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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2014 21:24:59 GMT
The timing is all about money saving Is that a fact, as in verifiable fact rather than made up fact? Link to source?
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Post by andrew1972 on Feb 13, 2014 22:23:49 GMT
His hockey was dull and boring and was never going to live up to the hype made in the summer.Is that Doug's fault? Yes, because he was part of that hype.
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Post by kezypanther on Feb 13, 2014 23:29:26 GMT
My guess for coach would be Adams or Cloutier. Teams don't tend to leave the league for a new coach.
Though a bad feeling inside me says they may try go for strachan.
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Post by spik on Feb 14, 2014 0:50:35 GMT
Yes, because he was part of that hype. andrew....I'm going to say something horrible and nasty and really really naughty about you. And your responsible because your part of it.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 14, 2014 7:38:19 GMT
Yes, because he was part of that hype. andrew....I'm going to say something horrible and nasty and really really naughty about you. And your responsible because your part of it. And that would be a valid comparison had DC not himself created much of the hype but..... Seems he was happy to build it from day one.
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Post by sameagain on Feb 14, 2014 8:12:29 GMT
No suprise, at times on wednesday it was like watching the Caps play.
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Post by Shaggy on Feb 14, 2014 8:24:47 GMT
No suprise, at times on wednesday it was like watching the Caps play. What - outnumbered, outclassed but full of guts for the full 60 minutes?
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Post by panthertom93 on Feb 14, 2014 9:56:44 GMT
No suprise, at times on wednesday it was like watching the Caps play. Never. I didn't think there was a chance we'd lose the game
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Post by malsbloke on Feb 14, 2014 11:24:05 GMT
Dave Whistle anyone ?
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Post by andrew1972 on Feb 14, 2014 13:10:39 GMT
Yes, because he was part of that hype. andrew....I'm going to say something horrible and nasty and really really naughty about you. And your responsible because your part of it. Fair play!!
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Post by Lawman on Feb 14, 2014 14:05:49 GMT
If Sheffield had won on Wednesday they would not have sacked big doug, panic sacking in my view.
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Post by panthertom93 on Feb 14, 2014 16:47:50 GMT
If Sheffield had won on Wednesday they would not have sacked big doug, panic sacking in my view. Exactly my view. Change the scoreline to 5-3 to Sheffield and it's a different outlook. Question though...had Kalus not scored that 5th with 6 seconds to go...anyone think they'd have kept Doug for at least the 2nd leg? Would 4-3 have been a "maybe we can do this" situation and the 5th goal so late was a killer blow?
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Post by tessier26 on Feb 14, 2014 17:19:18 GMT
Though a bad feeling inside me says they may try go for strachan. I don't think Rick Strachan is the sort of man who has the character to leave us and join a club like Sheffield with no morals and hardly a scrap of integrity. He just seems like too much of a good guy to me to do that.
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Post by Pies on Feb 14, 2014 19:10:57 GMT
People forget Strachans wife works for us as well and Strachs is a decent coach but if he went to Sheffield, would he have the contacts to find players they deemed worthy?
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Post by andrew1972 on Feb 14, 2014 19:34:46 GMT
If Sheffield had won on Wednesday they would not have sacked big doug, panic sacking in my view. Well blow me.......when was the last time you saw a coach get the sack after winning a game?? Of course he wouldn't but it wouldn't have been much later if performances and results had not improved.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 19:36:41 GMT
I've written a piece for TCW regarding Doug's sacking. Reasons to be GratefulI'd welcome comments on the article, it's the first one I've written in a while!
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Post by andrew1972 on Feb 14, 2014 19:37:55 GMT
If Sheffield had won on Wednesday they would not have sacked big doug, panic sacking in my view. Exactly my view. Change the scoreline to 5-3 to Sheffield and it's a different outlook. Question though...had Kalus not scored that 5th with 6 seconds to go...anyone think they'd have kept Doug for at least the 2nd leg? Would 4-3 have been a "maybe we can do this" situation and the 5th goal so late was a killer blow? Yeah....you're right again. If we'd have won 5-3 then Doug probably would still be in a job. Because, as I've just said who sacks a coach after winning? But lose against Cardiff on Sunday then you on Tuesday Doug would still have been shown the door. I think Tony Smith states clearly enough in his interview that this decision has been coming for a while. It just needed a catalyst and the result against you was it.
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Post by andrew1972 on Feb 14, 2014 19:44:35 GMT
I've written a piece for TCW regarding Doug's sacking. Reasons to be GratefulI'd welcome comments on the article, it's the first one I've written in a while! Very good article Jono. Just one point to pick up on. You seem to talk about stability is what is needed. Correct, but stability with the right man in charge. Having stability guarantees nothing, you've been very lucky that your owners patience with CN paid off but that decision was a gamble when it was made. Nobody at that time knew that CN would go on to do such a good job. Just because your boss gives you time does not automatically guarantee you will be successful. If the boss is not confident he has the right man to give him time, then he has to go and he has to find the right man. The ball is now very firmly in the court of Tony Smith. You won a trophy in CN's 2nd year, followed by two more the year after. Very easy to give someone time when you have a piece of silverware in your cabinet.
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Feb 14, 2014 19:47:11 GMT
Its interesting that people talk about Rick Strachan going to Shefffield. I don't think he'd go in anycase Ok he used to be the GB coach and he did coach at Hull Stingrays - so I think going to Sheffield would be a step backwards.
Let's get the weekend over and the dust settle and see what happens. It may give people to get a greater understanding besides winning the league and have an entertaining team that Sheffield are looking for.
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Feb 14, 2014 20:58:43 GMT
Was really surprised at the release of Doug as coach of the steelers, Like many people have said already he has won trophies in this league and last season had the chance to win two but we stepped in and said No you don't and won the slam.
He his one heck of a coach and built Belfast into a very strong title winning Ice Hockey team from scratch. I do believe that the source of the problem is the core of Sheffield themselves and the owners backing a chosen man. I mean look at the mid 90's, sheffield was beating us up left, right and center.
Now Sheffield to me don't have a leader in the dressing or the board room. It would be interesting to see who takes the reigns of the wild untamed team. My bet is possibly Gerald Adams or even someone like Coultier from Hull.
I guess Sheffield will be a bridesmaid team behind the likes of us, Belfast and dare I say it Braehead.
It won't be long to see DC back in coaching wherever that may be as he will be tough to beat that is a promise
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Post by doug on Feb 15, 2014 12:07:48 GMT
I've written a piece for TCW regarding Doug's sacking. Reasons to be GratefulI'd welcome comments on the article, it's the first one I've written in a while! Very good article Jono. Just one point to pick up on. You seem to talk about stability is what is needed. Correct, but stability with the right man in charge. Having stability guarantees nothing, you've been very lucky that your owners patience with CN paid off but that decision was a gamble when it was made. Nobody at that time knew that CN would go on to do such a good job. Just because your boss gives you time does not automatically guarantee you will be successful. If the boss is not confident he has the right man to give him time, then he has to go and he has to find the right man. The ball is now very firmly in the court of Tony Smith. You won a trophy in CN's 2nd year, followed by two more the year after. Very easy to give someone time when you have a piece of silverware in your cabinet. Just have to disagree Andrew, because if you are able to read posts from a few years ago I always defended Neilson and wrote on more than one occasion that I thought Panthers should definitely stick with him, this at a time when fans were calling for his head. Unfortunately for Steelers I was proved right!
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Post by spik on Feb 15, 2014 17:32:49 GMT
IF only Sheffield knew what consistency was. I bet Baking and their pies at half time footy matches are different to everyone else's. Whilst they believe that NOT giving a coach a second season.Because success it HAS to happen in the first season. We have nothing to fear on this score.
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Post by Shorty on Feb 15, 2014 17:55:28 GMT
I think its rather strange that they let the assistant coach go to Coventry, if they new DC would be at the club much longer, unless of course they believed both of them were not doing the right job.
Im curious to see who will be bench coach on Tuesday night, but with them carrying a spare import, I guess it will be them.
Where's Neil Abel now?
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Post by spik on Feb 15, 2014 22:44:47 GMT
At a good club , in a position as such he has earning a crust and with the wife employed....why would Strachan move anywhere?
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Post by andrew1972 on Feb 16, 2014 1:42:05 GMT
At a good club , in a position as such he has earning a crust and with the wife employed....why would Strachan move anywhere? To be fair, why would we want him?? He seems to have a done a decent job counteracting Nielson's run and gun style over the last few years. But when he was head coach at Hull, they were as dull as dishwater to watch. Nielson and Strachan compliment each other perfectly. Strachan on his own, not for me.
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