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Post by spik on Jun 24, 2015 12:52:50 GMT
End of Conference....I do hope. Nine team league.....just push the Hull dates into the Cup or/ and Play Offs.
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Post by EMB on Jun 24, 2015 12:56:42 GMT
As someone said above, I doesn't appear that the players knew. Phillips has said he found out on the internet this morning and would have appreciated at least a phone call from the club.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 24, 2015 12:57:45 GMT
End of Conference....I do hope. Nine team league.....just push the Hull dates into the Cup or/ and Play Offs. Ten teams isn't enough to push the league forwards. Nine would be a HUGE kick in the nuts.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 24, 2015 12:59:32 GMT
As someone said above, I doesn't appear that the players knew. Phillips has said he found out on the internet this morning and would have appreciated at least a phone call from the club. I was at the kids hockey camp with my son a few years back when Jono got the call that the Stellers had gone under. Not a nice thing to happen at all.
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Post by henners on Jun 24, 2015 13:06:35 GMT
I think it's safe to rule Aberdeen out, having recently spoken to their co-chairman (I used to work with him) the Lynx do want to become viable for an EIHL spot, but this is (or was in April) a very preliminary stage and is between 5-10 years away, realistically anyway. ... Of course something dramatic could have occured in the last 7-8 weeks that he hasn't told me about and could leave me looking a tad stupid!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 24, 2015 13:11:11 GMT
Reading between the lines it looks as if the league could have pulled help from Hull to move it to a more viable team for the longer term of growth here.
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Post by Gilly on Jun 24, 2015 13:14:29 GMT
Reckon itll be Telford then. they have the financial clout and support to do so, the only thing letting them down is their arena, but to make EIHL back up to a 10 team league and avoid the fixtures headache it has no doubt caused i'm sure this could be bypassed provided Telford Board/Chairman agree to fast tracking their route into EIHL. Especially as im sure the London Franchise wasnt supposed to be ready until at least 16/17 or 17/18?
having looked at their arena i'm pretty cure it holds more than the Big Blue Tent currently anyway, therefore cant see any problem?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 24, 2015 13:17:00 GMT
Reckon itll be Telford then. they have the financial clout and support to do so, the only thing letting them down is their arena, but to make EIHL back up to a 10 team league and avoid the fixtures headache it has no doubt caused i'm sure this could be bypassed provided Telford Board/Chairman agree to fast tracking their route into EIHL. Especially as im sure the London Franchise wasnt supposed to be ready until at least 16/17 or 17/18? having looked at their arena i'm pretty cure it holds more than the Big Blue Tent currently anyway, therefore cant see any problem? It would take some balls if they did.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 24, 2015 13:30:25 GMT
I'd think it just as plausible they'd announce a future addition (say London for 16/17), and that there'll be a contraction for the current season. You'd be playing a fair bit of catch up to set up a team for September at this point.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 24, 2015 13:43:37 GMT
I'd think it just as plausible they'd announce a future addition (say London for 16/17), and that there'll be a contraction for the current season. You'd be playing a fair bit of catch up to set up a team for September at this point. Going down to nine teams next year would really suck.
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Post by goon37 on Jun 24, 2015 13:56:45 GMT
The Telford situation is interesting given the owner has a stake in Telford, Bracknell and Manchester. Sure he'll want EIHL hockey soon, just depends where is most suitable.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 24, 2015 14:02:23 GMT
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jun 24, 2015 14:39:31 GMT
I remember when Hull last went bust, Panthers picked up a certain Gui Lepine who'd been signed earlier in the summer.
Could there be another gem sat in there?
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Post by EMB on Jun 24, 2015 15:28:07 GMT
Daft question but if these are a brand new team then they will be looking for players? Could it be that some or all of the Hull players transfer over to the new team?
Other than that can see some of their players being snapped up no problem.
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Post by spik on Jun 24, 2015 17:36:53 GMT
Looking forward to what Manchester fans will want to chant at the next play offs.
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Jun 24, 2015 17:52:44 GMT
wasnt there a bunch of guys wanted to buy mcewen out last season? The guy you are talking about I think is Nic Gough...but I think the EIHL preferred Bobby McEwan's bid/package at the time You have to feel sorry for the 'die hard' Stingrays fans But looking at the bigger picture...firstly in Hull 1. The arena was very rarely full to capacity ..circa 2300 I believe 2. The club had no big sponsor except for Rapid Solicitors and they should have put a contingency plan in place 3. Was Ice Hockey marketed well within the City and the surrounds of East Yorkshire 4. I know you are competing 'bums on seats' to make it pay; but you are up against Hull City, Hull RLFC, Hull Kingston Rovers RLFC 5. What happened to the support from Hull City Council and the businessmen of Hull to make the club a success. 6. If Bobby McEwan knew that the club was in financial difficulty why has he allowed so many signings to be made pre-season. It just seems a big coincidence that on the same day Hull Stingrays are liquidated that Manchester Storm arrive back on the scene. Its a sad day for the supporters of Hull Stingrays...they have had some good players over the years.
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Post by iginla on Jun 24, 2015 19:19:40 GMT
If I was Corey I would be tapping up Lauzon pretty sharpish....he is one very smart and hard working player.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 24, 2015 19:21:15 GMT
wasnt there a bunch of guys wanted to buy mcewen out last season? The guy you are talking about I think is Nic Gough...but I think the EIHL preferred Bobby McEwan's bid/package at the time You have to feel sorry for the 'die hard' Stingrays fans But looking at the bigger picture...firstly in Hull 1. The arena was very rarely full to capacity ..circa 2300 I believe 2. The club had no big sponsor except for Rapid Solicitors and they should have put a contingency plan in place 3. Was Ice Hockey marketed well within the City and the surrounds of East Yorkshire 4. I know you are competing 'bums on seats' to make it pay; but you are up against Hull City, Hull RLFC, Hull Kingston Rovers RLFC 5. What happened to the support from Hull City Council and the businessmen of Hull to make the club a success. 6. If Bobby McEwan knew that the club was in financial difficulty why has he allowed so many signings to be made pre-season. It just seems a big coincidence that on the same day Hull Stingrays are liquidated that Manchester Storm arrive back on the scene. Its a sad day for the supporters of Hull Stingrays...they have had some good players over the years. HUGE shame for the Hull fans but: 1. Unless it was a very big game against a team with a lot of away support it was never full 2. Can't see the sponsorship being worth a lot unless the sponsor was a local supporter of the club (which it isn't now) 3. The population of Hull isn't a lot smaller than Nottingham so if people didn't go they weren't persuaded by the promo 4. Other teams are up against some very well supported other sports in the area so unless it's Camberwick Green vs Trumpton that will always be the case 5. Hull council announced last year that the arena had to start covering it's costs or close. I would have imagined that Bobby McEwan would have been one of the first to know. Support from local businessmen = sponsorship or hand-outs but businessmen are in business because they understand that it would be cheaper to phone every Hull fan to pitch to them than paint the ice or put boards up. 6. Because you don't start paying players until they step off the plane (or the bus). And where there is hope... The clue here is that the press release was prepared together with photos and published on the same day that Hull folded. My guess would be that Hull turned up at the league meeting with the usual "give us a hand-out or you will have three or four less home gates next season" and the league already had a contingency of it's own. The problem with running your team on hand-outs is that you can save the time, money and effort of promoting your own arena seats. Hull isn't a new team and has had LOADS of years to build fan support. The bottom line is that they didn't.
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Post by iginla on Jun 24, 2015 19:50:18 GMT
In a nutshell,if you have to rely on a sponsors money to keep you afloat......then you shouldn't be in the league !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 24, 2015 19:52:35 GMT
In a nutshell,if you have to rely on a sponsors money to keep you afloat......then you shouldn't be in the league ! Especially if one of your sponsors is the league itself.
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Jun 25, 2015 9:11:47 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Jun 25, 2015 11:23:32 GMT
In a nutshell,if you have to rely on a sponsors money to keep you afloat......then you shouldn't be in the league ! Especially if one of your sponsors is the league itself. To what degree was this the case?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 25, 2015 11:27:23 GMT
Especially if one of your sponsors is the league itself. To what degree was this the case? Enough for them to be happy being in the Gardiner I would think
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Post by Yotes on Jun 25, 2015 11:40:46 GMT
I doubt they were happy to be in the Gardiner, the loss of the Panthers/Steelers pay days would have been pretty galling I would think. Getting some financial help from the league, for a system that was of very little benefit to them and almost certainly increased their costs, seems pretty reasonable to me and I don't really see that as sponsorship. I'd assume Manchester will get the same deal.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 25, 2015 12:47:07 GMT
I doubt they were happy to be in the Gardiner, the loss of the Panthers/Steelers pay days would have been pretty galling I would think. Getting some financial help from the league, for a system that was of very little benefit to them and almost certainly increased their costs, seems pretty reasonable to me and I don't really see that as sponsorship. I'd assume Manchester will get the same deal. Yes, but a team has to increase it's fanbase and I think Manchester will have far more chance of doing that than Hull have done over the last few years.
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