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Post by Dan on Dec 18, 2014 13:30:55 GMT
Right, i'm not usually heavy-handed with the modding but i've deleted all of the tedious Jono discussion from this (Jono isn't tedious, the conversation was tedi...oh you know what i mean) because i'm frankly sick of it. I think the initial comment was more unnecessary than it was insulting, but it spiralled as usual.
In future, if you disagree with someone can you use some your words to disprove them without making smarmy comments? It really doesn't help anyone and completely derails threads.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 18, 2014 13:41:39 GMT
You missed a bit
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Post by No 29 on Dec 18, 2014 15:00:10 GMT
Is this all even strength goals or just all the goals? If it is just the even strength goals then top marks sir. All even strength goals, short handed goals scored and conceded included as I understand the +/- rules to be.
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Post by Dan on Dec 20, 2014 16:50:47 GMT
Back on topic, could it be argued that whilst we may seem mediocre, it's more the fact that this league is just more balanced than ever before?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 17:11:46 GMT
Back on topic, could it be argued that whilst we may seem mediocre, it's more the fact that this league is just more balanced than ever before? Or the league as a whole is just mediocre!
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Post by pantherman66 on Dec 20, 2014 17:32:05 GMT
The league has risen in standard across the board in my opinion. It seems to me people see less fights, equals less entertainment, equals drop in standards. Go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 18:30:09 GMT
The league has risen in standard across the board in my opinion. It seems to me people see less fights, equals less entertainment, equals drop in standards. Go figure. It's got nothing to do with fights as far as I'm concerned, in fact nowhere on this thread seems to mention fighting - Go figure!! If you feel the standard has improved you must be watching different matches to me. I can't remember a season where I leave the arena constantly feeling underwhelmed by what's been served up by BOTH teams. It's now got to the point where I'm staying in tonight having a meal/social with friends because I'd sooner do that than spend money watching the dross that's an offer at the NIC (and EIHL hockey in general). I hope we win, I hope we win the league, but it really is - MEDIOCRE AT BEST!
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Post by fishman on Dec 20, 2014 18:52:51 GMT
For me its the same and if I could bring back 1 player from last season it would be Petr Kalus Gp21 G10 A 11 TP21, a bottle of Rioja and a pizza and a look in at the Clan v Stars game, best of luck for the game!
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Post by PantherG on Dec 20, 2014 21:32:43 GMT
Going from bad to worse, I fully expect to be thumped tomorrow in Cardiff and I would not be surprised if Sheffield took all 4 points over Christmas. Still no changes in sight, even if Robinson comes back we still need a goal scorer..... Really frustrating as if we lose Lee and Lako next year to Europe/the US we will fall further behind as Sheffield have Dowd and O'Connor on three year deals.....
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 20, 2014 22:21:59 GMT
That was the worst performance I have seen since the 20/20 cup in Sheffield which we took as a joke.
IMO standards are dropping year on year and so is the entertainment value. Nickerson was box office tonight.
I think the illusion is the top teams are dropping to the level of the lesser teams. This is making things more even, yes. But certainly not better quality.
Our championship winning team would whip the current one.
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Post by PantherG on Dec 21, 2014 0:21:16 GMT
Our championship winning team would whip the current one. On current form most teams are whipping and humiliating the current one, painful to watch and soon a lot fewer will be watching!!!! How can a family of four justify paying to watch this rubbish!
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Post by Yotes on Dec 21, 2014 0:40:42 GMT
I think the illusion is the top teams are dropping to the level of the lesser teams. This is making things more even, yes. But certainly not better quality. Agree with this. The teams that made up the lower end of the league have probably improved a bit, but I think the top end has regressed too. Can't say I've seen a really good team this year, and not a lot of good hockey (putting aside our CHL visitors).
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Post by Warren on Dec 21, 2014 8:21:03 GMT
I think the illusion is the top teams are dropping to the level of the lesser teams. This is making things more even, yes. But certainly not better quality. Agree with this. The teams that made up the lower end of the league have probably improved a bit, but I think the top end has regressed too. Can't say I've seen a really good team this year, and not a lot of good hockey (putting aside our CHL visitors). On the whole, I agree. The league has lost all entertainers bar Nickerson and the pantomime dame Lloyd. Last night, I think Nickerson only "ran" Green for something to do and get someone to drop the gloves. he had been chirping / chasing a few of our guys for most of the night but on the whole played the perfect role. I was / am in the "middle" ground group and still hold some unrealistic hope of us being able to turn it around. (puts on flack jacket) BUT this group of players and possible leadership won't do it. I have never bought into the "This team is cheap" attitude. Mainly because if Black wants European hockey, he needs to win. So he should be pumping even more money into he club to try and ensure the success. Do I think that we have the best money can buy? nope. Not by a long shot. So what went wrong? For me, Corey's recruitment was poor and his change of tactics was the wrong move. "Sexy Neilson Hockey" would be tearing this league apart this year. Can this be fixed? yes it can in 3 bold moves. 1. AHL top line scorer. not some 4th line grinder who has been called up to the show for 20 games for 7 clubs and scored 1pt. some one who can put up multi point per game numbers in the AHL. 2. AHL top line power forward. Not some 4th line knuckle dragger. someone who can fight (and win) someone who can put people through the plexi. someone who is willing to do it every game. 3. AHL grade leader. I like Clarke. I think he has altered his game to adjust for not only Neilsons tactics, but for the way the team is this year. Does he infuriate me? of course, for about 50minutes a game. Is it all his fault? not really. like most captains in the EIHL, it seems tenure = leadership. Above all, we need the players to give a crap that they conceded. Last night, by our players actions you would of thought it was 0-0 all the way through the 3rd. (I suppose that period was 0-0)
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Post by lepine28 on Dec 21, 2014 11:14:56 GMT
Agree with this. The teams that made up the lower end of the league have probably improved a bit, but I think the top end has regressed too. Can't say I've seen a really good team this year, and not a lot of good hockey (putting aside our CHL visitors). On the whole, I agree. The league has lost all entertainers bar Nickerson and the pantomime dame Lloyd. Last night, I think Nickerson only "ran" Green for something to do and get someone to drop the gloves. he had been chirping / chasing a few of our guys for most of the night but on the whole played the perfect role. I was / am in the "middle" ground group and still hold some unrealistic hope of us being able to turn it around. (puts on flack jacket) BUT this group of players and possible leadership won't do it. I have never bought into the "This team is cheap" attitude. Mainly because if Black wants European hockey, he needs to win. So he should be pumping even more money into he club to try and ensure the success. Do I think that we have the best money can buy? nope. Not by a long shot. So what went wrong? For me, Corey's recruitment was poor and his change of tactics was the wrong move. "Sexy Neilson Hockey" would be tearing this league apart this year. Can this be fixed? yes it can in 3 bold moves. 1. AHL top line scorer. not some 4th line grinder who has been called up to the show for 20 games for 7 clubs and scored 1pt. some one who can put up multi point per game numbers in the AHL. 2. AHL top line power forward. Not some 4th line knuckle dragger. someone who can fight (and win) someone who can put people through the plexi. someone who is willing to do it every game. 3. AHL grade leader. I like Clarke. I think he has altered his game to adjust for not only Neilsons tactics, but for the way the team is this year. Does he infuriate me? of course, for about 50minutes a game. Is it all his fault? not really. like most captains in the EIHL, it seems tenure = leadership. Above all, we need the players to give a crap that they conceded. Last night, by our players actions you would of thought it was 0-0 all the way through the 3rd. (I suppose that period was 0-0)
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Post by lepine28 on Dec 21, 2014 12:02:01 GMT
I think you are spot on here. That was the only way Nickerson was going to get what he had been looking for all night and poor old Shmit was the whipping boy (not for the first time this season) I'm not one for having a fighter who doesn't even know which end of the stick to hold but I think people under estimate how much time the more skilful players can have on the ice when there's a tough guy around to protect them and also as a momentum changer when games are not going to plan. The standard of hockey has improved enough over the years to not need those ridiculous staged fights in order put bums on seats but there are plenty of people that will go home disappointed each game if they haven't seen a good scrap.
I've heard the champions league is to be extended again next year which will mean two British teams will be invited to enter. However, as we've seen this year it's not the league winners who enter but the team with the owner who is willing to pay the 10,000 euros entry fee plus all those travel costs and extra imports. I fear this maybe us again next year regardless of our final league position.
You are also spot on with the changes needed. At the beginning of the season people looked at this roster and wondered who the DAB type goal scorer was, where was the Salters like power forward and who will be the Fox type leader that takes this team by the scruff of the neck and drags us through games when things aren't going well. Here we are in December and those same people are still asking the same questions. I think we'll see a change but with 5 or 6 to choose from, who will the axe fall on I wonder?
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Post by jdizpt8 on Dec 21, 2014 12:24:20 GMT
I think you are spot on here. That was the only way Nickerson was going to get what he had been looking for all night and poor old Shmit was the whipping boy (not for the first time this season) I'm not one for having a fighter who doesn't even know which end of the stick to hold but I think people under estimate how much time the more skilful players can have on the ice when there's a tough guy around to protect them and also as a momentum changer when games are not going to plan. The standard of hockey has improved enough over the years to not need those ridiculous staged fights in order put bums on seats but there are plenty of people that will go home disappointed each game if they haven't seen a good scrap. I've heard the champions league is to be extended again next year which will mean two British teams will be invited to enter. However, as we've seen this year it's not the league winners who enter but the team with the owner who is willing to pay the 10,000 euros entry fee plus all those travel costs and extra imports. I fear this maybe us again next year regardless of our final league position. You are also spot on with the changes needed. At the beginning of the season people looked at this roster and wondered who the DAB type goal scorer was, where was the Salters like power forward and who will be the Fox type leader that takes this team by the scruff of the neck and drags us through games when things aren't going well. Here we are in December and those same people are still asking the same questions. I think we'll see a change but with 5 or 6 to choose from, who will the axe fall on I wonder? Great points made, we are lacking in most areas but then we've also had the paper over the cracks performance when we spanked the Steelers! I do feel changes are needed and I'm putting my neck and say Graham, he's clearly a top earner and isn't producing, he took a while to warm up in the grand slam year then bang goals goals goals!! Just a matter of can we find a goal scoring free agent at this stage of the season who will come to the UK? I'd keep Benny Wild Mosey Lawrence and Higgins out of our imports and Modig the rest could be changed
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Post by ggggranville on Dec 21, 2014 16:44:11 GMT
We talk of Neil Black wanting European hockey again next year and needing Panthers to start winning games to enable that to happen. Has anyone considered that Black's money could be on the Clan for next years adventure?. From the little I have seen of them the appear to be better balanced and physically stronger that the Panthers. Apart from the Brits they also seem to compare more favourably man for man. NB may be keeping his money in his pocket with a view to using it for a late push for the league by the Clansman.
Just my opinion.
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Post by PantherG on Dec 21, 2014 18:21:46 GMT
We talk of Neil Black wanting European hockey again next year and needing Panthers to start winning games to enable that to happen. Has anyone considered that Black's money could be on the Clan for next years adventure?. From the little I have seen of them the appear to be better balanced and physically stronger that the Panthers. Apart from the Brits they also seem to compare more favourably man for man. NB may be keeping his money in his pocket with a view to using it for a late push for the league by the Clansman. Just my opinion. I think we have bigger budget than the Clan, I just think we have recruited badly. We recruited really early due to the CHL, whilst other teams had more time to review players and make choices without the pressure of playing in August.
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Post by caps91 on Dec 21, 2014 18:24:40 GMT
1. AHL top line scorer. not some 4th line grinder who has been called up to the show for 20 games for 7 clubs and scored 1pt. some one who can put up multi point per game numbers in the AHL. 2. AHL top line power forward. Not some 4th line knuckle dragger. someone who can fight (and win) someone who can put people through the plexi. someone who is willing to do it every game. 3. AHL grade leader. I like Clarke. I think he has altered his game to adjust for not only Neilsons tactics, but for the way the team is this year. Does he infuriate me? of course, for about 50minutes a game. Is it all his fault? not really. like most captains in the EIHL, it seems tenure = leadership Although I agree that we need some top quality players, ideally what players of that standard are actually going to move over here and play in the elite league, when they're probably payed a far deal more and have a chance of the nhl if they need to cover injuries etc i agree we need those 3 types of player, especially a goal scorer preferably with speed I hope, but funny enough I just don't see it happening
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