,if not I would replace them. It's easy for me though,I have a huge pool of labour I could cherry pick from tomorrow,Panthers do not have that luxury,theirs is a very small pond. Somebody at Panthers must have known what Oakford was up to with this teaching before this season started. If its that hard,why did somebody not say to him.....hang on a minute mate,can you really do both these together ? It's not just losing Oakford,it's Matt Myers too,with a dodgy Lee as well,before long guys are playing more minutes and well.....you know what comes next !
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Post by pantherlee on Sept 26, 2016 11:55:07 GMT
clearly it's been in the offing for a while and it's gotten to the point where doing both isn't manageable. Its only three weeks into the season!!! He should never have committed in the first place and we could have got a replacement
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Post by Peacock on Sept 26, 2016 12:11:50 GMT
Oakford knew what he was signing up for... No, he didn't. That's the whole point. It's literally in the press release... '...he revealed his studies are more demanding than expected'
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 26, 2016 12:15:09 GMT
Oakford knew what he was signing up for... No, he didn't. That's the whole point. It's literally in the press release... '...he revealed his studies are more demanding than expected' ?
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Post by Peacock on Sept 26, 2016 12:19:31 GMT
You state he knew what he was signing up for.
He clearly states what he signed up for isn't what he was expecting.
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 26, 2016 12:23:34 GMT
You state he knew what he was signing up for. He clearly states what he signed up for isn't what he was expecting. You've actually taken my comment and attributed it to FTM. As a reply, he did know what he was signing up for. He signed up to a teaching program (and they'd have told him the workload) and he signed up with the Panthers (again he knows the workload). He probably felt like he could balance them but his error of judgement looks to have hurt the Panthers unfortunately. I don't blame him for prioritising his Post-hockey career, but that he's left us up a creek.
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Post by Peacock on Sept 26, 2016 12:32:26 GMT
Never could 'quote' properly, apologies FTM.
I still don't agree with you though.
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Post by iginla on Sept 26, 2016 12:38:34 GMT
You state he knew what he was signing up for. He clearly states what he signed up for isn't what he was expecting. And as we know,of course Panthers press releases are always true aren't they ? He better smarten up his ideas at teaching school......or he's going to be late handing his homework in !
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