nate24
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Post by nate24 on Sept 7, 2014 20:10:01 GMT
My unpopular opinion:
He is awesome, a real class above a lot of our guys and here in lies the problem.
I think if we don't bring in line mates who can play to that level or style it's a waste of money. It looks to me like bringing in the best guy rather than the right guy.
He doesn't pass a lot and looks frustrated, at the end of the Lukko game at home, he just sat there on the ice with a look of 'what have I got myself into' about him.
He's great and a real sign of what Corey tried to do but ultimately I feel he wasn't a fit for the rest of the team.
That being said he may rip it up against EIHL opponents but that wasn't the purpose of his signing.
Anyhow, that's just how I feel.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Sept 7, 2014 21:40:32 GMT
No doubt that he has got the ability. And probably it's true that if we signed some-one on the same wavelength we might have seen more end product. But if he's going to feel disheartened after playing in Amiens and against Lulea/Rauma, how is he going to feel after being run over by Chris Frank, or Nickerson, or having to play in the Cardiff tent ? I think he could make a difference to our league campaign, in the same way Ling did, but can we afford to keep him ?
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Post by nate24 on Sept 7, 2014 22:07:30 GMT
We can't afford to keep him. He is short term, no secret about that. There is a chance, though speculative on my part, his contract may not involve EIHL games.
He's showcasing his talent for a contract in a bigger pond and may not want to risk that getting injured in the domestic competition.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 8, 2014 2:01:37 GMT
We've not been helped offensively by missing Mark Lee, hopefully he'll be back for Hamburg.
For Robinson though, I've never been a huge fan of the too good for his linemates argument. When he signed someone posted a YouTube compilation of him, lots of good stick handling and smooth skating, but not a ton of goals or assists on show. I think we've seen what we were likely to get from him. His stats in better leagues than ours, where he'll play with better players, don't suggest a point machine tbh.
Not having a go at him there, just think he's probably doing what he always does, from my limited knowledge of his career to date. Lukko and Lulea are a step up for him too.
It'll be interesting to see who plays next week, we might be short enough to not have to make a decision, but could have a "regular" dropped for a CHL plug in.
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Post by longjohn33 on Sept 8, 2014 7:40:35 GMT
I have heard there a few on month to month contracts, Robinson being one of them . Heard he is off to germany very soon
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 7:43:06 GMT
We've not been helped offensively by missing Mark Lee, hopefully he'll be back for Hamburg. For Robinson though, I've never been a huge fan of the too good for his linemates argument. When he signed someone posted a YouTube compilation of him, lots of good stick handling and smooth skating, but not a ton of goals or assists on show. I think we've seen what we were likely to get from him. His stats in better leagues than ours, where he'll play with better players, don't suggest a point machine tbh. Not having a go at him there, just think he's probably doing what he always does, from my limited knowledge of his career to date. Lukko and Lulea are a step up for him too. It'll be interesting to see who plays next week, we might be short enough to not have to make a decision, but could have a "regular" dropped for a CHL plug in. hope so! Play your BEST team !
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Post by Yotes on Sept 8, 2014 15:26:16 GMT
I have heard there a few on month to month contracts, Robinson being one of them . Heard he is off to germany very soon Would this be pre-Hamburg?
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Post by nate24 on Sept 8, 2014 15:35:30 GMT
I have heard there a few on month to month contracts, Robinson being one of them . Heard he is off to germany very soon Would this be pre-Hamburg? With his DEL history I wonder if he could end up at Hamburg!
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Post by fishman on Sept 8, 2014 17:39:26 GMT
What about the other CHL guys, what is the issue with Mark Lee , With other players that get injuries we sometime get info but with this guy not even a hint of what the problem is, and Cohen didn't look the top defender he was signed up to be, instead of 4 CHL players gone for 1 big impact player,
The 2 games Lukko and Lulea Robinson better than the rest but not outstanding and as for Cohen and Podlesak just look no better then long term contract players the 1 player playing above his standing is Mosley
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Post by nate24 on Sept 8, 2014 18:28:36 GMT
What about the other CHL guys, what is the issue with Mark Lee , With other players that get injuries we sometime get info but with this guy not even a hint of what the problem is, and Cohen didn't look the top defender he was signed up to be, instead of 4 CHL players gone for 1 big impact player, The 2 games Lukko and Lulea Robinson better than the rest but not outstanding and as for Cohen and Podlesak just look no better then long term contract players the 1 player playing above his standing is Mosley Cohen was injury relief ans Podlesak is on a trial deal.
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Post by grumpyminer on Sept 9, 2014 21:39:01 GMT
Robinson looked to me a lot like Petr Kalus and Matt Ryan last season. Able to do the fancy stickwork to carry the puck from one end to the other but unable to find a teammate with a pass....for whatever reason. It may be that the rest of the team are not at his level but then if he is THAT good, he would be able to adjust his game to play with his lower standard teammates. Just as David Ling did!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 9, 2014 21:42:40 GMT
Robinson looked to me a lot like Petr Kalus and Matt Ryan last season. Able to do the fancy stickwork to carry the puck from one end to the other but unable to find a teammate with a pass....for whatever reason. It may be that the rest of the team are not at his level but then if he is THAT good, he would be able to adjust his game to play with his lower standard teammates. Just as David Ling did! It took David Ling quite a few games to start to sparkle too to be fair.
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Post by grumpyminer on Sept 9, 2014 22:04:40 GMT
Robinson looked to me a lot like Petr Kalus and Matt Ryan last season. Able to do the fancy stickwork to carry the puck from one end to the other but unable to find a teammate with a pass....for whatever reason. It may be that the rest of the team are not at his level but then if he is THAT good, he would be able to adjust his game to play with his lower standard teammates. Just as David Ling did! It took David Ling quite a few games to start to sparkle too to be fair. Ling was brilliant in his first few games but didn't really fit as the team player. I recall he got a hat-trick against Dundee on his first league appearance. I missed that game, my dad told me all about it and I watched Ling closely after that and, in all honesty, I didn't think he was a star player. He looked lazy at times and frustrated, much like Robinson is at the moment, but Ling adapted his game to suit the players around him and became a Panthers legend in a single season. It probably took him two months! But that is the point I am making, Kalus and Ryan didn't adapt last season and we will never know if Robinson adjusts IF he is only on a short contract
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Post by iginla on Sept 9, 2014 22:46:13 GMT
Must say Robinson hasn't really impressed me that much.
Played nine games so far,ok four of them against serious quality teams but the other five against teams of probably similar quality to the better EIHL teams. And what points has he put up so far.......5 or 6 assists ?
For a former DEL all star forward who is still in his prime years,whichever way you look at it,it's not particularly good !
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Post by bill238 on Sept 9, 2014 23:03:55 GMT
Must say Robinson hasn't really impressed me that much. Played nine games so far,ok four of them against serious quality teams but the other five against teams of probably similar quality to the better EIHL teams. And what points has he put up so far.......5 or 6 assists ? For a former DEL all star forward who is still in his prime years,whichever way you look at it,it's not particularly good ! Robinson didn't play against ljubljana so has only played 7 games and I think I read somewhere he got kicked out of one of the games in France early on. For me in the 4 CHL games I have seen Robinson looks well above any of our current players, especially in the games against Lukko where he was running rings around some of their players. Its difficult to judge Robinson properly in the games against Lulea, even in the years when Robinson was a DEL all-star he wouldn't of been able to cut it against an SHL team, as the standard there is way above DEL. I honestly think from what I've seen he will tear teams in the EIHL apart, hopefully starting with Cardiff on Saturday. IMO though I don't think he will stay with the team for the full season as he still looks easily capable of playing in the DEL and would be surprised if he didn't get offers from teams there
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Post by iginla on Sept 9, 2014 23:38:14 GMT
I agree he is certainly a cut above our average player Bill,but he reminds me a lot of Petr Kalus. Give him the puck and for ten seconds he looks great,but for a player of his obvious pedigree there isn't enough end product.
It's interesting to look at the DEL teams in the CHL standings. It would seem though we give the DEL league too much credit,because of the six DEL teams in it four of them are bottom of their group and one who isn't is Hamburg,probably because they have got us in their group.
Hopefully Robinson will and should tear Cardiff apart on Saturday,we certainly need to win because if we don't after all this preparation and with so many extra games etc under our belts,we are going to look a little bit silly.
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Post by kgw on Sept 10, 2014 7:05:15 GMT
It's interesting to look at the DEL teams in the CHL standings. It would seem though we give the DEL league too much credit,because of the six DEL teams in it four of them are bottom of their group and one who isn't is Hamburg,probably because they have got us in their group. Cologne are second in Group A. Also, I think Hamburg would fair better against some of the teams in other groups, but it seems like most would struggle against Lulea and Lukko.
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 10, 2014 8:24:58 GMT
I agree he is certainly a cut above our average player Bill,but he reminds me a lot of Petr Kalus. Give him the puck and for ten seconds he looks great,but for a player of his obvious pedigree there isn't enough end product. It's interesting to look at the DEL teams in the CHL standings. It would seem though we give the DEL league too much credit,because of the six DEL teams in it four of them are bottom of their group and one who isn't is Hamburg,probably because they have got us in their group. Hopefully Robinson will and should tear Cardiff apart on Saturday,we certainly need to win because if we don't after all this preparation and with so many extra games etc under our belts,we are going to look a little bit silly. You would think that all the pre season games will have been good prep but I don't think we would look silly if we don't win. Cardiff have done their own prep and already have several games against EIHL opponents under their belts. It's not like they will be coming into the world famous NIC cold. Having said that despite our injuries I think we will win the game. Going to guess at 4-2 with big Bruce notching a brace.
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Post by oldman on Sept 15, 2014 16:33:32 GMT
Watched him sat night he is a good player but for me tries to beat one man too many at times,
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Post by johnebgood on Sept 15, 2014 18:40:01 GMT
That's exactly what I think Oldman, I watched him in France and he was the same. Iam just hoping that soon it's going to click for him and there will be no stoping him. It's as if he's trying too hard to impress, but he is a quality player, one I hope we can keep for a bit longer to see him at his best because what I have seen of the Panthers so far, going forward we can be very fast and lethal, the D is good and getting better, but like most fans have commented on is the lack of toughness is a worry
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Post by PantherG on Sept 15, 2014 19:33:42 GMT
I saw him for the first time in Saturday and he really stood out for me, thought he was a pleasure to watch and I'm sure he will be fantastic, but as he is short term I doubt we will have him much longer.
I'm not at all worried re the lack of toughness , the league is clamping down on these type of players and will be hit with long bans which is detrimental to the team, I certainly don't want another Henley.
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Post by kezypanther on Sept 15, 2014 21:35:11 GMT
Maybe he is on the wrong line ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but was he not on a line with Farmer and Lawrence. Imagine what he could do on a line with Benny and Graham. That line would be awesome. Lawrence has been the quietest so far but I think farmer has done well on that line.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Sept 16, 2014 6:41:02 GMT
Almost every time i took note of the lines that were out they were different, so i've got no idea.
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Post by dreadface on Sept 16, 2014 9:32:50 GMT
I would imagine that we would place Robinson on a line with Clarke once he is fit, think the 2 would be a perfect match.
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Post by fishman on Sept 16, 2014 9:47:08 GMT
Lets hope Clarke and Higgins are back soon, after all the pre Elite league fixtures first game the players in each line changed or was this my imagination, a win is a win but for me and the fans around me (block 10) a little bit disappointing, if panther do go back to CHL lines one would think Clarke for Podlesak, Higgins back in line 1 with Benedict, Greham, or put ? I think I've lost the plot, can anyone put me straight.
PP 0/8 what was that all about
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