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Post by PantherG on Dec 14, 2014 21:32:47 GMT
I have to say the team this year is average at best and in my opinion one of the worst Panthers squads I have seen in a long time.
There are two things that I cannot understand....
1, how on earth we are in the upper part of the league, but that will be sorted come January and
2, why the hell are we having to put up with this rubbish and why there is no sign of any replacements coming in.
While Sheffield tweak their squad and bring in new imports, upgrade the Brit pack we are stuck with this drivel, for a team like ours we should have made some changes by now. Not only are we struggling but we are no even being entertained. It is so frustrating.
We might get news that Robinson is back next week, but that would only be a start, we need more than Nathan Robinson to turn this team around.
We are still within touching distance but not for long, unless changes are made, but I suspect the coffers have been used on the European adventure that the majority of fans are not that interested in, especially if it is going to impact on the domestic competition..
In my opinion I am bored out of my mind and if I was not a season ticket holder I probably would stop going.
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Dec 14, 2014 21:54:57 GMT
Hardly an insult.. and am pretty sure a. jono can defend himself and b. hes right someone will be along shortly to say how wonderful this team is and that we are lucky to have them and we have no god given right to win... Doh!! who'da thought it eh.. I think the team are poor and I would happily drive farmer and Clarke to the nearest airport |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 14, 2014 21:59:03 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 14, 2014 22:01:20 GMT
Are Farmer and Clarke off on holiday though? They could be if enough chip in. |
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Post by texpef on Dec 14, 2014 22:01:50 GMT
From my point of view i think the problems of the whole season were yet again highlighted in tonights game, i.e. No physical presence such as power winger or hard nosed defenceman, not enough goal scorers and giving up too many goals when we cant score...
If there is anyone out there who is going to defend this team after today I would love to hear it...
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Post by iginla on Dec 14, 2014 22:27:05 GMT
An interesting fact from tonight to put things into perspective.
There were around 5700 fans in total at tonight's other FOUR games,compared to 5400 at Panthers.
It really does make you wonder what the hell our management muck around at,we should be walking this league not struggling to stay in contention and playing TWO imports short !
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Post by texpef on Dec 14, 2014 22:28:19 GMT
One other thing its great when the brits play well but its the so called "quality" imports that are signed to win games and on the whole they have stunk when it comes to winning games pretty much the whole season apart from Robinson and he isnt here anymore... Never did understand how the club can make a short term signing sound like it is a good thing over signing someone for the whole season as the contract the teams sign means they can leave after a fortnights notice anyway..
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Post by Stargazer on Dec 14, 2014 22:38:35 GMT
One other thing its great when the brits play well but its the so called "quality" imports that are signed to win games and on the whole they have stunk when it comes to winning games pretty much the whole season apart from Robinson and he isnt here anymore... Never did understand how the club can make a short term signing sound like it is a good thing over signing someone for the whole season as the contract the teams sign means they can leave after a fortnights notice anyway.. This is a good point Tex. People seem to be slamming Clark (and even more surprisingly) Farmer, but its the imports that are the real problem. A good British contingent will add depth to your team but ultimately you look to your imports for that spark, that goal, that game changing moment. Im not saying its a good thing but thats just the way it is at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 22:42:51 GMT
Wheres the face off specialist, win face offs instantly gives you possession and momentum. Why was clarke taking them. This is now my main gripe. Forney at Sheffield must win 70% of his.
what does parent bring to the team. Genuine question?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 22:57:11 GMT
I have to say the team this year is average at best and in my opinion one of the worst Panthers squads I have seen in a long time. There are two things that I cannot understand.... 1, how on earth we are in the upper part of the league, but that will be sorted come January and 2, why the hell are we having to put up with this rubbish and why there is no sign of any replacements coming in. While Sheffield tweak their squad and bring in new imports, upgrade the Brit pack we are stuck with this drivel, for a team like ours we should have made some changes by now. Not only are we struggling but we are no even being entertained. It is so frustrating. We might get news that Robinson is back next week, but that would only be a start, we need more than Nathan Robinson to turn this team around. We are still within touching distance but not for long, unless changes are made, but I suspect the coffers have been used on the European adventure that the majority of fans are not that interested in, especially if it is going to impact on the domestic competition.. I have no doubt Jono will be on here defending the team to the hilt, but in my opinion I am bored out of my mind and if I was not a season ticket holder I probably would stop going. Blimey, where to start with this! I think the problem is that we simply aren't as entertaining as we have been in previous seasons and that is having an affect. this isn't the usual Corey Neilson team that we are used to seeing. However I do believe this is a team with no stand outs. Foe me, I will always take the result over the performance. I don't give a flying crap if the team grind out 52 1-0 wins to be honest, winning a game is all the entertainment I need. I also don't think knee-jerk reactions to change the team after every defeat are the answer. Last season proved that chopping and changing every 5 minutes doesn't do much good. Tonight's game was awful and the team was shocking, can't get away from that. However I do believe this side has what it takes to win the title. All I ask is that we challenge, I'm realistic enough to believe that we won't win every game or every trophy, and at the moment I think we are challenging, despite tonight's loss. We have the best defence in the league on goals conceded, a big difference on previous seasons, but I agree we are lacking up front. However we were discussing in The Bunkers after the game who we would cut. Not one of us could come up with a justifiable reason to cut any player from the roster in an adult conversation. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 14, 2014 23:17:11 GMT
One other thing its great when the brits play well but its the so called "quality" imports that are signed to win games and on the whole they have stunk when it comes to winning games pretty much the whole season apart from Robinson and he isnt here anymore... Never did understand how the club can make a short term signing sound like it is a good thing over signing someone for the whole season as the contract the teams sign means they can leave after a fortnights notice anyway.. This is a good point Tex. People seem to be slamming Clark (and even more surprisingly) Farmer, but its the imports that are the real problem. A good British contingent will add depth to your team but ultimately you look to your imports for that spark, that goal, that game changing moment. Im not saying its a good thing but thats just the way it is at the moment. The simple reason some people are slamming Clark is because tonight I think was the worst game I have ever seen him play in a Panthers shirt and if he has a good game next Saturday I will be amongst the first to say so. I personally don't think he is the type of captain we need at this point and I think he would be a much better player again without the added pressure. |
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Post by Mark on Dec 14, 2014 23:33:37 GMT
We've lost three of our last four home games, we don't score enough goals, we lose out continually on the boards, we have zero physical presence, we lose too many faceoffs, tonight especially we lacked any kind of leadership.
None of these points lead me to believe we have a title winning team.
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Post by iginla on Dec 14, 2014 23:51:22 GMT
Well Jonno,you are certainly correct that this team has no standout players,they are all distinctly average.
And you are also correct that we aren't entertaining.
Boring teams are ok,if you are winning.......but we aren't winning enough,we have lost with some terrible performances,lost to Edinburgh,lost to Hull,lost to Fife,lost to Dundee,lost to Belfast,lost to Cardiff,lost to Sheefield,lost to Braehaed and lost to Coventry.
In fact we have lost to EVERY other team in the league and we aren't even half way through the season yet !
Put simply,if you think this team can win the league then you are bonkers,there are only two teams who will win it......Sheffield or Brahead.
As for your pals not being able to decide who to cut......Jacina,Parent and Berube would be a start,because the first two are producing nothing and the latter isn't doing the job he was signed to do in being tough,rough and solid on D.
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Post by couchcoach on Dec 15, 2014 2:29:05 GMT
You know Iginla you should honestly throw in the towel and just stop going to the games. You are easily becoming the most bitter person in Nottingham!!
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Post by nate24 on Dec 15, 2014 6:32:27 GMT
Agree BFB15, I don't think there's any reason to call Jono out specifically, he's not the only one who's defended the team. Are Farmer and Clarke off on holiday though? I've been an aggressive defender of this team and I still think success is possible this season if we make bold moves and find the missing link for this team. It will take about two or three pieces I think, the basics of a good team are there and we get flashes of it from time to time but lack of consistency is going to kill us very soon. Like I say I'm not as jaded as some but my patience is starting to lack with this team, especially after Dundee and last night. |
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 15, 2014 6:46:06 GMT
The richest teamin the league still playing short benched?
Enough said, no knee jerk reaction here just the same complaints I had in October still not resolved.
I firmly believe David Clarke will still be playing for us when he's 50.
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Post by BigLad on Dec 15, 2014 9:10:44 GMT
I think I must be in the minority "in the middle" group on here.
Yes I think we need additions, no I don't think this is the worst team of all time.
Obvious needs: a goalscorer and a physical presence.
Goalscorer - I don't think Lawrence was brought in to be our top points scorer. It's great that he contributed, but "Mr Marmite" does tend to have a lot of "off" moments in games. Graham will score goals, but was a slow starter last time out and can't do it all himself.
Physical Presence - Cue the "we don't need a fighter" nonsense. I'm not asking for a Penner (although I'd love to see him back). What I am asking for though is someone to play the game and answer those who think they can push us around. Lloyd laid in hit after hit last night, the one on Mosey was a monster, where was the comeback? Where was our hitting game? David Clarke and Jonathan Boxill have been the only players who have regularly been finishing their hits...and that's not what David Clarke should be doing, he's a sniper!! When Sandrock cleaned out Graham (I think) from behind after the play had been stopped he should've been given a beating. Keefe could do what he liked last night, how many times have we said that about opposition players this season?
Starting to become a problem: a faceoff winner
I can only recall us winning TWO in the entire game against Belfast.
Man for man however I can only really say for sure I'd cut one player and that's Greg Jacina, and that's purely based on his performances last season and what he's been playing like the last few games before he got injured. I wasn't a fan when he was brought back but he changed my mind at the beginning of the season as he was playing well. Unfortunately when the CHL was done and dusted, so was he.
However a coach needs to make tough decisions to be succesful. Those decisions need to be made sooner rather than later.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2014 9:29:59 GMT
I think I must be in the minority "in the middle" group on here. Yes I think we need additions, no I don't think this is the worst team of all time. Obvious needs: a goalscorer and a physical presence.Goalscorer - I don't think Lawrence was brought in to be our top points scorer. It's great that he contributed, but "Mr Marmite" does tend to have a lot of "off" moments in games. Graham will score goals, but was a slow starter last time out and can't do it all himself. Physical Presence - Cue the "we don't need a fighter" nonsense. I'm not asking for a Penner (although I'd love to see him back). What I am asking for though is someone to play the game and answer those who think they can push us around. Lloyd laid in hit after hit last night, the one on Mosey was a monster, where was the comeback? Where was our hitting game? David Clarke and Jonathan Boxill have been the only players who have regularly been finishing their hits...and that's not what David Clarke should be doing, he's a sniper!! When Sandrock cleaned out Graham (I think) from behind after the play had been stopped he should've been given a beating. Keefe could do what he liked last night, how many times have we said that about opposition players this season? Starting to become a problem: a faceoff winnerI can only recall us winning TWO in the entire game against Belfast. Man for man however I can only really say for sure I'd cut one player and that's Greg Jacina, and that's purely based on his performances last season and what he's been playing like the last few games before he got injured. I wasn't a fan when he was brought back but he changed my mind at the beginning of the season as he was playing well. Unfortunately when the CHL was done and dusted, so was he. However a coach needs to make tough decisions to be succesful. Those decisions need to be made sooner rather than later. Is it really a tough decision? I would have thought it was simply coaching 101. I'm pretty sure that the problem he has is the constraints he is working under. If we can see the balance problems here he will be seeing the same everyday they ice. |
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Post by BigLad on Dec 15, 2014 10:17:01 GMT
Is it really a tough decision? I would have thought it was simply coaching 101. I'm pretty sure that the problem he has is the constraints he is working under. If we can see the balance problems here he will be seeing the same everyday they ice. Who to cut? What affect will that have on team morale? Plenty have already said, including me in the same post above, that there are no obvious candidates to cut. Therefore, tough decisions. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2014 10:59:49 GMT
Is it really a tough decision? I would have thought it was simply coaching 101. I'm pretty sure that the problem he has is the constraints he is working under. If we can see the balance problems here he will be seeing the same everyday they ice. Who to cut? What affect will that have on team morale? Plenty have already said, including me in the same post above, that there are no obvious candidates to cut. Therefore, tough decisions. He gets the cheque and as he is the coach so he either gets it right or he isn't doing his job. As for morale, it's just the same as any team sport and it's part of being a professional player. I have to say there didn't look like there was a lot of morale on the ice yesterday. |
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2014 11:43:15 GMT
I might be bitter Couchcoach......but I'm right though !
And quite why you single out my post when literally EVERY other post from last night is now virtually of the same opinion as me I don't know.
Probably your'e just miffed because I could see the problems with this team two months ago and you couldn't !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 13:30:36 GMT
I might be bitter Couchcoach......but I'm right though ! And quite why you single out my post when literally EVERY other post from last night is now virtually of the same opinion as me I don't know. Probably your'e just miffed because I could see the problems with this team two months ago and you couldn't ! Nail and Head iginla ! Same with me mate |
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Post by Warren on Dec 15, 2014 13:34:07 GMT
Wowzers.
Good teams can have bad days, bad teams can have good.
Some stats
Belfast - Lost 2 at home (Braehead in OT and Fife), Lost 9 Away (Breahead (SO), Sheffield x2, Cardiff x3, Nottingham (OT), Hull & Coventry)
Braehead - Lost 1 at home (Sheffield), Lost 8 Away (Cardiff x 2 (Both SO), Fife x2, Belfast, Coventry, Hull, Sheffied)
Cardiff - Lost 2 at Home (Nottingham, Sheffield), Lost 8 Away (Belfast x3, Edinburgh (SO), Sheffield x2, Nottingham, Braehead)
Coventry - Lost 8 at home (Cardiff x3, Sheffield x2 (1 in OT), Belfast, Nottingham, Braehead), Lost 13 away (Cardiff x2, Belfast, Nottingham x3, Sheffield x2, Braehead x2, Hull x2, Edinburgh)
Nottingham - Lost 6 at home (Hull, Fife (SO), Cardiff (SO), Dundee (OT), Belfast), Lost 7 away (Coventry, Cardiff, Sheffield, Braehead (OT), Edinburgh, Belfast, Sheffield)
Sheffield - Lost 1 at Home (Cardiff (OT), Lost 7 Away (Nottingham x2, Cardiff, Dundee, Braehead, Coventry, Belfast (SO)
Not going to list all teams.
What does that say to me? Everyone is loosing the same amount of games away (excluding Coventry) Panthers are doing worse at home, but of the 6 losses, 3 of them we got a point.
Finally. my opinions on the team...
We had no leader out there last night. Nobody who stepped up. The year we won the league, how many times did Fox step up and create something from nothing? You can't see that happening from any of our players at the moment.
I have been firmly in the "We dont really need an enforcer camp" until last night. Not because i thought people needed to held accountable for there actions (Lloyds hit on Mosey) but more Lacho spent all game looking over his shoulder waiting for the hit. We need someone who to paraphrase the team when we signed Lepine in the championship year "Grew an extra few inches taller when he was on the ice"
We need a goal scorer or someone who is going to fit and click with Graham to make him the goal scorer we have seen he can be. Was the connection with Ling a fluke making Graham look better than he is? I personally think it was.
Wild. I am all for forwards jumping up and joining the play. In fact in some years we had guys that almost refused to. But Wild takes it too far. The number of times you see him behind the net and Forward on point covering is happening way too often.
Powerplay. Now did I read CN wanted Jacina to be our PP "Quaterback" for one unit? if so he needs someone else do it if Jacina is out injured. The first unit consists of wild from point of overworked passing. I don't think half out players know how to take a one timer.
Passing. How many no look passes went to players in white? 99% of them. Most of the passes were made to players skates or to the back hand. It feels like we don't practice passing in training at all.
Tactics. for me CN doesn't react with his tactics at all. its the same tactic that he used in the first minute to the last. there is no plan B. unless you count an early lead and then playing the trap.
Overall, CN has to deliver the league (Which unless something changes he wont) or he will have to go. last years entire season was allowed due to the season before. but for me, the CC and the PO will not cut it.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 15, 2014 13:55:55 GMT
We had no leader out there last night. Nobody who stepped up. The year we won the league, how many times did Fox step up and create something from nothing? You can't see that happening from any of our players at the moment. I have been firmly in the "We dont really need an enforcer camp" until last night. Not because i thought people needed to held accountable for there actions (Lloyds hit on Mosey) but more Lacho spent all game looking over his shoulder waiting for the hit. We need someone who to paraphrase the team when we signed Lepine in the championship year "Grew an extra few inches taller when he was on the ice" We need a goal scorer or someone who is going to fit and click with Graham to make him the goal scorer we have seen he can be. Was the connection with Ling a fluke making Graham look better than he is? I personally think it was. Wild. I am all for forwards jumping up and joining the play. In fact in some years we had guys that almost refused to. But Wild takes it too far. The number of times you see him behind the net and Forward on point covering is happening way too often. Powerplay. Now did I read CN wanted Jacina to be our PP "Quaterback" for one unit? if so he needs someone else do it if Jacina is out injured. The first unit consists of wild from point of overworked passing. I don't think half out players know how to take a one timer. Passing. How many no look passes went to players in white? 99% of them. Most of the passes were made to players skates or to the back hand. It feels like we don't practice passing in training at all. Tactics. for me CN doesn't react with his tactics at all. its the same tactic that he used in the first minute to the last. there is no plan B. unless you count an early lead and then playing the trap. Overall, CN has to deliver the league (Which unless something changes he wont) or he will have to go. last years entire season was allowed due to the season before. but for me, the CC and the PO will not cut it. Can't disagree with much in there apart from I would say the need for a tough guy has been apparent for a long time. Leigh Salters would be a great fit in this team but we let him go for the sake of £50 a week apparently. He's now averaging a PPG, hitting hard and fighting/sticking up for his team mates for 2nd in the table Braehead. Cody Wild - best player on the ice last night. Tactics - dump and chase only works if there is a chase on the end of the dump otherwise it's just a dump  |
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Post by fishman on Dec 15, 2014 14:01:43 GMT
Looking for reason to go V Flyers, just a sign that Panthers management are with the fans on this one or like iginla says just going through the motions and hoping it will sorts it self out.
No season ticket here so I can stay at home spend my £25+(match ticket,train or tram, 2 pints) on a bottle of wine and a good steak, so come on Panthers show me your up for it or lets all stay home and get merry!
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