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Post by Pies on Jan 28, 2016 7:50:43 GMT
Having read some tweets on the Steelers Twitter, it appears we are playing their home leg at ice Sheffield and this was caused by "the obstructiveness of our opponents" IE us we have made it clear we want the second leg at home it appears which I am every happy about!
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Post by Shorty on Jan 28, 2016 7:56:24 GMT
The highest rank team in the group stages have preference over which way round the legs are played, so I doubt this is the case.
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Post by Pies on Jan 28, 2016 8:03:28 GMT
It's been confirmed because we were drawn out of the plastic bag first, we got home advantage.
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Post by Shorty on Jan 28, 2016 8:17:57 GMT
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Post by Pies on Jan 28, 2016 8:22:32 GMT
Shush don't show them that
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 28, 2016 8:51:55 GMT
Simmsey is being pretty vocal in how wrong the panthers management are in this situation. But he's not sharing any details for us to make our own minds up.
If he wants to act professional and keep the details to himself he should continue that professionalism over to his opinions.
There's certainly 2 sides to this and I'll be very surprised if we hear just 1 of those. So we'll just have to make our opinions from the steelers official tweets on the matter.
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Post by simonev73 on Jan 28, 2016 9:11:10 GMT
as I see it you guys had the choice of the second leg which you have taken rightly so what the steelers are moaning about is that if you give us the 2nd leg we could play at the arena seeing as your only date is the 24th Feb so we have to play before that. What we are saying is in the past we have given up 2nd leg home advantage to help you out on your ice availability and now the shoe is on the other foot you won't repay the favour. How simmsey has gone about it on the official twitter is wrong and yes you have the right to say no but a favour deserves a favour surely. I think personally you are right to not give your advantage up I also think we shouldn't have in the past but that's gone now and we need to get on with it and in the future not ask each other for an favours. I can't see you getting any tickets mind you for the 1st leg now it's at sheff
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Post by johnbluebeam on Jan 28, 2016 9:23:24 GMT
From the EIHL OS.
Semi-finals are played over two legs, with an aggregate scoreline to decide the winner. If the aggregate score is level after the second leg, games will go to overtime and a penalty shootout if needed. The highest-ranked team from the group stages will get the choice of if they want to play the first leg at home or away.
The last line surely means the statement we were out the bag first, is irrevelant.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 28, 2016 9:24:56 GMT
Simmsey is being pretty vocal in how wrong the panthers management are in this situation. But he's not sharing any details for us to make our own minds up. Here is some information to assist. The NIC Ice ScheduleAs much as we (and obviously some Steelers fans/team staff) would want the primary focus of the arena to be ice hockey, it isn't. Funding for the building of the arena came, in part, off the back of figure and speed skating and the NIC is contractually obliged to provide them ice time. Alongside that they have to provide arena time for the bands etc whose performances actually pay the bills. It's easy for fans and staff members of a team that has two venues to play out of to whinge, when they have such an advantage other teams don't have.
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 28, 2016 9:32:36 GMT
Thanks for the lesson in who else uses the arena. Total eye opener.
My point was that Simmsey is not stating how he believes panthers are wrong. He's just stating that they are. If I accuse someone of being in the wrong I like to have an example to back up my claim.
I'd like him to say panthers are in the the wrong because they've done X, Y and Z. Then follow up with they should've done X, Y and Z. Then Panthers to do the same.
But the most preferred option would be for both clubs to say absolutely nothing at all.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 28, 2016 9:48:41 GMT
Simmsey is being pretty vocal in how wrong the panthers management are in this situation. But he's not sharing any details for us to make our own minds up. Here is some information to assist. The NIC Ice ScheduleAs much as we (and obviously some Steelers fans/team staff) would want the primary focus of the arena to be ice hockey, it isn't. Funding for the building of the arena came, in part, off the back of figure and speed skating and the NIC is contractually obliged to provide them ice time. Alongside that they have to provide arena time for the bands etc whose performances actually pay the bills. It's easy for fans and staff members of a team that has two venues to play out of to whinge, when they have such an advantage other teams don't have. What you say is 100% right, it's also true of the Sheffield Arena too. The rules are quite clear on the EIHL website though. I'm sure Ice Sheffield would have allowed you to book it for the first leg if required.... Being serious though, it's a complete mess and some of our rantings this morning made me cringe a little.
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Post by EMB on Jan 28, 2016 10:17:12 GMT
Mozzy, I can't see what's on at the arena as some of the things here at my work are blocked but looking at the main website the Tuesday night is free could you enlighten please. What I can't understand is tho' (& excuse me if its already on here somewhere) the dates were released last night by both parties? but surely if Panthers announced this they would already have had the agreement of dates between the two clubs, you just cant release dates without first finding out that your apponents can use that date.
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2016 10:18:29 GMT
as I see it you guys had the choice of the second leg which you have taken rightly so what the steelers are moaning about is that if you give us the 2nd leg we could play at the arena seeing as your only date is the 24th Feb so we have to play before that. What we are saying is in the past we have given up 2nd leg home advantage to help you out on your ice availability and now the shoe is on the other foot you won't repay the favour. How simmsey has gone about it on the official twitter is wrong and yes you have the right to say no but a favour deserves a favour surely. I think personally you are right to not give your advantage up I also think we shouldn't have in the past but that's gone now and we need to get on with it and in the future not ask each other for an favours. I can't see you getting any tickets mind you for the 1st leg now it's at sheff You're asking us to give ourselves a competitive disadvantage because Sheffield don't have arena availability. Simms should deal with it quietly without doing this public squawking and throwing his dummy out of the pram.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 28, 2016 10:50:06 GMT
Because simms will take any opportunity to get his rant in public, regardless of whether it is correct, true or legal in some cases; but duelling banjo lovers lap it up.
To take offence at what he does is like wrestling a pig in doodoo, after a while you realise that the pig is enjoying it.
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Post by titch on Jan 28, 2016 11:25:11 GMT
as I see it you guys had the choice of the second leg which you have taken rightly so what the steelers are moaning about is that if you give us the 2nd leg we could play at the arena seeing as your only date is the 24th Feb so we have to play before that. What we are saying is in the past we have given up 2nd leg home advantage to help you out on your ice availability and now the shoe is on the other foot you won't repay the favour. How simmsey has gone about it on the official twitter is wrong and yes you have the right to say no but a favour deserves a favour surely. I think personally you are right to not give your advantage up I also think we shouldn't have in the past but that's gone now and we need to get on with it and in the future not ask each other for an favours. I can't see you getting any tickets mind you for the 1st leg now it's at sheff How about doing us a favour and getting your cheating team/management/officials/arena to stop pretending like you've scored a goal when it hasn't crossed the line and stealing 2 points off us? It's barely an advantage these days regardless of which ice you play on, just ask Braehead last night. But seriously, with everything that has happened in the last few weeks, we NEED to take every bit of advantage/luck we can get and can't afford to be giving it to a classless, unprofessional organisation such as the Squeelers, really.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 28, 2016 11:37:24 GMT
as I see it you guys had the choice of the second leg which you have taken rightly so what the steelers are moaning about is that if you give us the 2nd leg we could play at the arena seeing as your only date is the 24th Feb so we have to play before that. What we are saying is in the past we have given up 2nd leg home advantage to help you out on your ice availability and now the shoe is on the other foot you won't repay the favour. How simmsey has gone about it on the official twitter is wrong and yes you have the right to say no but a favour deserves a favour surely. I think personally you are right to not give your advantage up I also think we shouldn't have in the past but that's gone now and we need to get on with it and in the future not ask each other for an favours. I can't see you getting any tickets mind you for the 1st leg now it's at sheff How about doing us a favour and getting your cheating team/management/officials/arena to stop pretending like you've scored a goal when it hasn't crossed the line and stealing 2 points off us? What made that even worse was that Hicks (Panthers pet ref apparently) looked at a video replay, reversed his original (correct) decision and decided it went in! At best that means he has a requirement for some sport of optical enhancement. At worst it is cheating/corruption at it's worst.
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Post by Pies on Jan 28, 2016 11:37:54 GMT
You know what wouldn't surprise me - no tickets for panthers fans and no webcast. I think they would cut their nose off to spite their face with the webcast
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 12:17:22 GMT
Ooohhh, this is fun. Let's get the rivalry going again.
I'll help any way I can.....
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Post by Yotes on Jan 28, 2016 12:29:06 GMT
You know what wouldn't surprise me - no tickets for panthers fans and no webcast. I think they would cut their nose off to spite their face with the webcast Wouldn't personally see any problem with them giving all tickets to their fans, would be pretty annoying if the boot was on the other foot and we were selling tickets to their lot with ours missing out. Have they ever webcast from Ice Sheffield? Unseemly the way Simms has gone about things, but I'd imagine GM can be pretty mule-like when he wants to be.
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Post by Pies on Jan 28, 2016 12:43:42 GMT
You know what wouldn't surprise me - no tickets for panthers fans and no webcast. I think they would cut their nose off to spite their face with the webcast Wouldn't personally see any problem with them giving all tickets to their fans, would be pretty annoying if the boot was on the other foot and we were selling tickets to their lot with ours missing out. Have they ever webcast from Ice Sheffield? Unseemly the way Simms has gone about things, but I'd imagine GM can be pretty mule-like when he wants to be. Don't blame them re fans but they do webcast fromIS and who can blame GM for being stubborn? Fans complain every season about us being soft on these things!
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Post by Yotes on Jan 28, 2016 12:56:58 GMT
In that case they'd be silly not to run one for this game, since it'll be a good earner for them. I'd agree that Gary should make sure we got leg 2, I believe this was decided by the Bag For Life although in true EIHL fashion there appears to be contradictory rules on the website 1, only caveat to that is one of Simms' tweets suggests they had a way for them to play at the Arena and us still get leg 2, which would obviously be the ideal solution. Would need the full details of course. 1 Before the knockout phase started: www.eliteleague.co.uk/challenge-cup-knockout/Before the Bag For Life debacle: www.eliteleague.co.uk/challenge-cup-semi-final-draw/After the BFL debacle: www.eliteleague.co.uk/challenge-cup-semi-final-draw-2/All say the higher ranked team from the groups gets choice of first leg.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 28, 2016 13:13:14 GMT
Why should we care what Simms thinks anyway? We're all <b-word> according to him which he has re-iterated on one of his dummy throwing tweets earlier.
I think it's quite funny witnessing his frothing at the mouth tizzy fit.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 28, 2016 13:14:54 GMT
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Post by PantherTom on Jan 28, 2016 13:36:18 GMT
If we scrap it, then its 1 less trophy you can bottle
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Post by Discoray on Jan 28, 2016 13:48:38 GMT
If we scrap it, then its 1 less trophy you can bottle We'll leave the Challenge Cup bottling to Belfast, they're champions at it.
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