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Post by nytram89 on Nov 19, 2014 8:04:43 GMT
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Nov 19, 2014 8:09:01 GMT
This would of been a perfect signing for us.
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 19, 2014 8:27:25 GMT
You guys need a scrapper even more now..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 9:39:04 GMT
I was right at the weekend about steelers about to announce a player panthers have cried for since the start of the season. Bois is the final piece of their championship season jigsaw!
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Post by jd on Nov 19, 2014 10:43:43 GMT
Wonder what the DOPS would make of this?
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Post by iginla on Nov 19, 2014 11:44:02 GMT
That's exactly the sort of quality forwards resume Panthers should have four or five players like EVERY season. Many straight years in top leagues while we recruit average and poor from the ECHL/CHL or below.
Pity we just rest on our laurels while other teams get stronger and stronger whilst we get weaker and weaker.
Well done Sheffield for going and getting what you needed,I guess it might prompt Panthers into signing some second tier Slovak who is just coming off a couple of years with an injury......then again I wouldn't even bank on that,it might cost more than a tenner !!!!!!!
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 19, 2014 11:51:04 GMT
That's exactly the sort of quality forwards resume Panthers should have four or five players like EVERY season. Many straight years in top leagues while we recruit average and poor from the ECHL/CHL or below. Pity we just rest on our laurels while other teams get stronger and stronger whilst we get weaker and weaker. Well done Sheffield for going and getting what you needed,I guess it might prompt Panthers into signing some second tier Slovak who is just coming off a couple of years with an injury......then again I wouldn't even bank on that,it might cost more than a tenner !!!!!!! The 1st 2 paragraphs are fine and I largely agree. The 3rd paragraph is the type of OTT post which detracts from the rest of it and prompts negative reactions towards you as a poster.
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Post by iginla on Nov 19, 2014 11:58:07 GMT
I don't agree ftm.
How many times have we signed the guy who was either injured or is a cheap Euro that lasts ten games if he's lucky. Just off the top of my head,Liscak,Golicic,Nemorovsky,Tvrdon,Lee,Parent and that's without even thinking for more than ten seconds.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 19, 2014 12:12:39 GMT
Has anyone ever actually seen Bois play? If so, what sort of player is he?
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Post by iginla on Nov 19, 2014 13:32:42 GMT
Yotes.....think Kelsey Wilson,but with more skill,higher scoring output,a far better resume and your not far off.
Meh,as if we would want or need something like that !
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 19, 2014 13:39:38 GMT
Yotes.....think Kelsey Wilson,but with more skill,higher scoring output,a far better resume and your not far off. Meh,as if we would want or need something like that ! Yeah, he does have a very similar CV but slightly better than Wilson's. On paper he would have been a great addition to our roster which is why I suggested him on the rumours thread. Unfortunately looks like a tremendous signing for Sheffield, coupled with the recent addition of O'Connor and they look to have a very talented and deep roster.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Nov 19, 2014 13:41:18 GMT
I don't agree ftm. How many times have we signed the guy who was either injured or is a cheap Euro that lasts ten games if he's lucky. Just off the top of my head,Liscak,Golicic,Nemorovsky,Tvrdon,Lee,Parent and that's without even thinking for more than ten seconds. Liscak wasn't injured and was on a 4 game trial. He didn't pass the test. Golicic, I'm not to sure on but thought he was similar to Liscak (he arrived at roughly the same time as Corey LeClair if I remember rightly) Nemorovsky got never damage in his shoulder during a playoff game. Tvrdon got injured during the Continental Cup in Amiens (I have a feeling it was shoulder related and possibly needed surgery) Lee got injured during pre season. Parent got injured during the season. I can't remember where we've signed an "injured" guy, other than Steve Ward this year who retired and there was a couple of other guys who retired before coming over. One Dman, who I can't remember their name, looked pretty useful too. As for cheap Euros... Liscak played 253 games in the top Slovak league putting up 0.5 points per game Golicic played 185 games in Austrian top league and 123 in Slovenia, as well as played for Slovenian national team at 8 World Championships and Olympic Qualification Nemorovsky seemed to be a bit of a journey man and only played a handful of games in "decent" leagues, including AHL, DEL and ISL and didn't really do anything there. Got decent numbers in Germany 2/3/4 which does kind of prove your point with him. Tvrdon, I always felt, fell foul of the Nottingham Panthers over-hype train that came with it. I remember they went big on the whole "Ex NHLer" thing (he only played 9 games for Washington Capitals) but it was the year directly before signing for us. He played in the AHL for 135 games, Slovak top league for 189 and 131 games in the WHL and put up decent numbers in all bar AHL really. Mark Lee's CV looked very good and some people seem to believe that he would have been about the same standard as Robinson, i think. It's very hard to judge on someone who only played a handful of minutes. The injury was just an unfortunate thing. Parent looked like what some people would see as an "uninspired" and "average" import forward. But then so was Matt Francis. If he becomes half as good as Francis then he'll be a great player for us. He was never brought over here to light the league up with points, but fill a defensive role that we lost with players like Francis, Myers even Levers before that. Basically, apart from Nomorovsky, I don't buy your "cheap Euro" stereotype. They might have failed, and they might well have been down right awful for us (I'm looking at Golicic and Liscak here) but their CVs when we signed them showed promise and they should have. That's not the fault of the club. We follow a league with a practically none existant scouting network and sign players, rightly or wrongly, on word of mouth and recommendations. You dig into other leagues and speak to mates who coach elsewhere and you find some gems (Lepine, Francis, Nikolov, Fox etc) and other times you come up short and don't get what you want/expect (Golicic, Liscak etc) and some get injuries that can't really be helped.
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Post by iginla on Nov 19, 2014 14:22:20 GMT
Slade. How many East Euros do you see Sheffield and Belfast sign,they don't because the majority of those guys don't cut it over here,they are either poor quality,a problem to deal with or will not play the system required....that sums up Liscak,Golicic,Nemorovsky,Krulis,Magdosko,Ivan or Kalus perfectly. How many of those players other than Kalus were any good or did we re-sign ? None of them,that says a lot.
We all deal with the same agents etc,it's not totally some hushed up closed shop,if Sheffield sign somebody it is almost certain in most cases we could probably have signed him too.
As for Parent,go check because I think you will find he was injured last year,Tvrdon too had come off a previous bad injury. With Lee it's anybody's guess,but it is felt within the camp that he was injured before he even got here.
You will always get the odd exception like Francis yes,in his case believe it or not a £250 a week exception the first season,however in general you don't get much if you buy cheap and more often than not,if you pay cheap you buy twice !
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Post by PantherG on Nov 19, 2014 15:38:58 GMT
We just have to face it the kitty was probably used on the European excursion. We have to accept that fact, that the CHL was our defining moment in our season, imo.
Factor in air fare, visa's and the accommodation costs of bring in extra talent at the start of the season. Also travelling all over Europe is not cheap, the rip off air fare taxes alone are huge. Also factor in the huge signing on fee to enter the CHL, this all adds up and I don't buy that we would have made a tidy profit from our three games to fund all this. We also had the other Euro excursion to France, to help the CHL campaign.
Overall, it might be a good thing to finish with nothing in the cabinet this year, as long as the other teams who qualify for Europe next season don't turn it down and we end up taking over their slot.
Personally, I would like a full season with all the funds and focus on the domestic campaign. Whilst I am disappointed in how this season is going, as I can see slow but surely Sheffield are gathering momentum and should shortly be comfortably ahead at the summit, I wouldn't expect the club to spend money it no longer has, keeping in the black, pardon the pun, is more important for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 15:45:51 GMT
I said 2 weeks into the season when some were asking for changes that we re skint! anyone care to disagree, it doesn t look very good from the outside does it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 15:47:58 GMT
Thats exactly what will happen, as they know panthers will do it and there teams can t afford to fly all over the place, it will be groundhog day i ll put a good amount of money down on this !
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Post by Flying Viking on Nov 19, 2014 15:48:40 GMT
If the new Sheffield guy shoots and hits the post, do we sing "O Danny Bois, the pipes, the pipes are calling" ?
I'll get my warm winter coat (I'm in Oslo, it's a bit colder here).
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Post by PantherG on Nov 19, 2014 15:56:17 GMT
Thats exactly what will happen, as they know panthers will do it and there teams can t afford to fly all over the place, it will be groundhog day i ll put a good amount of money down on this ! If this does turn out to the be the case then I won't be renewing my season ticket tbh. Not because I expect us to win everything, every year... but I do expect a club likes ours to have a good go at it, bring in the best players we can and challenge to the end. The team this year is not that far off, but too much time has passed now, for us to make some changes. I really think Sheffield will be front runners and the squad they now have on paper is pretty damn impressive and we are letting them get too far ahead. I also think it will send a message that other teams value far more the domestic competition, as opposed to Euro campaigns, if they decline invitations to any Euro excursion.
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Post by jd on Nov 19, 2014 16:12:21 GMT
Thats exactly what will happen, as they know panthers will do it and there teams can t afford to fly all over the place, it will be groundhog day i ll put a good amount of money down on this ! If this does turn out to the be the case then I won't be renewing my season ticket tbh. Not because I expect us to win everything, every year... but I do expect a club likes ours to have a good go at it, bring in the best players we can and challenge to the end. The team this year is not that far off, but too much time has passed now, for us to make some changes. I really think Sheffield will be front runners and the squad they now have on paper is pretty damn impressive and we are letting them get too far ahead. I also think it will send a message that other teams value far more the domestic competition, as opposed to Euro campaigns, if they decline invitations to any Euro excursion. If we win the Playoffs or the Challenge cup would you renew your ticket?
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Post by iginla on Nov 19, 2014 16:20:34 GMT
Panthers skint ? Don't you believe it for a minute. They could sign a whole team of Danny Bois's quality and better as a starting squad,keep them all year and still make a very big profit every season.
As for Europe,I hope we don't go near the damn thing again if it has the same impact as this season. It's blatantly obvious that if you want guys here in early to mid August,unless you are paying real serious money you are not going to get good quality,you will end up with the average joes who are willing to sign early just to be sure of a job. Quality guys are going to stay at home,wait and see what offers they get,then decide on the best one for them and sign as late as possible.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 19, 2014 16:22:43 GMT
Thats exactly what will happen, as they know panthers will do it and there teams can t afford to fly all over the place, it will be groundhog day i ll put a good amount of money down on this ! If this does turn out to the be the case then I won't be renewing my season ticket tbh. Not because I expect us to win everything, every year... but I do expect a club likes ours to have a good go at it, bring in the best players we can and challenge to the end. The team this year is not that far off, but too much time has passed now, for us to make some changes. I really think Sheffield will be front runners and the squad they now have on paper is pretty damn impressive and we are letting them get too far ahead. I also think it will send a message that other teams value far more the domestic competition, as opposed to Euro campaigns, if they decline invitations to any Euro excursion. 9-3-3. It's really not that bad. Sheffield are so amazing that we've got a winning record against them so far. This guy won't be that good, he's a decent pick up, and yeah you wouldn't have said no to him in a Panthers jersey, but to make out this is some title deciding moment is nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 16:34:43 GMT
I don't agree ftm. How many times have we signed the guy who was either injured or is a cheap Euro that lasts ten games if he's lucky. Just off the top of my head,Liscak,Golicic,Nemorovsky,Tvrdon,Lee,Parent and that's without even thinking for more than ten seconds. A) Parent isn't a Euro, also doubt he would be cheap seeing as he missed the majority of the 12-13 season (only 3 games played) but last year he played 36 AHL games. I very much doubt a 26 year old straight out of the AHL would be overly cheap, then again you seem to be in there with the salary of each player on the roster so maybe you can enlighten me? B) Notable exemptions from that list are Angel Nikolov & Sami Ryhanen, good job leaving those out because they don't fit your arguement. Anyway onto Bois, Good signing, does seem to fit the bill (tough winger) but I'm not buying that he's that much better than Kelsey Wilson. Pretty much identical in my view, apart from one statistic that I find interesting. Using the AHL as the barometer as this is where they have played most of their games: Bois: 409 Games - 133 points - 0.33PPG - 1124 pims (2.75 per game) Wilson: 374 Games - 106 points - 0.28PPG - 804 pims (2.15 per game) Nothing in that one really, Bois probably takes a few more penalties if I'm being picky. But when you get to +/-: Bois: 409 Games = -54 Wilson: 374 Games = -21 Now this leads me to believe that Bois could be a bit of a defensive liability, now I don't know maybe he just played for a rubbish team. They will have both played similar roles though on a checking/power line per say, just seems likely Kelsey was more defensively responsible. This becomes even more obvious comparing their Austrian stats, I admit this maybe a bit of a stretch as Bois played 138 games in Austria compared to Wilson's 52 but Bois scored at 0.55ppg and ended up with a -36 which is not as impressive as Wilson's 0.77ppg and +5. Maybe we did get offered Bois and maybe Corey turned him down because he wouldn't be a fit in the team dynamic we have this year (i.e. being defensively responsible). It's quite notable the change in Higgins game fromhis time in Belfast last year, I can't ever recall him backchecking for them like Corey's had him doing so far. Maybe Corey is looking for a more defensively responsible power forward like a Kelsey Wilson rather than rushing out to sign someone just to answer Belfast signing Westgarth like iit could be argued Sheffield have done here. Find the 'ex NHLer' PR quite laughable aswell, whilst it's factually correct it is rather misleading and I would've been quite disappointed had this guy been annnounced after that kind of hype. Now don't get me wrong he will certainly fill a role for Sheffield and will do a job for them, but from what I can see I'm not expecting him to be a world beater. Yes he may be the final piece to Sheffields jigsaw, then again they may have been better off going for someone potentially more defensively responsible and this signing might unbalance them. What would've been the point in signing this guy just because he's tough even though he might not've fit into what Corey is trying to acheive? If the right guy becomes available I'm sure he will be brought in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 16:58:23 GMT
I just don t think Corey is looking to improve the squad, i think NB has told him to make do with what he has unless someone has a serious injury (out for months etc)
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Post by Mozzy on Nov 19, 2014 17:17:19 GMT
I don't agree ftm. How many times have we signed the guy who was either injured or is a cheap Euro that lasts ten games if he's lucky. Just off the top of my head,Liscak,Golicic,Nemorovsky,Tvrdon,Lee,Parent and that's without even thinking for more than ten seconds. A) Parent isn't a Euro, also doubt he would be cheap seeing as he missed the majority of the 12-13 season (only 3 games played) but last year he played 36 AHL games. I very much doubt a 26 year old straight out of the AHL would be overly cheap, then again you seem to be in there with the salary of each player on the roster so maybe you can enlighten me? B) Notable exemptions from that list are Angel Nikolov & Sami Ryhanen, good job leaving those out because they don't fit your arguement. Anyway onto Bois, Good signing, does seem to fit the bill (tough winger) but I'm not buying that he's that much better than Kelsey Wilson. Pretty much identical in my view, apart from one statistic that I find interesting. Using the AHL as the barometer as this is where they have played most of their games: Bois: 409 Games - 133 points - 0.33PPG - 1124 pims (2.75 per game) Wilson: 374 Games - 106 points - 0.28PPG - 804 pims (2.15 per game) Nothing in that one really, Bois probably takes a few more penalties if I'm being picky. But when you get to +/-: Bois: 409 Games = -54 Wilson: 374 Games = -21 Now this leads me to believe that Bois could be a bit of a defensive liability, now I don't know maybe he just played for a rubbish team. They will have both played similar roles though on a checking/power line per say, just seems likely Kelsey was more defensively responsible. This becomes even more obvious comparing their Austrian stats, I admit this maybe a bit of a stretch as Bois played 138 games in Austria compared to Wilson's 52 but Bois scored at 0.55ppg and ended up with a -36 which is not as impressive as Wilson's 0.77ppg and +5. Maybe we did get offered Bois and maybe Corey turned him down because he wouldn't be a fit in the team dynamic we have this year (i.e. being defensively responsible). It's quite notable the change in Higgins game fromhis time in Belfast last year, I can't ever recall him backchecking for them like Corey's had him doing so far. Maybe Corey is looking for a more defensively responsible power forward like a Kelsey Wilson rather than rushing out to sign someone just to answer Belfast signing Westgarth like iit could be argued Sheffield have done here. Find the 'ex NHLer' PR quite laughable aswell, whilst it's factually correct it is rather misleading and I would've been quite disappointed had this guy been annnounced after that kind of hype. Now don't get me wrong he will certainly fill a role for Sheffield and will do a job for them, but from what I can see I'm not expecting him to be a world beater. Yes he may be the final piece to Sheffields jigsaw, then again they may have been better off going for someone potentially more defensively responsible and this signing might unbalance them. What would've been the point in signing this guy just because he's tough even though he might not've fit into what Corey is trying to acheive? If the right guy becomes available I'm sure he will be brought in.
Danny Bois wasn't picked up because of Westgarth. We had Pascal Morency who was going to fill that role until he had to retire due to injury. We've replaced Morency with Bois, nothing to do with answering the signing of Westgarth.
But he does bring toughness to the team, somebody that will go with the other tougher guys in the league if required. It's obvious in the games we've played so far against Cardiff etc that they felt quite safe that we had nobody that could answer the call, not the case now.
As for being defensively responsible, many of our squad this year is just that. Nobody in this league works both ends of the ice better than Tyler Mosienko. Even the top line of Roy, Fretter and Forney know how to play in their own end of the ice. We fell apart in one game at the NIC but our defensive record is every bit as good as yours. We have the more explosive forwards, hence the goal scoring record of the two teams. I'm not concerned about whether Bois is great in his own end of the ice, he'll keep other teams honest and that is the but we were missing.
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Post by Mozzy on Nov 19, 2014 17:20:25 GMT
I don't agree ftm. How many times have we signed the guy who was either injured or is a cheap Euro that lasts ten games if he's lucky. Just off the top of my head,Liscak,Golicic,Nemorovsky,Tvrdon,Lee,Parent and that's without even thinking for more than ten seconds. A) Parent isn't a Euro, also doubt he would be cheap seeing as he missed the majority of the 12-13 season (only 3 games played) but last year he played 36 AHL games. I very much doubt a 26 year old straight out of the AHL would be overly cheap, then again you seem to be in there with the salary of each player on the roster so maybe you can enlighten me? B) Notable exemptions from that list are Angel Nikolov & Sami Ryhanen, good job leaving those out because they don't fit your arguement. Anyway onto Bois, Good signing, does seem to fit the bill (tough winger) but I'm not buying that he's that much better than Kelsey Wilson. Pretty much identical in my view, apart from one statistic that I find interesting. Using the AHL as the barometer as this is where they have played most of their games: Bois: 409 Games - 133 points - 0.33PPG - 1124 pims (2.75 per game) Wilson: 374 Games - 106 points - 0.28PPG - 804 pims (2.15 per game) Nothing in that one really, Bois probably takes a few more penalties if I'm being picky. But when you get to +/-: Bois: 409 Games = -54 Wilson: 374 Games = -21 Now this leads me to believe that Bois could be a bit of a defensive liability, now I don't know maybe he just played for a rubbish team. They will have both played similar roles though on a checking/power line per say, just seems likely Kelsey was more defensively responsible. This becomes even more obvious comparing their Austrian stats, I admit this maybe a bit of a stretch as Bois played 138 games in Austria compared to Wilson's 52 but Bois scored at 0.55ppg and ended up with a -36 which is not as impressive as Wilson's 0.77ppg and +5. Maybe we did get offered Bois and maybe Corey turned him down because he wouldn't be a fit in the team dynamic we have this year (i.e. being defensively responsible). It's quite notable the change in Higgins game fromhis time in Belfast last year, I can't ever recall him backchecking for them like Corey's had him doing so far. Maybe Corey is looking for a more defensively responsible power forward like a Kelsey Wilson rather than rushing out to sign someone just to answer Belfast signing Westgarth like iit could be argued Sheffield have done here. Find the 'ex NHLer' PR quite laughable aswell, whilst it's factually correct it is rather misleading and I would've been quite disappointed had this guy been annnounced after that kind of hype. Now don't get me wrong he will certainly fill a role for Sheffield and will do a job for them, but from what I can see I'm not expecting him to be a world beater. Yes he may be the final piece to Sheffields jigsaw, then again they may have been better off going for someone potentially more defensively responsible and this signing might unbalance them. What would've been the point in signing this guy just because he's tough even though he might not've fit into what Corey is trying to acheive? If the right guy becomes available I'm sure he will be brought in. Also, where is the hype about being ex NHL??? I've not seen any from the club, they quietly announced it this morning and there is no hype about NHL in that press release......
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