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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jan 28, 2007 11:55:54 GMT
if a player fired the puck at our nettys head in one of my games, he'd know about it for sure, whoever was the toughest on the line would be strait after him but to shoot at the nettys pads he'd get a shove and a few chosen words, what Payette did made me feel sick, was totally out of order and i was hoping he only got a 10 min pen so we could see Shmyr go after him. fair play to Neilson for trying to get to Payette to get him off Mac though. Mac could have been seriously injured, im going up to Newcastle for our last meeting and would love nothing more than to see Shmyr injure Payette, im a player myself (roller) and i have never said or thought that about any other player and im sorry if anyone takes offence by that. it was so obvious that hardly anyone heard the whistle, i jumped up thinking it was a goal and the red light was on.
Shmyr i think should have put Cornish on his arse again, yes i see why he didnt and i know hes got nothing to proe but to have him skating around our barn intimidating our players is not on and i hate seeing it, hence why i stayed away last season. well done to Neilson, the bloke can handle himself make no mistake, ive seen some fightclips of him and he can throw em, part of me was thinking go on deck him but looking back got alot of respect for the bloke as it must have been tough ignoring him like that.
ZF, i know you rate Cornish but he was only champ last season because we didnt have such tough guys in the league, throw Shmyr, Gomez and Clouthier into the mix and you see what happens, the big fellas on his arse. hes a fairly tough fella but overall hes an average fighter and an average at best player, he wouldnt have lasted five minutes against some of our tough guys in the past, Craighead, Norris, Nieckar etc
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jan 28, 2007 11:58:34 GMT
as much as id like to see Shmyr smash Cornish again hes got no reason, Payettes going to be the one that gets it, i can almost promise you that, hey whats it like to see your top heavy get put on his ass three times in a season in your own barn, sorry its just never happened to one of our lot Nick
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 12:38:48 GMT
you are all so mature with these comments. as for payette being scared to fight shmry, i dont think so, you whole team is scared of him.
And as for thoes comments by 88panthers fan, i think they're out of order bout newcastle, lighten up we do it how we like it in our arena and as for you critisising geordies and our city, i think you want to consider the gun laiden city you live in hypocrit (and steriotyper)
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Post by thedurhamwasp on Jan 28, 2007 12:39:10 GMT
I have to say, as a season ticket holder in Block 4 that the Vipers fans were horrible. When Meyers got blood they booed him off the ice, class act "fans" They were abusive to anything "non-Vipers", when no-one in block 4 bit they turned their attentions to the Wild Cats had to put up with abuse not just from kids but also from grown men AND women, they were chanting "Do you take it up the a**e" They are foul mouthed, drunken football fans who can't get a ticket for St James' park. We had to tolerate shouts of Wan**rs throughout the game. Banter is banter, but the stewards need to be close to these "fans" and eject one or two, or don't let them in when they are drunk. I've been to Vipers away once and vowed never to go again due to the foul mouthed louts who attend the Metro, egged on by the brainless announcer winding them up with quips like, "can we hear any noise form the Nottingham pussycats". Stay away, we don't need you. We beat their smothering dirty tactics with good honest hockey, how Corey kept his temper when the buffoon that is Cornish pushed him in the face god only knows, that would have been a step too far for me and he would have been on a hospital trolley. Well done Panthers on another good solid win against the Muppet show from the North East. Goodbye Geordies, I hope the trip back on the team (12 seater) minibus wasn't too comfortable. Alright, Before I start, I dont want to turn this into an arguement or slagging match. I think that post generalises the whole of the Vipers fan base which travelled down to Nottingham Yesterday. I myself, know a lot of Panthers fans and vice versa, and I cannot understand how I have been marked with some of the others you have described - And I dislike football and dont drink much However, I do know some of the people your targetting. In my eyes, what I saw was two lads sitting in Block 4 one Blonde one, and one in a Red England top. The two groups where having a go at time to time and getting a bit OTT shall we say. The Vipers lot where a tipsy after a session but infairness its all good banter between the fans I mean I doubt many fans would take it that far anyway. I do know what you mean by some abusive language however, and I wasnt that pleased with a few peoples manors in when the game was taking place. There was a little kid (Viper fan) with his Mam and Dad sitting one row back and I especially didnt agree he should be subject to that sort of language. I can remember that game against the Panther up at the Metro Arena, the reason why that happens is because they need to get the atmosphere going in the place - its like a morgue! It is cheap, but I think as travelling fans we should treat it as a bit of banter. The game itself was alright I suppose, I quite enjoyed it although the tiredness before and after the game was Immense! And the trip didnt help! I suppose it was just Payette been his normal goonish self, you guys must hate him with a passion now! No doubt we'll see a good bout next time the teams meet. Just to finsh my "life story" post, I'd like to say thanks to the Wildcats for the Card, and Ted, Cat, Grace (Merci for presents!) and everyone else I saw for making it na enjoyable day.
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Post by matt44 on Jan 28, 2007 12:39:16 GMT
I didnt think Cornish was intimidating our guys. They were just like "yeah, whatever". Now they know we have Ryan to look out for them they will just ignore Cornish.
He's out of his depth now and desperately trying to claw some respect back but everyone knows he's beatable and just a goon.
To say he's an average player is doing him justice!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 12:39:44 GMT
The thing that pleased me most last night was the character we showed in coming back after an awful 2nd period. As Mark said earlier in the thread, we would have lost that game before Xmas.
As for Payette, the guy must have a screw loose! I'm all for fighting in hockey, but cowardly attacks from behind are not on, plus attacking the nearest player as you skate off!! I'd like to think a long ban was coming his way, but knowing the gutless lot in charge of discipline I seriously doubt it!
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jan 28, 2007 13:05:22 GMT
matt and Rich, spot on. what makes me laugh is when Nieckar hit Schulte from behind in Belfast he got quite a long ban, this was when he was trying to pull Schulte away from Taubert, yet what Payette did imo was a hell of alot worse and he'll get diddly sqwat for it. Ahlroos, Simoes, Mac, this player needs sorting out. i think next season if the import levels are the same it wouldnt be a bad idea to try and get hold of a Craighead/Norris type player, good players but if it kicked off they were heavies you could count on, Shmyr is a damn good enforcer but against a Vipers/Racers team sometimes hes a bit outnumbered when they start to play dirty and cheap like last night.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Jan 28, 2007 13:41:37 GMT
I do know what you mean by some abusive language however, and I wasnt that pleased with a few peoples manors in when the game was taking place. There was a little kid (Viper fan) with his Mam and Dad sitting one row back and I especially didnt agree he should be subject to that sort of language. I can remember that game against the Panther up at the Metro Arena, the reason why that happens is because they need to get the atmosphere going in the place - its like a morgue! It is cheap, but I think as travelling fans we should treat it as a bit of banter. [/quote] Waspy, we have had all this before, Viper fans abusing Panther/away fans at your place. Your announcer trying to get the atmosphere going calling Panthers fans pussy cats. But when our announcer does the same, some of your guys have a mardy and complained, and the announcer had to apologise to your fans. I saw the two sets of fans chanting at each other from where I sit, along with the lady who stood up for most of the match just waving a yellow scarf over her head, what's that all about. It's nice to have travelling fans at matches, but we are fortunate that the fan base is high, we can afford for some away fans not to turn up, unlike some other teams who rely on the financial aspect of away fans. Unless this problem is resolved, I feel some teams will not continue at this level.
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Post by lps on Jan 28, 2007 13:47:03 GMT
As already stated before, it was obvious that Payette was looking for trouble last night when he cross checked Shmyr from behind in the warm-up. He was lucky that Wilson was close at hand to stop them going then. Can anyone explain why Payette didn't get a Match penalty, as I thought 2 game pens automatically made a match. I thought I was hearing things when announced, but it is now on the Elite website that Payette got 5+game for xchecking AND a further game misconduct. I understand that game penalty means you simply miss the rest of that game, but to get 2 game penaltys has to make a Match? Onto the game, once we went ahead in the first, I thought we would be OK. We simply seemed to let Vipers come out in the second and let them play. Once they got ahead, they simply blocked their defensive blue line and stiffled the play. I knew once we equalised in the third, Vipers would have to come out looking for a goal, thus allowing us the space in behind to get the winner. A good tense game with a bit of everything. Well done Panthers.
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Post by YorkshirePanther on Jan 28, 2007 14:32:43 GMT
Waspy, we have had all this before, Viper fans abusing Panther/away fans at your place. Your announcer trying to get the atmosphere going calling Panthers fans pussy cats. But when our announcer does the same, some of your guys have a mardy and complained, and the announcer had to apologise to your fans. I saw the two sets of fans chanting at each other from where I sit, along with the lady who stood up for most of the match just waving a yellow scarf over her head, what's that all about. It's nice to have travelling fans at matches, but we are fortunate that the fan base is high, we can afford for some away fans not to turn up, unlike some other teams who rely on the financial aspect of away fans. The incident at the NIC was hardly the same thing. I have been to many more Vipers games this season than Panthers games and the announcer at the MRA has spirit, he gets the crowd doing (well, he tries). What does the guy at the NIC do? Not a lot. As mentioned in previous posts, there is a place for banter and that's what it is. How is calling someone a pussycat an insult? The MRA announcer got a good rapport going with the Steelers fans the week before last and the last Panthers game there was a good laugh. And as for the woman with the yellow scarf, it was maybe a yellow duster - when the Vipers score the fans wave yellow dusters over their heads. It's called fun, entering into the spirit. Durham Wasp - hope you wore your new shirt
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Post by YorkshirePanther on Jan 28, 2007 14:43:02 GMT
Well done Panthers on another good solid win against the Muppet show from the North East. Goodbye Geordies, I hope the trip back on the team (12 seater) minibus wasn't too comfortable. Now who's the class act? Imbecile.
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Post by Carnell on Jan 28, 2007 15:01:29 GMT
just saw the photos on dave page site, some really good ones.... and they were uploaded very fast!
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Post by fluffyfred on Jan 28, 2007 15:13:39 GMT
All this sniping at each other is pathetic. Stuff what the fans of both teams think about each other. We're supposed to be discussing the game, not having a slanging match about which fans are the worst.
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Post by BJ on Jan 28, 2007 15:26:02 GMT
im going up to Newcastle for our last meeting and would love nothing more than to see Shmyr injure Payette Well that just brings you down to (or lower than) his level don't it?
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Post by matt44 on Jan 28, 2007 15:29:30 GMT
Ahh just because you are now a Viper BJ!
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Post by oldman on Jan 28, 2007 15:34:53 GMT
you are all so mature with these comments. as for payette being scared to fight shmry, i dont think so, you whole team is scared of him. And as for thoes comments by 88panthers fan, i think they're out of order bout newcastle, lighten up we do it how we like it in our arena and as for you critisising geordies and our city, i think you want to consider the gun laiden city you live in hypocrit (and steriotyper) look 88 was out of order so if you disaprove why reply in the same manner, whenever you vipers fans get on any forum the majority of you are so aggresive a bit like your team why! We do try to maintain a family atmosphere at the nic so if there was all this bad language the stewards should remove them if they were doing their job.
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Post by matt44 on Jan 28, 2007 15:39:05 GMT
Another thing I was wondering:
When Andre launched himself at our bench, Longstaff and 2 other dropped their gloves infront of the Penalty Boxes and skated over. I dont think they fought anyone but surely you get penalties for dropping the gloves?
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 28, 2007 15:54:36 GMT
Childish barely-literate abusive comments aside (which aren't needed, are they?) I think that this 'abusive fans' thing should not be swept under the carpet, which appears to be what some people are trying to do.
Let's be clear - every team, every fanbase, every building has its share of muppets who go too far. We in Nottingham are by no means innocent in this regard. There have been attempts to reduce it here, and they seem to have been largely successful.
Let's also be clear on one other thing... there are plenty of Vipers fans who do not deserve any criticism on this matter. Many of us know some of them, and they're just the same as thee and me.
But there can be no doubt - there is a culture of abuse in that fanbase which is more intense and more persistent than in most others. We hear it time and time again - up at Newcastle and down here. And we are not the only fans to suffer from it or comment upon it. Yelling sexual abuse at young teenage girls, for example, is so far beyond the pale that it's off the scale.
Something needs to be done. We can't do it... it has to be Newcastle themselves that get it sorted., And the first step in solving the problem is in admitting that the problem exists.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 28, 2007 16:22:14 GMT
As for the game itself... not a Truly Great (TM) performance from the Panthers, but one that does have a few positives.
The first period, we weren't too bad at all. Not great, perhaps, but pretty reasonable. Plenty of good, hard skating... camping out in the Vipers' zone - only the 'trap. block, ice-the-puck, goon' tactics of the Vipers kept the scoreline to 1-0.
Payette? Moron. Cheap-shotting, out-of-control, backstabbing moron. The Vipers only had 12 outskaters to start with - to leave them short-handed like that just goes to show that he has no control, no team spirit and very little in the way of brains. The word "liability" doesn't even begin to cover it.
Thing is - he's not the only one. It certainly appeared that Wilson benched Cornish for about half a period, and he certainly had to restrain Mihalik who was also winding himself up to doing something stupid. That Newcastle team really have an attitude problem, don't they? Not surprising, really... not with Wilson recruiting and coaching them... and now being hoist by his own petard. No sympathy from me...
The second period was poor from the Panthers. Newcastle tried to (partly) change their tactics, and we looked to be starting to drop back into the disorganised funk that has all too often characterised this team when things start going against us. That's not good at all.
HOWEVER - the third period gave indication of hope... as the team got their heads together and rallied. Not perfectly, perhaps - but they got back on track, got back to the plan and got on with it... and it worked. That's much more hopeful.
And the end-of-game celebrations... the players themselves appear to be getting into it a lot more, which bodes well on the team spirit front. It's too early to be certain, of course... but the signs are good.
BTW - anyone else notice Aubry's persistent delaying tactics? I mean - all teams do it to some extent or another, bending the rules at times... but Wilson's lot always seem to do so more. No doubt he was trying to ive as much rest to his short-handed team's legs as he could, but really... enough 'wardrobe malfunctions' to fill a dozen Superbowl half-time shows, and the classic "sorry ref, I've got to skate all the way to my bench to get a drink, I haven't got a waterbottle on the top of my net." Dearie, dearie me....
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Post by Ovechkin8 on Jan 28, 2007 16:29:00 GMT
yas for payette being scared to fight shmry, i dont think so, you whole team is scared of him. Get real!!!!! Why would panthers players be scared of him specially as shmyr has already beaten him up!!!!To be honest Payette is pathetic jumping Mac like that!!!! Could off easily put him out for the rest of the season and its a good job Mr Shmyr was not on the ice when it happened because i think Andre would be feeling the affects now!!!!!!
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Jan 28, 2007 16:29:44 GMT
matt and Rich, spot on. what makes me laugh is when Nieckar hit Schulte from behind in Belfast he got quite a long ban, this was when he was trying to pull Schulte away from Taubert, yet what Payette did imo was a hell of alot worse Barry whipped off his shirt and shoulder pads and then started throwing bombs into the back of Schultes head. He didn't try and pull him off just sucker him a few times. I think that was far worse than a simple jumping like what Andre did last night. I love Nieckar but he is 1 of the cheapest players to ever play in this country. If you ever spoke to another tough guy in the league they had no respect for him. I trhink his willingness to suckerpunch and elbow everybody was 1 of the reasons I loved him so much though ;D ZF, i know you rate Cornish but he was only champ last season because we didnt have such tough guys in the league, throw Shmyr, Gomez and Clouthier into the mix and you see what happens, the big fellas on his arse. Corny was beating Shmyr hands down untill Ryan landed that bomb. It only takes 1 punch to put a guy down whoever he is. Round 1 v Gomez same story. Corny was more than holding his own and then he caught 1. Round 2 should of never happened because of the concussion Corny had after the round 1. Gomez unloaded on Corny when he was down on his knees. Never a fair loss and his fight with Clouthier Corny is the only player in the league who has put him in any danger. If you have seen the fight the 2nd punch that Corny throws buckles Clouthiers legs and then they fight for a minute and half to a solid draw. If you have to give a edge to anybody then it has to go to Corny on the quality of punches landed. The only real series of punches Clouthier lands is 5 in a row and then Corny turns and smiles to the crowd. Corny fights a very entertaining open toe to toe style which leaves him open to punches. He's going to take a few with that style.
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Post by oldman on Jan 28, 2007 16:39:54 GMT
matt and Rich, spot on. what makes me laugh is when Nieckar hit Schulte from behind in Belfast he got quite a long ban, this was when he was trying to pull Schulte away from Taubert, yet what Payette did imo was a hell of alot worse Barry whipped off his shirt and shoulder pads and then started throwing bombs into the back of Schultes head. He didn't try and pull him off just sucker him a few times. I think that was far worse than a simple jumping like what Andre did last night. I love Nieckar but he is 1 of the cheapest players to ever play in this country. If you ever spoke to another tough guy in the league they had no respect for him. I trhink his willingness to suckerpunch and elbow everybody was 1 of the reasons I loved him so much though ;D ZF, i know you rate Cornish but he was only champ last season because we didnt have such tough guys in the league, throw Shmyr, Gomez and Clouthier into the mix and you see what happens, the big fellas on his arse. Corny was beating Shmyr hands down untill Ryan landed that bomb. It only takes 1 punch to put a guy down whoever he is. Round 1 v Gomez same story. Corny was more than holding his own and then he caught 1. Round 2 should of never happened because of the concussion Corny had after the round 1. Gomez unloaded on Corny when he was down on his knees. Never a fair loss and his fight with Clouthier Corny is the only player in the league who has put him in any danger. If you have seen the fight the 2nd punch that Corny throws buckles Clouthiers legs and then they fight for a minute and half to a solid draw. If you have to give a edge to anybody then it has to go to Corny on the quality of punches landed. The only real series of punches Clouthier lands is 5 in a row and then Corny turns and smiles to the crowd. Corny fights a very entertaining open toe to toe style which leaves him open to punches. He's going to take a few with that style. just an idea ever thought of watching boxing or those muscle bound amarican clowns as said before would not want a hockey game to get in the way of your fighting on ice.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jan 28, 2007 17:31:16 GMT
and i wouldnt want you to get in the way of our decent debate, an thanks but i box and play hockey, but cheers for the suggestion.
yeah but what that proves is Cornish is very vulnerable to a good solid punch, hence knocking him well down the order, like you say Clouthier was rocked by a good one from Cornish but he kept fighting yet Cornish was rocked and fell on his ass, three times. lets be honest with each other because i know a fair bit about playing hockey as i think you do and if Cornish was in that bad a state after gettin tko'd in the first fight with Gomez he wouldnt have been allowed back on the ice, Cornish is tough i dont doubt it, but is not one of the top three from this year and is nowhere near the top 20 from even the last seven seasons, i just dont think hes got the chin for it. as you said he fights a very open style but maybe he should consider it now after some of his results, i like the bloke simply because hes trying so hard to improve but hes not the champ by far this season.
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Post by heja on Jan 28, 2007 17:35:45 GMT
can ijust ask oldman, whatwas then most entertain bit of last nights match.
with out doubt it got to of been the payette incident, thenoise in the arena at that time would prove that.
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Post by oldman on Jan 28, 2007 17:41:19 GMT
yes but same thing happens in a school playground doesnt make it entertaining, just shocking
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