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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 9:03:37 GMT
So Our Competitors Sign Quality Players At Short Notice... And So Do We this is a knee jerk reaction to I believe fan pressure and is hardly short notice as Wiikman has been on and mostly off for about a month now. Add to this the fact that what should have been our LEADING scorer was never covered and we never had cover all year. And now we are 2 plus the spart defenceman short so what was that panthers bringing in players short notice... I don't think so... Or it's the club waiting for a quality player to become available... Who's to say they didn't identify Shane weeks ago and decided to stick with Green until Shanes contract with Valpellice ran out?
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Post by texpef on Jan 7, 2016 9:30:08 GMT
but its not about individual players or even the clubs approach to said players, its a results business (or at least it should be) and clearly from results both Mika has not been fit enough and our backup is just that emergencies only, couple this with losing the leading scorer on the team and then being decimated in defence "waiting for this individual player" no matter how good he is for our league has certainly NOT paid off as far as league points won is concerned and therefore the possibility of winning the league for a second time in 15 years that the fabulous NIC has ben greatly reduced. Whether the club has actively waited or imho just procrastinated is irrelevant to some extent as we have lost the majority of points over the last month and that clearly is not good enough for a team purporting to want to win the league..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 10:11:44 GMT
but its not about individual players or even the clubs approach to said players, its a results business (or at least it should be) and clearly from results both Mika has not been fit enough and our backup is just that emergencies only, couple this with losing the leading scorer on the team and then being decimated in defence "waiting for this individual player" no matter how good he is for our league has certainly NOT paid off as far as league points won is concerned and therefore the possibility of winning the league for a second time in 15 years that the fabulous NIC has ben greatly reduced. Whether the club has actively waited or imho just procrastinated is irrelevant to some extent as we have lost the majority of points over the last month and that clearly is not good enough for a team purporting to want to win the league.. But the results were a bit iffy before Mika got hurt, a lot of our defencemen lost form at the same time which was the main issue (signing Hardy and putting Mosey up front didn't help either). The fact we lost Schultz doesn't really wash with me as a valid excuse to have a pop at the organisation (it would have been nice had we brought someone in but it wasn't needed), he got hurt pretty soon after Ling came in and Ling picked up where Shcultz left off (Ling currently going at 1.32 points per game, leading the league for players that have played over 10 games), so we didn't lose any ground in that department. Results the last month haven't been good enough I agree, but it isn't simply down to not replacing injured players.
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Post by Ian on Jan 7, 2016 12:57:07 GMT
The fact we lost Schultz doesn't really wash with me as a valid excuse to have a pop at the organisation (it would have been nice had we brought someone in but it wasn't needed), he got hurt pretty soon after Ling came in and Ling picked up where Shcultz left off (Ling currently going at 1.32 points per game, leading the league for players that have played over 10 games), so we didn't lose any ground in that department. Results the last month haven't been good enough I agree, but it isn't simply down to not replacing injured players. Can't agree with your logic here. I agree that poor form, injuries and lack of bodies on defence have been been a major factor but you can't say we didn't need to replace one player because another one (who would have been there anyway) has played well while he was out. Ling was not signed to replace Schultz, he was signed in addition to him. So we should have the combined points output of both players for this period. By not replacing Schultz in any way, we only had the points output of one of the two players, and that has hurt us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 14:15:05 GMT
The fact we lost Schultz doesn't really wash with me as a valid excuse to have a pop at the organisation (it would have been nice had we brought someone in but it wasn't needed), he got hurt pretty soon after Ling came in and Ling picked up where Shcultz left off (Ling currently going at 1.32 points per game, leading the league for players that have played over 10 games), so we didn't lose any ground in that department. Results the last month haven't been good enough I agree, but it isn't simply down to not replacing injured players. Can't agree with your logic here. I agree that poor form, injuries and lack of bodies on defence have been been a major factor but you can't say we didn't need to replace one player because another one (who would have been there anyway) has played well while he was out. Ling was not signed to replace Schultz, he was signed in addition to him. So we should have the combined points output of both players for this period. By not replacing Schultz in any way, we only had the points output of one of the two players, and that has hurt us. I know Ling wasn't the replacement for Schultz what I was trying to say was that whilst we didn't gain anything not replacing Schultz (which I agree would have been the preferential course of action) we also didn't lose anything by not replacing him because it coincided with Ling settling in quickly. Not the ideal situation, but I can understand why they took the stance they did on it.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 7, 2016 16:29:10 GMT
The main problem with pinc I think is that he doesn't speak English and o'connor has to translate what he says. That shouldn't really affect him stopping pucks though, off-ice I can see that being an issue but on-ice he should have enough experience to not let that vex him into performing how he did early doors. yeah but goalies tell their defenders if they have the shot so the defender can block a pass but he cant so his defence have to be everywhere
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2016 17:35:10 GMT
Off course we should have replaced Schultz. Because not replacing him not only lost us serious firepower up front,it also messed up the defence as Mosey then had to cover as a full time forward.
But,if we hadn't made the silly penny pinching decision to go an import short in the first place because of Lacho mucking things up,then perhaps we wouldn't have missed Schultz quite as much !
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 7, 2016 18:11:52 GMT
Question, I was just wondering how easy would it be for us to pick up a like for like replacement for Schultz. I suppose because we are the Nottingham Panthers, we would just approach another club and say, 'I say would you mind awfully letting us have your top goalscorer as we are the Nottingham Panthers don't you know'. And they would reply 'Why certainly as they are ten a penny'.
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2016 18:30:53 GMT
Answer. That would depend Pantherman66 on whether your owner is called Mr Black or Mr Smith. Because one will only sanction a token gesture and the other will do whatever it takes to get the guy you need !
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Post by PantherG on Jan 7, 2016 18:48:04 GMT
Question, I was just wondering how easy would it be for us to pick up a like for like replacement for Schultz. I suppose because we are the Nottingham Panthers, we would just approach another club and say, 'I say would you mind awfully letting us have your top goalscorer as we are the Nottingham Panthers don't you know'. And they would reply 'Why certainly as they are ten a penny'. There are plenty of unsigned players and players in other leagues looking to come over the UK, we picked up Doucet last season and he was outstanding. Cardiff have just picked up a great D man this week, so trust me there are players out there, it would be really niave to think otherwise. All the Panthers would have to do, would be to approach a few agencies with their requirements and then the scouts then do the work, Panthers sadly chose no to, for a number of reasons, which in hindsight was a huge mistake.
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2016 19:02:57 GMT
Exactly PantherG.
Schultz is a good player,but he isn't exactly a world beater. His resume is fairly average,a couple of seasons in the ECHL,half a season in the AHL and a couple of years in Germany 2,with a fairly reasonable points output,but nothing earth shatteringly brilliant.
At any one time there should be a fair choice on the market for players of that calibre.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 19:13:37 GMT
Exactly PantherG. Schultz is a good player,but he isn't exactly a world beater. His resume is fairly average,a couple of seasons in the ECHL,half a season in the AHL and a couple of years in Germany 2,with a fairly reasonable points output,but nothing earth shatteringly brilliant. At any one time there should be a fair choice on the market for players of that calibre. Not easy picking someone up of the quality of schultz! It's very rare someone like doucet gets released from his contract too. Very rare. If CN listen to people on here he'd be panic buying all the time and getting someone in for the sake of it. It seemed he tried getting a nettie over Xmas but not surprisingly not many wanted to leave their families. The past is in the past. To say we have played short a lot hardly much ground has been lost such as the competitiveness of the league this year
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Post by PantherG on Jan 7, 2016 19:25:57 GMT
Exactly PantherG. Schultz is a good player,but he isn't exactly a world beater. His resume is fairly average,a couple of seasons in the ECHL,half a season in the AHL and a couple of years in Germany 2,with a fairly reasonable points output,but nothing earth shatteringly brilliant. At any one time there should be a fair choice on the market for players of that calibre. Not easy picking someone up of the quality of schultz! It's very rare someone like doucet gets released from his contract too. Very rare. If CN listen to people on here he'd be panic buying all the time and getting someone in for the sake of it. It seemed he tried getting a nettie over Xmas but not surprisingly not many wanted to leave their families. The past is in the past. To say we have played short a lot hardly much ground has been lost such as the competitiveness of the league this year But Pidge how come Braehead had the choice of the guy they got and Unice? Both over this period. The thing is we should have had a netminder in way before Christmas,.. I'm also not advocating panic buying either, but to leave Waugh and Schultz uncovered all the way through their injuries was really unnacceptable. Whilst they may not have had someone in within a week, they could have had good cover in within a reasonable amount of time and especially when we were already at that point playing an import down. To date this season I don't think we've once iced 13 imports and I'm guessing on average we've probably played about 2 down, for a club of our size and stature that's crazy, if they're serious about being Champions. Some people will now be happy we have a netminder in, I am, but I still expect another D man. As it stands this weekend we will be headed to Cardiff without Dimmen and a 'chance' that Lee will play along with Lawrence, but both who are recovering from injuries.
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 7, 2016 20:24:46 GMT
Who remembers Jon Coleman, picked up midway through the season, with a brilliant resume but turned out to be one of the worst D men I have ever seen. I also didn't rate Doucet that highly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 20:26:25 GMT
Not easy picking someone up of the quality of schultz! It's very rare someone like doucet gets released from his contract too. Very rare. If CN listen to people on here he'd be panic buying all the time and getting someone in for the sake of it. It seemed he tried getting a nettie over Xmas but not surprisingly not many wanted to leave their families. The past is in the past. To say we have played short a lot hardly much ground has been lost such as the competitiveness of the league this year But Pidge how come Braehead had the choice of the guy they got and Unice? Both over this period. The thing is we should have had a netminder in way before Christmas,.. I'm also not advocating panic buying either, but to leave Waugh and Schultz uncovered all the way through their injuries was really unnacceptable. Whilst they may not have had someone in within a week, they could have had good cover in within a reasonable amount of time and especially when we were already at that point playing an import down. To date this season I don't think we've once iced 13 imports and I'm guessing on average we've probably played about 2 down, for a club of our size and stature that's crazy, if they're serious about being Champions. Some people will now be happy we have a netminder in, I am, but I still expect another D man. As it stands this weekend we will be headed to Cardiff without Dimmen and a 'chance' that Lee will play along with Lawrence, but both who are recovering from injuries. I doubt Unice was an option for either club as be hasn't played since he left his Australian team after their season ended, you wouldn't want to bring him in at this point of a season. The fact he's not signed either also suggests he's not as good as he or his agent thinks he is. Why I don't get annoyed at not replacing Waugh or Schultz whilst they were injured we could still roll 3 defence lines and 4 forward lines... How many other teams can say that? That's why we have the British depth that we do, so in an injury crisis we don't need to go out and start a revolving door policy on temporary players. I get the impression Mika would've told Corey that he was ok, he's going to know his body better than anybody, and that's maybe why we held off and waited for Shane to come along. Evidently he's now decided he needs to rest it to get back to 100% and we've brought someone in.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 7, 2016 20:43:18 GMT
Exactly PantherG. Schultz is a good player,but he isn't exactly a world beater. His resume is fairly average,a couple of seasons in the ECHL,half a season in the AHL and a couple of years in Germany 2,with a fairly reasonable points output,but nothing earth shatteringly brilliant. At any one time there should be a fair choice on the market for players of that calibre. Not easy picking someone up of the quality of schultz! It's very rare someone like doucet gets released from his contract too. Very rare. If CN listen to people on here he'd be panic buying all the time and getting someone in for the sake of it. It seemed he tried getting a nettie over Xmas but not surprisingly not many wanted to leave their families. The past is in the past. To say we have played short a lot hardly much ground has been lost such as the competitiveness of the league this year Wow Pidge - I have been saying this for some time- welcome to the club. Schultz will be on "big money" - not his fault he was injured or Coreys. Firstly you have find someone of that quality available and then you offer him -- how long a contract? CN just cannot say and some say but the physios should know how long he will be out for. What has cost us? Its not the absence of Shultz, its been that leaky D - Oh and I still would like a quality stay at home D man. I think some on here seem to think that Corey should be ringing them every hour to ask their advice. I don't see us making up ground, but hope we do - maybe some hope we don't.
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 7, 2016 21:20:35 GMT
If we can roll a full squad in the very near future, I can see us challenging for the title. Cooperphil I think it is obvious from some of the posts on this forum that a few people do not want us to make ground up, as they would not be able to cope with their smashed ego's.
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2016 21:52:55 GMT
Errrrr what's with this "we haven't lost much ground" argument,get real.
If you look back to where we were about a month ago,had we beaten the Steelers at home on Nov 29th we would have gone ELEVEN points clear of them. But we lost and the Steelers are now two points ahead of us,with us having a game in hand.
That says to me......we have lost a heck of a LOT of ground recently !!!
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 7, 2016 21:57:33 GMT
That was before our heavy away schedule though.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 7, 2016 22:11:24 GMT
I think it is obvious from some of the posts on this forum that a few people do not want us to make ground up, as they would not be able to cope with their smashed ego's. What complete and utter crap. If you think anybody on here doesn't want this team/club to do well at the expense of their apparent ego then you're a bit of a plank.
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Post by PantherG on Jan 7, 2016 22:21:29 GMT
I think it is obvious from some of the posts on this forum that a few people do not want us to make ground up, as they would not be able to cope with their smashed ego's. What complete and utter crap. If you think anybody on here doesn't want this team/club to do well at the expense of their apparent ego then you're a bit of a plank. Well said, the reason we are all frustrated is because we all want the team to win and feel we have jeopardised our chances through a number of poor decisions. I'm still hoping we can turn it around, but we will be in Cardiff three D men short... Lee, Dimmen and because we have not replaced Harvey, so we still continue to make things difficult for ourselves. We are just lucky that there is not a Belfast team circa 2011/12 or 2013/14 in the league that cut through the opposition with ease, so we do still have a chance, otherwise it would have been all over by now.
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2016 22:23:26 GMT
Heavy away schedule ?? Don't talk daft,if we lose that game in hand,we will have thrown away a 13 points swing against the Steelers in just over a month.
Are you just trying to wind people up Pantherman66 or are you just blind to the facts !
As for ego's,who in their right mind would not want Panthers to win,if we didn't want them to win then why would we be asking for more to be done to help the team. It should be the people who are happy with Panthers going backwards who are being accused of not wanting to win.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 7, 2016 22:24:09 GMT
I actually partly agree with Iginla - it almost feels that we have slid too far backwards. But without getting too down perhaps it is the time to really get behind the team, reign in the moaning and see if we can pull things back. I always thought that it was a league this season where the higher ranked teams would win then lose against the others. Tough ask as it needs a huge %age win, but LETS GO!
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Post by ted logan on Jan 7, 2016 22:29:26 GMT
What complete and utter crap. If you think anybody on here doesn't want this team/club to do well at the expense of their apparent ego then you're a bit of a plank. Well said, the reason we are all frustrated is because we all want the team to win and feel we have jeopardised our chances through a number of poor decisions. I'm still hoping we can turn it around, but we will be in Cardiff three D men short... Lee, Dimmen and because we have not replaced Harvey, so we still continue to make things difficult for ourselves. Exactly. I'm passionate about this team. Im sure many others on here are, even though we may question the club at times. Doesn't mean we don't care. Doesn't mean we think we could do any better. Certainly doesn't mean we want the club to fail. I desperatley want us to win the league again and truly believe we have the players to achieve that this season. If we don't win it then it will be the biggest case of what might have been in the CN era.
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 7, 2016 22:29:47 GMT
I am sure there are a few on here that would be a little bit self satisfied if we failed, otherwise their out poorings against the club/personnel are a very hollow. Sorry ted I forgot I wasn't allowed an opinion on this FORUM, and I bow to your inside knowledge of the thoughts of all who post on here.
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