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Post by 5+game on Jan 8, 2012 0:22:34 GMT
wondering why Heerema getting so much flack on here - he was better than Fox by some way.. Fox tried his moves at the wrong times, gave up far too easily every time they didn't work (which was every time) and made too many blind passes. he's getting alot of bashing because he just isnt performing week in week out.
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Post by jaffacake on Jan 8, 2012 0:31:28 GMT
OK first Carson, joke of a ref as usual, both fights were instigated by Cardiff no 2+10 which would have evened things up, also as stated already he wasnt bad just several important decisions which swayed the result in the end (bit like the sheffield game that he robbed from belfast). No penalty on the play then devils scored on the same move to go ahead. 2+2 penalty with 10 mins to go for the winner handed the points to devils etc... As for the game, panthers were duped with a smash and grab performance from the devils, we dropped to their level rather than play the passing game we dropped to dumping and not chasing, poor passing, poor linechanging not enough oooommmphhh from several key players and it is obvious they are better at the checking game and sneaking a win on the break. Well done by the devils but the panthers should have overwhelmed them and didnt. Very poor effort from the team and it was clear the tactics just werent correct blame aimed squarely at the coach who also had a very poor game too... Not sure if this means the league title shot is gone but other teams really do need to put in performances seen against the panthers against both steelers and giants (not roll over as they have done so far this season) and need to take regulation points off them, fraid this just isnt happening, whether its down to refs (ie carson when in sheffield) or just not turning up to play (ie cov in sheff) i cant say but it just isnt happening and without this then panthers season really will be gone. Cant afford now to lose more than a couple of games, personally cant see that happening.. The fights may have been instigated by Frank but , especially with the first one , it began with a Panther players actions. Lee's check to the head and Lepine's high stick on G which resulted in his teeth going through his lip. I didnt see the high stick but Frank obviously took exception to it as him and Lepine dropped the gloves at the same time he couldnt have been charged for instigation. As for the comment about being duped by our way of playing i think the Panthers performance is due to Neilson before the game saying to his team ''Devils out three big players, this will be a walkover'' and the Panthers coming out with the same attitude. I thought we would have been slaughtered tonight but was delighted by the way we played, chasing down the puck and just not giving up. Hopefully Max and Matzka are back tomorrow .
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Post by jambros1 on Jan 8, 2012 0:36:50 GMT
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Terry Kurtenbach
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Post by 5+game on Jan 8, 2012 0:48:16 GMT
Gerad Adams got sticked in the face hence the blood pouring from his face. Blood on Frank was Adams not his. so why did frank go down the tunnel to get stitched up then and how the hell did Adams blood get on to frank unless they were having a kiss and cuddle and i missed it.
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Post by jd on Jan 8, 2012 0:50:45 GMT
Lepine battered Frank hence the blood
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Post by robbo2306 on Jan 8, 2012 1:16:28 GMT
Why do you guy's keep saying it's Sheffield that need to lose? Belfast are the team at the top not us, it's them you are chasing. Too much concentration on what Sheffield are doing and not enough on your own game. Far too early to be chucking the towel in. But, you simply cannot have too many more slip ups. Lose tomorrow in Cardiff and you may well be too far behind the 8 ball. Because Belfast are 5 points ahead of us and Sheffield are 4 behind with 6 games in hand. Surely then, basic maths shows that we need sheff to slip up more times in their remaining games than Belfast. But Belfast are above both of us. We would have to win nearly all our games in hand to go above them. So whilst your busy worrying about our games in hand, Belfast are quietly pulling away. As I said before, it doesn't matter where either of us end up if Belfast finish 1st. There's no glory in finishing 2nd.
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Post by sambo79 on Jan 8, 2012 2:21:16 GMT
What did the Devils fans do? They create an atmosphere? Tut tut tut It's been mentioned before that Cardiff create a much better vibe than us. It's embarrassing. Even at the playoffs. Sad
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Mark
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Post by Mark on Jan 8, 2012 2:34:03 GMT
The most important thing tonight was the Panthers getting McAslan on the ice. They didn't seem to give much thought to beating the Devils who were three imports down and won on the back of fifteen shots.
Well done on McAslan though, got to get one's priorities right.
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Post by oldman on Jan 8, 2012 2:51:08 GMT
you can blame Carson you can blame Corey
but we lost because the whole team was rubbish compared to recent games, no urgency in the passing or movement, never tried to move Lyle and gave away some horrendous goals to on the night the better team!
Lick our wounds move on or go for Cage Meltdown the sequel.
Your choice!
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Post by misstigz74 on Jan 8, 2012 5:42:02 GMT
I thought it was the Clan supporters that usually make the most noise with the smallest travelling fans lol I remember being there at the playoffs and our team weren't even playing and we STILL made more noise than the panthers!! You need to support your team vocally as YOU ARE the EXTRA Player to boost them up....if you can't be bothered to shout and get behind them when you are down a couple of goals.....How do you expect them to get a buzz for knowing the moral support is behind them!! Clan have more songs than you as well.....all we hear is We Are Nottingham and Let's Go Panthers !The Challenge is to get shouting and singing for your team and let the team provide the passion to win for a crowd that supports them 110% makes it a better atmosphere for everybody!! #Bannister's Purple Army :-) see you all next week yerharrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!
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Post by Cookies on Jan 8, 2012 8:02:18 GMT
I thought it was the Clan supporters that usually make the most noise with the smallest travelling fans lol I remember being there at the playoffs and our team weren't even playing and we STILL made more noise than the panthers!! You need to support your team vocally as YOU ARE the EXTRA Player to boost them up....if you can't be bothered to shout and get behind them when you are down a couple of goals.....How do you expect them to get a buzz for knowing the moral support is behind them!! Clan have more songs than you as well.....all we hear is We Are Nottingham and Let's Go Panthers !The Challenge is to get shouting and singing for your team and let the team provide the passion to win for a crowd that supports them 110% makes it a better atmosphere for everybody!! #Bannister's Purple Army :-) see you all next week yerharrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! I admire your positivity, but feel you're being a bit naive and lecturing longstanding supporters on how to be a fan when you've only been around 5 minutes as a club won't do you any favours on here. Remember who pays your players wages
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Post by Cookies on Jan 8, 2012 8:13:22 GMT
A good game of hockey and a clinical display by the Devils, they played a good road game and punished every mistake we made.
Much like the last home loss to Coventry, we made poor defensive errors, bad turnovers, poor passing, bad positioning, Dmen pinching in at the wrong time and someone really needs to sit Stevie Lee down and tell him to play his position, instead of going for a big hit on the boards and giving up an odd man rush.
I've said since the start of the season I wish we had 4 import Dmen, as Neilson, Wilson, Lepine aren't good enough defensively to only have 3. Lepine should be the 4th import Dman, with Neilson and two quality Dmen as our first choice pair. I'm delighted to see Macca back and he was our best player last night, but scoring goals isn't our weakness, the defense is. Once again we've failed to strengthen the right area and show we're serious about the league.
The buck for that stops with CN and GM. Are they more interested in titles or shirt sales and bums on seats?
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Post by Cookies on Jan 8, 2012 8:18:42 GMT
Just to add, I'm already miffed about only one of the Belfast back to back home games being on the season ticket. Which is the reason why I refuse to pay to watch Braehead in the cup next weekend, even with a discount for season ticket holders. It's a con.
Last night did not improve my disposition one bit!
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Post by steelermuppet on Jan 8, 2012 8:28:02 GMT
I thought it was the Clan supporters that usually make the most noise with the smallest travelling fans lol I remember being there at the playoffs and our team weren't even playing and we STILL made more noise than the panthers!! You need to support your team vocally as YOU ARE the EXTRA Player to boost them up....if you can't be bothered to shout and get behind them when you are down a couple of goals.....How do you expect them to get a buzz for knowing the moral support is behind them!! Clan have more songs than you as well.....all we hear is We Are Nottingham and Let's Go Panthers !The Challenge is to get shouting and singing for your team and let the team provide the passion to win for a crowd that supports them 110% makes it a better atmosphere for everybody!! #Bannister's Purple Army :-) see you all next week yerharrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! I admire your positivity, but feel you're being a bit naive and lecturing longstanding supporters on how to be a fan when you've only been around 5 minutes as a club won't do you any favours on here. Remember who pays your players wages Yeah but she's right. That arena could be so intimidating if your fans were as loud as some of the travelling support. I've been with sheff travelling before and we have out chanted you. Even when you thrashed us at Christmas I think over all we were louder and at home the tin shed can me like a grave sometimes! I really thought it would be us and Nottingham fighting out the league title this year. I hope it is it's more exciting so pick your form back up guys!
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Post by LooseChippings on Jan 8, 2012 8:39:25 GMT
Don't you just hate it when teams roll over to assist the Steelers.
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Post by Cookies on Jan 8, 2012 9:55:15 GMT
Don't you just hate it when teams roll over to assist the Steelers. You can do better. Here's hoping you don't go bust... Again.
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Post by gazg on Jan 8, 2012 10:12:24 GMT
That is quite clearly Gerad Adams removed top lip, stuck to Franks head hence the bleeding............ In all seriousness though it does look like a cut that was already there and has simply been re opened.
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Post by Panthers_44 on Jan 8, 2012 10:25:25 GMT
That is quite clearly Gerad Adams removed top lip, stuck to Franks head hence the bleeding............ In all seriousness though it does look like a cut that was already there and has simply been re opened.
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Post by gazg on Jan 8, 2012 10:30:55 GMT
Surely you can see i'm joking? Deary me.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jan 8, 2012 10:33:11 GMT
Woeful. What has happened to PK? We are chasing the puck out to the boards (as we did against Blaze) and leaving ourselves wide open centre-ice. Cardiff showed us how to PK. Hold position, watch the clock go down, then pounce and break when the opportunity arises. (Lost 2 goals on PK last night, and wasn't in 4 against Clan?)
PP was tragic. There was one (maybe more?) where we didn't even get a shot away. Credit to Devils keeping it tight, but we were awful.
5on5 - Lost count how many times we ended up with 3 players within about 2m of each other battling behind Devils net. When we lost the puck, those 3 were then behind the play, playing catch up, as Devils broke. And countless times of simply hitting the puck into their zone for a 50-50 chase. Devils played passes, clinical cutting passes, that put us to shame. We did have a few glimpses from McAslan, Heerema and even Danny - but too few to plaudit. BBT=small rink, NIC=big rink, we should have opened them up and split them apart at the NIC.
Generally i thought the players battled hard, but most of the time it was to regain the puck that we had chucked into nowhere-land. Bad tactic. Wasted energy. Good goals by McAslan and especially so DAB.
Corey and Strachs really do need to look at the dvds of the games against Devils, Clans and Blaze. IMO they were games we threw away tactically.
Tonight, can we beat Devils in Cardiff - well, yes we can ... but also we could lose it. I think we have a good set of players who want to do a job, but tactics have to be right choices for the players, right choices for the arena, and right choices against the opposition in front of them. Until PK is sorted out - stay out of the box.
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Post by Panthers_44 on Jan 8, 2012 10:40:56 GMT
Surely you can see i'm joking? Deary me. Then surely the post wouldn't matter?
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Post by robbo2306 on Jan 8, 2012 11:02:21 GMT
A good game of hockey and a clinical display by the Devils, they played a good road game and punished every mistake we made. Much like the last home loss to Coventry, we made poor defensive errors, bad turnovers, poor passing, bad positioning, Dmen pinching in at the wrong time and someone really needs to sit Stevie Lee down and tell him to play his position, instead of going for a big hit on the boards and giving up an odd man rush. I've said since the start of the season I wish we had 4 import Dmen, as Neilson, Wilson, Lepine aren't good enough defensively to only have 3. Lepine should be the 4th import Dman, with Neilson and two quality Dmen as our first choice pair. I'm delighted to see Macca back and he was our best player last night, but scoring goals isn't our weakness, the defense is. Once again we've failed to strengthen the right area and show we're serious about the league. The buck for that stops with CN and GM. Are they more interested in titles or shirt sales and bums on seats? I'd agree with you there Cookies. Going with just 3 import D each season is part of your downfall and something Corey just doesn't seem to want to move away from. Also, as you have suggested, whilst Lepine is a great enforcer type player, he plays in the wrong position to do this with only 3 imports on D. He's also not the best D man in the world. Your season is no way over but Belfast are creating a gap at the top again that is going to be difficult to overcome as the games start to run out.
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Post by patch9495 on Jan 8, 2012 11:05:35 GMT
The team was poor, Carson was poor. Miffed about missing the first goal due to brahead cc tickets, but that has been dealt with so I won't go there. I think benedict was quality last night and maybe DAB but the rest of the team were way off the mark.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 8, 2012 11:20:22 GMT
Why do people insist on going on about the number of import D-men? That's not the problem... just because a D-man is an import does not automatically mean he's going to be better than a Brit. How many import D-men have we had that couldn't match up to Danny Meyers? Or Steve Lee? According to many people on this very forum over the years, a lot. How many times have we had more import D and still failed?
Any problems with the D lie in 2 areas:- - individual level... either the player is having an off night or is just not up to the job (we've heard plenty of criticism about individual performances from all of our import D this season, haven't we?) - team level... either the tactics are wrong, or the team as a whole are not executing them correctly.
Hands up anyone who truly believes that just having one extra import D-man would save our season? Honestly?
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Post by texpef on Jan 8, 2012 11:36:53 GMT
Sorry shaggy but Danny and Steve along with the imports had poor games last night what we needed was a steady ship at the back last night someone like Kirtenbach but the imports (and brits) were headless chickens especially on the pp. I personally think if we did have another Dman import who could perform like stephenson is in sheffield (and from their own fans mouths he is holding their defence together) then it would make a huge difference. As said last night cardiff scored 4 goals from 15 shots how poor is that. What did panthers have even being so poor? 35 shots? and could only score a couple it wasnt that lyle was world class either just very poor shooting.
Got to take issue with this too:-
The fights may have been instigated by Frank but , especially with the first one , it began with a Panther players actions. Lee's check to the head and Lepine's high stick on G which resulted in his teeth going through his lip. I didnt see the high stick but Frank obviously took exception to it as him and Lepine dropped the gloves at the same time he couldnt have been charged for instigation.
First according to the replay Lee was nowhere near a check to the head the player ducked and as for adams (and he has had it coming for years) the check again was nowhere near his head imho he fell and cut himself poor effort from him to try to draw a penalty that wasnt there and therefore the fights were clearly instigated by Cardiff and an instigated 2+10 penalty should be given as it was last week..... Twice... In fact if we are being picky frank was 3rd man in to Lee so should have had a 5+game but hey ho...
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