Milkman™
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Post by Milkman™ on Jun 23, 2011 21:30:56 GMT
Those of us who use our brains for more than just keeping our ears apart can see it's nothing like that... BP was a walking disaster, just like PR appears to be. Both as bad as each other? Lets not forget Darren Brown before that too
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Shaggy
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Post by Shaggy on Jun 23, 2011 21:38:00 GMT
Those of us who use our brains for more than just keeping our ears apart can see it's nothing like that... BP was a walking disaster, just like PR appears to be. Both as bad as each other? Lets not forget Darren Brown before that too Well, I wasn't confining it simply to Sheffield... but hey - Darren Brown, Norton "Mr Unpopular" Lea... the Steelers just lurch from one disaster to another. Ho hum... I remember saying when Paul Ragan bought the Steelers (and all up there were ecstatically predicting a glowing future for themselves) that there'd be a better-than-even chance they'd be lookng at new ownership again within 2 years. Maybe I gave them too much time...?
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Post by jd on Jun 23, 2011 21:53:14 GMT
Simmsey wont say anything, he only stirs up poo poo and then walks away, a story like this has facts and he cant cope with that
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Post by james1977 on Jun 23, 2011 22:01:46 GMT
Simmsey wont say anything, he only stirs up poo poo and then walks away, a story like this has facts and he cant cope with that There is also the issue that (I believe) he is (was?) employed by RinkCorp/PR. Perhaps DS the BS has lost his second job and will have to spend more time hawking shonky property whilst wearing a cheap suit?
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jun 24, 2011 6:32:04 GMT
Never mind the Sheffield Steelers Ice Hockey Club ..... what about his new baby - his precious Meadow Hall shop?
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Post by Pies on Jun 24, 2011 6:36:29 GMT
Apprantly Nottingham Panthers are one of the reasons teams can't afford to stay in the league. Quote: Bob Phillips:
"The panthers have been mostly responsible for driving wages up in the league. They have constantly paid more every year than any other club but they are cleverer than most in how they do it - but these times will change, in time."
I think he's basically saying "the nasty Panthers could afford to spend more than we could and when we tried to spend that sort of money, it left us bust."
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Post by jerome29 on Jun 24, 2011 6:40:44 GMT
You need to stop this by introdcing a points penalty like football.
Sheffield & Cardiff now start the league with a minus 15 points penalty
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Post by jayc on Jun 24, 2011 7:13:34 GMT
You know I get sick and tired of all this bull**** year in year out. Sheffield win the league, then get liquidised.....again. Cardiff just can't seem to gain any stabilty, which is disappointing. But, why do we (Panthers) always get dragged in to their arguments. I'll tell you why, because once again, we are the envy of the league. We have great loyal supporters that pay their good money to turn out every week whether the team is doing well or not. Why?? The efforts that go in to the marketing of our club is truly unbelievable when you compare it to our rival arena team. Where are all their supporters in Sheffield. The ship has sunken and they scarpered, maybe I can understand that to a certain extent. The Sheffield organisation start bleating about this excuse and that excuse, oh and then lets bring them down the road in to it. For once Sheffield, get your bloody house in order. You may have had the (we are) No.1 team last season, but your organisation stinks and is down there amongst the poorest. I'm sure I can recollect something Ragan said mid ice last season when Panthers played them. "We will run a better organised club" or words to that effect. I feel more sorry for Cardiff, because until they get a new and bigger arena, there's only so many that can get in at the moment, so I am a little more sympathetic to their cause. I just wish we could get away from this "mickey mouse" league where everyone seems to lay the blame elsewhere, without really looking closer to home
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Post by Shaggy on Jun 24, 2011 7:14:00 GMT
Apprantly Nottingham Panthers are one of the reasons teams can't afford to stay in the league. Quote: Bob Phillips: "The panthers have been mostly responsible for driving wages up in the league. They have constantly paid more every year than any other club but they are cleverer than most in how they do it - but these times will change, in time." I think he's basically saying "the nasty Panthers could afford to spend more than we could and when we tried to spend that sort of money, it left us bust." Isn't it amazing how other teams - Belfast, Cardiff, Coventry, Sheffield, etc - manage to bring in such good players themselves (Pelle, Hofmann, Calder, etc) and yet somehow they're apparently not over-spending? That there's always some other reason, some get-out clause that 'proves' that those teams are sticking to a respectable budget... and it's just us, the nasty nasty Panthers, who are over-spending? Bull.
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Post by Pies on Jun 24, 2011 7:21:20 GMT
Apprantly Nottingham Panthers are one of the reasons teams can't afford to stay in the league. Quote: Bob Phillips: "The panthers have been mostly responsible for driving wages up in the league. They have constantly paid more every year than any other club but they are cleverer than most in how they do it - but these times will change, in time." I think he's basically saying "the nasty Panthers could afford to spend more than we could and when we tried to spend that sort of money, it left us bust." Isn't it amazing how other teams - Belfast, Cardiff, Coventry, Sheffield, etc - manage to bring in such good players themselves (Pelle, Hofmann, Calder, etc) and yet somehow they're apparently not over-spending? That there's always some other reason, some get-out clause that 'proves' that those teams are sticking to a respectable budget... and it's just us, the nasty nasty Panthers, who are over-spending? Bull. Oh I wholeheartdly agree. Neil Black is apprantly going to have his name dragged through the mud by Bob now. All coming soon on the "Look at me, I'm Bob Phillips" blog. I honestly think that when it all goes wrong in Sheffeild, they find it easier to blame us than to look inwards at their own faults. Fact is alot (not all) of Steelers fans welcomed Ragan like the second coming of the Messiah. That game up in Shuff after he bought them he said "We'll keep Simon, we'll build this shop, you're futures safe" and then took a cheap shot at the Panthers. Well, I'm sure GM was smiling from ear to ear yesterday knowing that all the BS lasted less than 6 months before biting them on the arse.
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Post by lee on Jun 24, 2011 7:29:53 GMT
ridiculous that the league (ha ha) allow clubs to get away with this year on year, its about time there was a penalty put in place for clubs who do this.
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Post by rach09 on Jun 24, 2011 8:15:45 GMT
And second story on the local BBC breaksfast news is the liquidation of Rinkcorp, no wonder we can't attract a big league sponsor.
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Post by spik on Jun 24, 2011 8:59:11 GMT
What ever happened to 'bringing the sport into disrepute' The band wagon rolls on. If you don't laugh you'd have to cry. Going to really promote the sport and encourage sponsorship for other teams isn't it. A shambles as always, as will be.
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Post by doug on Jun 24, 2011 9:26:11 GMT
Lets not forget Darren Brown before that too Well, I wasn't confining it simply to Sheffield... but hey - Darren Brown, Norton "Mr Unpopular" Lea... the Steelers just lurch from one disaster to another. Ho hum... I remember saying when Paul Ragan bought the Steelers (and all up there were ecstatically predicting a glowing future for themselves) that there'd be a better-than-even chance they'd be lookng at new ownership again within 2 years. Maybe I gave them too much time...? Wrong Shaggy!! As selective as ever with your opinions I see. There is a (quite large) number of fans who saw him as being less than a provider of a "glowing future". Read the posts at the time on Steeltalk AND the Cage from Steeler's fans.
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Post by doug on Jun 24, 2011 9:37:02 GMT
In fact, read mine on Ben Simon thread (April 6). Love affair with Ragan thread (March 21). This will, I guarantee, lose us 500 fans again. My family have all but finished with it all after nearly 18 years.
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Post by Milkman™ on Jun 24, 2011 9:38:51 GMT
You need to stop this by introdcing a points penalty like football. Sheffield & Cardiff now start the league with a minus 15 points penalty Post of the off season. Bang on
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Post by Pies on Jun 24, 2011 9:56:46 GMT
You need to stop this by introdcing a points penalty like football. Sheffield & Cardiff now start the league with a minus 15 points penalty Post of the off season. Bang on Ragan would have his toys outta the pram with that one. Guarantee he'd be threatening to take em to the EPL within seconds.
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Post by jd on Jun 24, 2011 10:00:59 GMT
Good
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Post by ted logan on Jun 24, 2011 10:27:40 GMT
You need to stop this by introdcing a points penalty like football. Sheffield & Cardiff now start the league with a minus 15 points penalty Post of the off season. Bang on Totally Agree
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Post by lee on Jun 24, 2011 10:30:15 GMT
Post of the off season. Bang on Ragan would have his toys outta the pram with that one. Guarantee he'd be threatening to take em to the EPL within seconds. fine, let him take them to the EPL then see what happens to his profits as the attendances and sponsorships plummit!
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Post by Milkman™ on Jun 24, 2011 10:39:13 GMT
I just dont fathom what is gained from liquidating one company that runs 'both' teams to set up new ones that run each team individually.
Dodgy business practice indeed, and if I was a major sponsor I would be asking the same question.
I know its a far cry from bankruptcy, however the league allowing this to happen (Neil Black in particular) is giving the likes of PR a free rein to take the pi$$ out of the sport yet again.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 24, 2011 10:44:16 GMT
I just dont fathom what is gained from liquidating one company that runs 'both' teams to set up new ones that run each team individually. Gets him out of paying full value on monies owed presumably. Why anyone still deals with some of these hockey teams - 1 in particular - is beyond me.
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Post by KimThePanther on Jun 24, 2011 10:49:32 GMT
You need to stop this by introdcing a points penalty like football. Sheffield & Cardiff now start the league with a minus 15 points penalty I bet we still wouldn't win the league.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 24, 2011 10:52:00 GMT
Sheffield Steelers are to Ice Hockey what Newcastle United are to football.
A stinking rotten corpse of a club and a disgrace to the sport.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Jun 24, 2011 11:43:55 GMT
What a disgrace. The saviour of ice hockey in the UK does this. Once again the Sheffield Steelers organisation screw local companies. Stop hiding Simms - lets have your comments - your very quiet Throw both of them out of the league - let Ragan take them to the EPL. HL
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