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Post by PantherTom on Dec 13, 2011 20:21:28 GMT
I would like to see what he actually did anyone have any video footage of this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 20:33:16 GMT
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Post by PantherTom on Dec 13, 2011 21:11:20 GMT
Cheers Jono that's bloody mental!! Looking at a 2 year ban there
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Post by Dunk B on Dec 13, 2011 21:39:19 GMT
I would like to see what he actually did anyone have any video footage of this? Do you mean at the end of the game with the ref?
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Post by 5+game on Dec 13, 2011 22:02:51 GMT
Cheers Jono that's bloody mental!! Looking at a 2 year ban there didnt look that bad to me, he only smashed his stick against the glass he didn actuly hit carson. im sure he will get more than the one game he has allready served but i cant see it being any more tham 3 games
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Post by Doom on Dec 13, 2011 22:15:48 GMT
didnt look that bad to me, he only smashed his stick against the glass he didn actuly hit carson. im sure he will get more than the one game he has allready served but i cant see it being any more tham 3 games According to Zodi on Steeltalk he was watching Carson all the time and Clarke did make contact and hurt Carson. If that is the case and Carson reports it then Clarke has to get a long ban. Dave Simms was suggesting 15 - 20 games on Steelers Hockey tonight, but he did also mention that officials from Belfast were pushing for a 2 game ban. Regards Doom
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Post by Doughnut on Dec 13, 2011 22:33:58 GMT
Cheers Jono that's bloody mental!! Looking at a 2 year ban there didnt look that bad to me, he only smashed his stick against the glass he didn actuly hit carson. im sure he will get more than the one game he has allready served but i cant see it being any more tham 3 games The were playing Sheffield. He'll probably be gone for the season now
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Post by Doughnut on Dec 13, 2011 22:35:17 GMT
Dave Simms was suggesting 15 - 20 games lol he would ;D
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Post by iginla on Dec 13, 2011 22:43:23 GMT
A two game ban for doing that would be a total travesty Doom,players have had more than that for checking to another player,this is a referee.
If Clarke gets away with any less than 20 games he will be a very very lucky boy. If Brad Voth had done that he would have been fined,banned and sent home in disgrace by now.
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Post by Doughnut on Dec 13, 2011 22:56:18 GMT
What did he actually do? From that (pretty poor) video it looks like he was going after the Sheffield player and the ref got caught in the cross-fire.
Didn't someone bite a ref/linesman last year? What did they get for that?
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Post by PantherTom on Dec 13, 2011 23:00:51 GMT
Should be banned for 2 years like cairns was
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Post by 5+game on Dec 13, 2011 23:03:57 GMT
What did he actually do? From that (pretty poor) video it looks like he was going after the Sheffield player and the ref got caught in the cross-fire. Didn't someone bite a ref/linesman last year? What did they get for that? Campbel wasnt it, i think he was handed 20 games but then factored into that was the Sheffield discount which meant it was swept under the carpet and forgoten about.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 13, 2011 23:07:48 GMT
didnt look that bad to me, he only smashed his stick against the glass he didn actuly hit carson. im sure he will get more than the one game he has allready served but i cant see it being any more tham 3 games According to Zodi on Steeltalk he was watching Carson all the time and Clarke did make contact and hurt Carson. If that is the case and Carson reports it then Clarke has to get a long ban. Dave Simms was suggesting 15 - 20 games on Steelers Hockey tonight, but he did also mention that officials from Belfast were pushing for a 2 game ban. Regards Doom Just watched it a few times and slowed it down, and it looks like as clarke swings his stick he tries to stop himself and looses his ballance and slides into Carson which might be how he injures him. although the vid is so gash that its hard to tell properly.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 13, 2011 23:08:55 GMT
Should be banned for 2 years like cairns was Cairns was banned for life
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Post by Shorty on Dec 13, 2011 23:19:46 GMT
Didn't someone bite a ref/linesman last year? What did they get for that? Rabies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 4:35:08 GMT
Come on, this guy plays for Belfast , there won t be a ban of any sort !
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Post by Doom on Dec 14, 2011 8:10:35 GMT
What did he actually do? From that (pretty poor) video it looks like he was going after the Sheffield player and the ref got caught in the cross-fire. Didn't someone bite a ref/linesman last year? What did they get for that? It is difficult to tell from that exactly how bad it was. Zodi on Steeltalk stated that he was watching Carson all the time to make sure the goal was awarded and that Clarke did make contact and injured Carson. If that's how Carson also sees it then a big ban should be coming Clarkes way, because making physical contact like that with the referee is just about the biggest no no in sport. Where I'm sure I'm going to disagree with you folks is that i'd allow Belfast to bring in a replacement. To my mind the punishment should be on the player with perhaps a fine to the club for failing to control it's players. Long bans short change the supporters who have to watch short benched hockey. This week it's Belfast, next week it could be Nottingham and/or Sheffield. Regards Doom
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 14, 2011 8:36:13 GMT
Where I'm sure I'm going to disagree with you folks is that i'd allow Belfast to bring in a replacement. To my mind the punishment should be on the player with perhaps a fine to the club for failing to control it's players. Long bans short change the supporters who have to watch short benched hockey. This week it's Belfast, next week it could be Nottingham and/or Sheffield. You're damn right I disagree... on two fronts:- Firstly, that IIRC when Gui Lepine got a ban, we were told no replacement was allowed. Precedent has been set. Secondly, disciplinary judgements should not be made based upon what's entertaining for the fans. If a player has a long ban and that short-changes his team, that might help to make both him and his team-mates to think twice before trying something similar. That's the player's fault and the coach's fault... if their team suffers more as a result, well that's the price.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 14, 2011 8:46:13 GMT
Where I'm sure I'm going to disagree with you folks is that i'd allow Belfast to bring in a replacement. To my mind the punishment should be on the player with perhaps a fine to the club for failing to control it's players. Long bans short change the supporters who have to watch short benched hockey. This week it's Belfast, next week it could be Nottingham and/or Sheffield. You're damn right I disagree... on two fronts:- Firstly, that IIRC when Gui Lepine got a ban, we were told no replacement was allowed. Precedent has been set. Secondly, disciplinary judgements should not be made based upon what's entertaining for the fans. If a player has a long ban and that short-changes his team, that might help to make both him and his team-mates to think twice before trying something similar. That's the player's fault and the coach's fault... if their team suffers more as a result, well that's the price. 100% agree shaggy, the player and the team should both have to suffer for their misdemeaners. letting them bring in a replacement just undemindesthe whole essence of banning a player.
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Post by Doom on Dec 14, 2011 8:52:27 GMT
You're damn right I disagree... on two fronts:- Firstly, that IIRC when Gui Lepine got a ban, we were told no replacement was allowed. Precedent has been set. Secondly, disciplinary judgements should not be made based upon what's entertaining for the fans. If a player has a long ban and that short-changes his team, that might help to make both him and his team-mates to think twice before trying something similar. That's the player's fault and the coach's fault... if their team suffers more as a result, well that's the price. I thought somebody might mention Lepine. All because something has happened in a past season it doesn't automatically follow that should be the rule for ever more. Out of interest, if either David Clarke or Ashley Tait were to get a 20 game ban for attacking a referee would Sheffield/Nottingham be able to bring in Colin Shields if he was to become available? - In other words a like for like replacement to cover for a suspension. To my mind it's the player who has committed the crime and should serve the punishment, the club/supporters shouldn't suffer for a players hot headedness. Regards Doom
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Dec 14, 2011 8:53:21 GMT
IIRC When Jim Sheppard got banned for spearing we released him and his ban would stand with anyone who then signed him in the EIHL effectively ending his EIHL career but allowing us to sign a replacement, Bergin IIRC.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 14, 2011 9:33:29 GMT
You're damn right I disagree... on two fronts:- Firstly, that IIRC when Gui Lepine got a ban, we were told no replacement was allowed. Precedent has been set. Secondly, disciplinary judgements should not be made based upon what's entertaining for the fans. If a player has a long ban and that short-changes his team, that might help to make both him and his team-mates to think twice before trying something similar. That's the player's fault and the coach's fault... if their team suffers more as a result, well that's the price. I thought somebody might mention Lepine. All because something has happened in a past season it doesn't automatically follow that should be the rule for ever more. Out of interest, if either David Clarke or Ashley Tait were to get a 20 game ban for attacking a referee would Sheffield/Nottingham be able to bring in Colin Shields if he was to become available? - In other words a like for like replacement to cover for a suspension. To my mind it's the player who has committed the crime and should serve the punishment, the club/supporters shouldn't suffer for a players hot headedness. Regards Doom So Doom both yourselves and Belfast are carrying an extra import, are you saying that you could in effect send out King for example to target one of your rivals better players injur them long term. Accept the ban and for the juration of his ban just ice your extra import thus making any ban irrelevant to the team.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 14, 2011 9:41:50 GMT
IIRC When Jim Sheppard got banned for spearing we released him and his ban would stand with anyone who then signed him in the EIHL effectively ending his EIHL career but allowing us to sign a replacement, Bergin IIRC. Tis true, and if belfast were to do the same i would not have a problem. But whilst ever he isemployed by them then they should play an import down.
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Post by Doom on Dec 14, 2011 9:44:05 GMT
So Doom both yourselves and Belfast are carrying an extra import, are you saying that you could in effect send out King for example to target one of your rivals better players injur them long term. Accept the ban and for the juration of his ban just ice your extra import thus making any ban irrelevant to the team. Correct. Just like you could sign Andrew Sharpe, send him out to target one of your rivals better players and the ban would be irrelevant because you'd just bring in another Brit. Are we saying that a ban should only hurt a team if it's an import that carries out the crime? How do you punish the team if it's a Brit, because I'm assuming (maybe incorrectly) that additional Brits can be added to a squad? Regards Doom
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 14, 2011 9:46:40 GMT
Number of Brits on a roster is not restricted.
Number of imports is.
If an import gets a ban the team should play with the reduced number of imports for the length of the ban.
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