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Post by richard1969 on Sept 17, 2011 6:20:46 GMT
A wagecap would never work as it is not transaparent
Capping the number of imports per team is the only thing that would work IMO (and I wouldnt be against ongoing that the bigger teams are forced to play with less import than the rest)
In addition you could cap the total number of players allowed in a squad
Both the above entirely transparent
Many on here I know would stop following the team if we were forced to play with lesser quality squads but I do share the concern that in time some of the lesser teams will just fall away if they are getting hammered every week and losing fans and money if nothing is done to try and even things out a bit
We would still have the best imports and GB players but at least we would be doing something to even things out
I see on another thread we are predicting the score of us v Fife Flyers and we will take great pride beating them badly when in reality there is no comparison between the two squads and it should be a non event
I put myself in the shoes of a Fife supporter and wonder what is the enjoyment watching your team play in a League that you cant compete in ?
And what do we achieve beating Fife heavily ? If you look at the comparitive squads what chance do they have ?
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Post by LUFC on Sept 17, 2011 6:56:22 GMT
I dont think it's that wages that are the sole cause of trouble. The housing costs, living etc. that much account to a fairly large % of some of these teams. Depending on the location of a team could also influence this. I know London Racers had massive issues with housing funding. Edinburgh isnt a cheap place to live.
Either way, it's not just the money spent on wages that need taking into account.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 17, 2011 7:35:13 GMT
I dont think it's that wages that are the sole cause of trouble. The housing costs, living etc. that much account to a fairly large % of some of these teams. Depending on the location of a team could also influence this. I know London Racers had massive issues with housing funding. Edinburgh isnt a cheap place to live. Either way, it's not just the money spent on wages that need taking into account. You're right, it's not... wages are, however, one of the largest costs that may be subject to manipulation. The difference in wage costs between a top-end player and a third-liner are generally much greater than the difference in housing costs for the two.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Sept 17, 2011 22:36:06 GMT
You can't have a wage cap when it suits your team. A 3 team league with Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast is not exactly my idea of fun. Regards Doom A 1 team league - namely Sheffield, because by the time EIHL goes to the wall Belfast and Nottingham will be plying their trade in ventures new beyond their shores - trust me! HL
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Post by sparkymark75 on Sept 17, 2011 22:46:19 GMT
Close the door on the way out.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 18, 2011 9:25:41 GMT
A 1 team league - namely Sheffield, because by the time EIHL goes to the wall Belfast and Nottingham will be plying their trade in ventures new beyond their shores - trust me! And then you woke up...
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 19, 2011 9:07:44 GMT
A 1 team league - namely Sheffield, because by the time EIHL goes to the wall Belfast and Nottingham will be plying their trade in ventures new beyond their shores - trust me! And then you woke up... Hey he said trust him. Must be in da no
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Sept 19, 2011 10:24:16 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 19, 2011 10:49:39 GMT
I don't normally miss a chance to have a pop at Sheffield but that just sounds like 2 cheap, convenient players on 2 ways.
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Sept 19, 2011 11:15:08 GMT
Import on a two way?!
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Post by Yotes on Sept 19, 2011 11:20:48 GMT
Reads like they'd play the Latvian guy occassionally but he'd still be with the Steeldogs.
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 19, 2011 11:21:49 GMT
Says in the article that he plays for the Steeldogs. Might just do a couple of games as injury cover. Edit: Beat me to it Yotes.
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Sept 19, 2011 12:01:03 GMT
Says in the article that he plays for the Steeldogs. Might just do a couple of games as injury cover. Edit: Beat me to it Yotes. Fair enough, didn't realise they could conceivably do that with the way ITC's work....
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 19, 2011 12:07:44 GMT
Says in the article that he plays for the Steeldogs. Might just do a couple of games as injury cover. Edit: Beat me to it Yotes. Fair enough, didn't realise they could conceivably do that with the way ITC's work.... I don't know how it works to be honest. Steelers probably don't know either. ;D
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Post by james1977 on Sept 19, 2011 12:20:39 GMT
Fair enough, didn't realise they could conceivably do that with the way ITC's work.... ITCs aren't held by teams, they are held for teams by national regulating bodies. In the case of the EPL and EIHL all ITCs are held by IHUK. The only issue for a player under an ITC moving between teams is one relating to the work permit required to work in the UK but since in this case it appears the players will stay with their original 'employer' (Steeldogs) and merely two-way with the lesser Sheffield team* then the work permit is unlikely to be an issue. *I couldn't help myself, hope any Steelers fans reading can understand.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Sept 19, 2011 15:55:01 GMT
A 1 team league - namely Sheffield, because by the time EIHL goes to the wall Belfast and Nottingham will be plying their trade in ventures new beyond their shores - trust me! And then you woke up... Wide awake shaggy me owd mucker and looking across the sea to a bright future HL
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Post by Heanor Lair on Sept 19, 2011 15:56:32 GMT
Trust me the door will be firmly closed HL
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Post by robbo2306 on Sept 19, 2011 16:53:02 GMT
I thought most people on here didn't believe a word written in "The Stir" so why different this time???
HL - you will never be playing in a european league, no matter how many "trust me's" you say.
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Post by andyh91 on Sept 19, 2011 21:04:41 GMT
id say we were spending money as we have to, we have King sarich squires stephenson playing injured and jon out for a while, so i think we need that extra player or two
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Post by texpef on Sept 20, 2011 8:22:33 GMT
need and can afford may be two different things....
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Post by Doom on Dec 5, 2011 20:01:04 GMT
You can't have a wage cap when it suits your team. I think it probably suits the rink teams more than my team. The concern I have is that eventually the rink teams will get fed up of trying to compete (and in many cases failing badly like Edinburgh) and call it a day in the EIHL (Basingstoke, Newcastle and Manchester already have). A 3 team league with Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast is not exactly my idea of fun. Coventry have often been held up as the example that rink teams can compete if managed well. My argument was that they came into the EIHL with a strong fanbase built on the back of success, but what would happen after a year or two of failure. Maybe last seasons failures are now starting to hurt them. To succeed we need a strong comptitive league, not just 2 or 3 teams head and shoulders above the rest, because the rest will eventually go elsewhere or just fold. The only way I can see the playing field being levelled is by some control over spending. Regards Doom Sadly it looks like my concerns are becoming reality. Regards Doom
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Post by james1977 on Dec 5, 2011 20:10:00 GMT
How about exercising 'self control' over spending?
If Neil Black could manage it with Panthers all those years ago I'm sure Ragan, Buxton and perhaps Smith could give it a try.
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Dec 6, 2011 7:04:06 GMT
How about exercising 'self control' over spending? If Neil Black could manage it with Panthers all those years ago I'm sure Ragan, Buxton and perhaps Smith could give it a try. Apparently it doesn't work like that any more and Panthers and Belfast with sound business models should be cut loose or made to drag their product down to a level that suits the lowest common denominator...
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Post by Doom on Dec 6, 2011 7:46:09 GMT
How about exercising 'self control' over spending? If Neil Black could manage it with Panthers all those years ago I'm sure Ragan, Buxton and perhaps Smith could give it a try. What exactly is self control? I would think the Coventry budget this season is no more than in the past, possibly even less and they've not had a problem before financially. The problem most clubs have is that attendances are results/performance driven and to some extent that is influenced by what other teams in the league do. Coventry got off to a poor start this season and as a result have seen a significant drop in their attendances. It seems that they made a decision to increase their budget (upgrade in defenceman and additional import) to try and improve performances. Unfortunately for Coventry the performances haven't improved, the crowds haven't increased and they've had to release Fulghum, probably to reduce spending. They now have the problem of whether to cut costs further, but that is likely to see a further dip in quality and a further reduction in crowds.....and so the downward spiral begins. The problem clubs like Coventry and those below them have is that two or three teams are spending substantially more than the rest, making it difficult to compete. Whilst this continues it's going to hurt their business. I personally think we're finally reaching a tipping point in the EIHL. When we hear of a previosly well managed club like Coventry in trouble, that probably means Hull are also in trouble and we know Cardiff can't compete financially. These clubs aren't going to want to continue to lose money just for the satisfaction of the arena clubs, they'll start to look at alternatives. Whether this means a new league without arena teams or greater control on the spending of arena teams only time will tell, but I think the news about Coventry should be more of a concern for Nottingham, Belfast and to a lesser extent Sheffield.....All 3 of us could be out in the cold if we're not careful. Regards Doom
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Post by koop11 on Dec 6, 2011 9:09:05 GMT
In times gone by the Elite League has managed to continue despite teams dropping out and joining up. The likes of Manchester, Cardiff, Basingstoke, London, (smaller clubs financially) have struggled. You can put it down to poor marketing, mismanagement, local politics or substandard facilities but the fact of the matter is that some clubs are not in the position others are blessed to be in. To date the Elite League has somehow managed this situation.
However, when a very successful club in Elite League era like Coventry announces that it is struggling to compete at this level then I think the league needs to urgently pay attention, especially as the same folk who own Coventry own Hull.
I appreciate that the bigger arena clubs like Nottingham do not like this but I think a drop in import and even a wage cap needs to be seriously considered. At this rate there will be no teams left for play the arena teams and you’re left with the farce that was the Superleague in its later days.
I understand Nottingham’s fans frustration when there is talk of wage caps and/or reducing import numbers but the financial climate is radically different to what is was a few years ago and is not likely to improve in the next several years as we head for a double dip recession. For many the Elite League today is unsustainable for a number of reasons. Watch this space.
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